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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 15:40:11 GMT -5
Which is the point I was trying to make it earlier Yankees are penny pinching because they don't want to go over that threshold knowing once they sign Judge, Sanchez, majority of the young guys to premium contracts, they are going to be f***ed paying penalties for a few years Teams are staying under that requirement for as long as possible because after 3 years of penalties I believe you are essentially paying $100 mill in penalties on top of your $200 mill plus payroll Somewhat similar to the NBA and how that has a salary cap and a hard cap and once you blow threw those you are f**ed. Gilbert paid a ton of money in his 4 years of LBJ return but he was able to get a portion back Yeah, even for the super rich, that's a lot of money to eat up unnecessarily. It's a salary cap in all but name. Yanks also had an albatross contract in Ellsbury on the books and now they have Stanton doing the same.
Though for the Yankees right now, it's more about years than pure money right now. For the reasons you mentioned and also because statistics tell you that the last years of these big long-term deals are f***ing terrible.
Yea, teams can spend the money but doesn't mean they want too and it is important to remember that each year you are over the cap you get hit harder and harder Yanks still got away cheap in the Stanton deal but that's a deal that will most likely haunt them especially the last 5 years. Teams are more comfortable giving up the AAV for a shorter term deal and these big deals along with the statistics is why MLB has been at a standstill. The scary thing for the Yankees is they owe Giancarlo $75 mill his last 3 years. At worst this is Ellsbury all over again except he has Cano type money on the books the Yanks had avoided the first time
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Post by sfvega on Dec 6, 2019 21:06:43 GMT -5
I've been saying collusion for a couple offseasons now. They weren't always this cheap, then all at once became misers about anyone who isn't a superstar. It's a mixture of several thing, analytics have made it where everyone thinks they can get production from guys who make no money. Most of the teams are owned by guys who run their teams like majorly profitable businesses above winning. In reality the star players should be making more than they do, the baseball revenue is skyrocketing from all of the media deals yet team payrolls aren't. It's easy for them to sell it to because a good majority of fans already think players are overpaid. Because baseball hasn't ever opened it's books we have no idea what these teams and the league makes. Where all the other leagues we know because they have a percentage of revenue that has to be paid to the players with salary caps and spending floors etc etc. I would honestly make a bet that if we put all of the baseball revenue into a pool and came up with a round number of what baseball generates. Then we looked at the percentage the players make, I would guess it is the lowest of any sport. Baseball players might actually want to consider a salary cap, basically every team is refusing to go into the luxury tax bracket save a few, so there is already a soft cap. Then you factor in without that they can not in anyway get a salary floor or a % of revenue number to be spread among the players, it's a hard argument for them to win. If they still won't do that about their only recourse is to basically demand that guys make more money in their first 4 years making replacing the vets not that cost effective. Yeah, I've heard that before and I think it's total bullshit. Analytics has been around for a generation and only 3 or 4 years ago did the contracts dry up and they dried up universally. So was it a coincidence.....OOOOORRRRRRRR, maybe, it was a lot of the same owners from the last time they pulled this league-wide BS? Because analytics have become huge in the NHL and the NBA, and guess what? Their contracts are skyrocketing. Not only are the stars making a LOT more, but the average player is seeing a healthy increase. Meanwhile the above average players are holding out until Feb, Mar, Apr, and taking LESS. They're simultaneously holding their ground and losing ground to the owners, taking this sliding "market" value. The MLB needs a cap floor, flat out. The owners have figured out and manipulated the max, so that's not a concern as much as it was a long time ago. But there are teams like the Rays who are constantly operating on a shoestring budget and taking that profit sharing. And someone like Wander Franco will stay down all year to manipulate service time. The owners are not trustworthy. The player's union needs to really push back maybe even to the point of a strike, because they are getting screwed by a group of people colluding together.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 21:12:36 GMT -5
It's a mixture of several thing, analytics have made it where everyone thinks they can get production from guys who make no money. Most of the teams are owned by guys who run their teams like majorly profitable businesses above winning. In reality the star players should be making more than they do, the baseball revenue is skyrocketing from all of the media deals yet team payrolls aren't. It's easy for them to sell it to because a good majority of fans already think players are overpaid. Because baseball hasn't ever opened it's books we have no idea what these teams and the league makes. Where all the other leagues we know because they have a percentage of revenue that has to be paid to the players with salary caps and spending floors etc etc. I would honestly make a bet that if we put all of the baseball revenue into a pool and came up with a round number of what baseball generates. Then we looked at the percentage the players make, I would guess it is the lowest of any sport. Baseball