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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 31, 2019 14:31:49 GMT -5
It should never have existed.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 31, 2019 14:55:40 GMT -5
It’s 100% cursed. Seth will win it and his butt will fall off. "Good. Let's see how he likes to be on the recieving end for a change."
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Post by BigAl on Mar 31, 2019 15:08:10 GMT -5
I don't know, last era WCW really put a hurt on their world title (post NWA). Russo, Arquette, Fingerpoke of Doom, Bash at the Beach worked shoot turned shoot, and Starrcade with Sting/Hogan/Bret. That is just off the top of my head. but a lot of those was because Hogan was pretty much dictating everything, unlike here with no wrestler is actually dictating how the belt should be held in anyting it's all decided by Vince and the Booker's
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 15:15:44 GMT -5
He's not as hot as he should be, but Seth should win it at WM and hold it until at least SummerSlam, defending it on every PPV with at least a couple TV title defenses also thrown in.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Mar 31, 2019 17:23:11 GMT -5
I've said this before, but it might as well just be the Brock Lesnar Saskatchewan Heavyweight Championship Invitational Title. No point in even recognizing it as a world title, to be honest. FIXED.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 31, 2019 17:34:52 GMT -5
I want to know what Raw people are watching that Brock is adding prestige to the title by defending it once since he won in Saudi Arabia five months ago. Ratings have been in goddamn freefall on this Brock reign, he's not adding very much interest at all to the show and when he's not around, most of the time it just feels like the show has no champion and no guiding direction rather than like there is a looming presence of greatness over the show who only emerges when one proves himself worthy. Brock's top title reigns in this run have all been the same and they represent nothing at all enriching or interesting. Just because you think title defenses are better if they aren't monthly doesn't mean this is a good execution or even good television. Brock had eight matches last year and I'd call the Bryan match the only really good one he had of all of those and it was also his only match that didn't involve the title.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 31, 2019 18:15:39 GMT -5
I'm more surprised that it's been defended on tv 21 times. I can remember like two of them.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 31, 2019 19:28:50 GMT -5
I think it is also cursed rather than just badly booked. It’d have to BE booked to be badly booked. The booking is also cursed.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2019 19:47:51 GMT -5
Except Brock Lesnar can't be bothered to show up to defend it, and half-asses it when he does. So no, the title matches don't have more meaning just because it's not defended as often. In a lot of promotions other than WWE, they actually keep track of not only how long a champion has held a title, but how many successful defenses they've made. Nigel McGuinness is considered one of the greatest ROH World Champions in history, not just because he held it for over 500 days, but because he's tied with Daniel Bryan for most successful title defenses. Bork's endless title reign doesn't mean a damn thing if he never defends the thing. While I agree with the school of thought that fewer defenses mean the belt is more prestigious and it looks more credible that the belt could change hands, even Hogan, aside from his 93 reign, was 1) a presence on TV through interviews and backstage segments, and 2) did put his belt up on the house show circuit, and at things like SNME, where they actually booked it to make us think he might actually lose it. There's scarcity, and then there's nonexistence. Yeah, this is not at all like "how it used to be" or giving any kind of prestige just for existing... The title was ALWAYS a presence through when Bruno and Hogan held it. You knew they were THE man, they were the champ they were all over the show they were advertised to talk... they had non title matches... people were lining up talking about who was going to get the next shot at the title. Everyone knew that Bruno/Hogan were THE Champion... even if they didn't defend the belt weekly (and a lot of the time THEY DID in house shows.) Brock... just f***s off with the title. No one mentions it or him when he's not around. Everyone just kinda shrugs their shoulders and does their own thing until Brock be assed to get out of his murder shack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 19:53:23 GMT -5
I've never understood the thought process that a title being defended less makes it matter more. If the title's actually worth anything someone should constantly want the damn thing instead of forgetting it exists for months at a time like this horrendous Lesnar thing and to me a champion's more legit if they're constantly able to defend it than if they just do so every once in awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 20:09:20 GMT -5
I am all for the belt being defended a small handful of times a year on TV, as it makes it feel like a huge deal when it is.
However, even with those rare televised Hogan era defenses, you still had house show defenses just about every night, and the champ was still front and center of everything to do with the company.
I'm all about that kind of schedule.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 31, 2019 20:36:50 GMT -5
Rollins run with the Universal title should be as hot as his IC title run.
Rollins, especially as a face is one of the lamest characters I can remember.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 31, 2019 21:08:19 GMT -5
I like the concept of rare defenses, but as per WWE, the execution is not excellent. The rare defenses thing only works if people are clearly gunning for it all the time and the title