players might actually want to consider a salary cap, basically every team is refusing to go into the luxury tax bracket save a few, so there is already a soft cap. Then you factor in without that they can not in anyway get a salary floor or a % of revenue number to be spread among the players, it's a hard argument for them to win. If they still won't do that about their only recourse is to basically demand that guys make more money in their first 4 years making replacing the vets not that cost effective. Yeah, I've heard that before and I think it's total bullshit. Analytics has been around for a generation and only 3 or 4 years ago did the contracts dry up and they dried up universally. So was it a coincidence.....OOOOORRRRRRRR, maybe, it was a lot of the same owners from the last time they pulled this league-wide BS? Because analytics have become huge in the NHL and the NBA, and guess what? Their contracts are skyrocketing. Not only are the stars making a LOT more, but the average player is seeing a healthy increase. Meanwhile the above average players are holding out until Feb, Mar, Apr, and taking LESS. They're simultaneously holding their ground and losing ground to the owners, taking this sliding "market" value. The MLB needs a cap floor, flat out. The owners have figured out and manipulated the max, so that's not a concern as much as it was a long time ago. But there are teams like the Rays who are constantly operating on a shoestring budget and taking that profit sharing. And someone like Wander Franco will stay down all year to manipulate service time. The owners are not trustworthy. The player's union needs to really push back maybe even to the point of a strike, because they are getting screwed by a group of people colluding together. Teams should be forced to spend 90% of their cap. Make the floor around $75 mill' If they fail to spend 90% of their cap for 3 straight years then you insert some type of penalty
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Post by sfvega on Dec 6, 2019 23:42:05 GMT -5
Buried in here, but I hope he has a gigantic season hitting after Tatis. He's such a balanced hitter and a good fielder for a guy whose career earnings are only 6 mil.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 7, 2019 2:20:53 GMT -5
Quality purchase. I've also got the hat with the World Series Champions logo and my girlfriend ordered me the commemorative book. I have one too.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 7, 2019 2:28:09 GMT -5
Oh and on this whole "wondering why the Nats aren't going past a reasonable limit on free agents", maybe you should ask the Baltimore Orioles or the Detroit Tigers how well that worked out....well, if you can get to them with how bottom of the basement their teams are.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 8, 2019 14:22:29 GMT -5
Yanks reportedly offer Gerrit Cole 7 years and $245 mill
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:22:35 GMT -5
Marvin Miller and Ted Simmons are the two newest hall of famers.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 9, 2019 12:26:04 GMT -5
The Yankees have the most Sunday Night Baseball games next season, I guess I will be watching a lot of games in mute.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2019 13:41:40 GMT -5
Bumgarner is looking for a 9 figure deal over 5 years
Yeah, idk about that. Can see something like Arrieta signed for 3 for $75 million with some team options that could take him over $100 million
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Post by Cyno on Dec 9, 2019 13:53:26 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner is only 30? I thought he was a lot older.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2019 13:56:49 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner is only 30? I thought he was a lot older. Yea I could sworn he was like 35 Shows you how crazy his career has been thus far
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Post by Duke Cameron on Dec 9, 2019 14:56:10 GMT -5
Nationals sign Strasburg to a reported 7 year, $245 million deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:57:50 GMT -5
Strasburg getting $245 million over seven years.
Damn. Cole’s going to break $300 mil at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 14:59:00 GMT -5
Nice deal for Strasburg. Not sure he's really worth it long term but he "earned" it after the postseason.
Guessing 8/310 for Cole and that the Yanks will right the mistake of not signing him out of high school.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 9, 2019 15:11:27 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner is only 30? I thought he was a lot older. Dude broke into the league at 20. First set of World Series heroics at 21.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2019 15:14:25 GMT -5
Nationals sign Strasburg to a reported 7 year, $245 million deal. That contract may come back to bite them if he can't stay healthy but he earned it Cole may close in on $300 mill at this rate. 8 for $275 I think is the price range now or 10 for $300 i'm sure Boras is aiming for MadBum might get his $100 mill at this point as well
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Post by sfvega on Dec 9, 2019 16:11:12 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner is only 30? I thought he was a lot older. Dude broke into the league at 20. First set of World Series heroics at 21. Broke in at 20, heroics started at 21, he's actually 30, he has the mileage of someone 33-35, and the mentality of a pitcher who is 85 years old.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2019 17:52:01 GMT -5
Also with Strausburg signing that pretty much says Rendon is gone
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 9, 2019 18:10:07 GMT -5
Yanks are in talks to try to keep both Brett Gardner and Delin Betances
The Rays are in on Delin as well
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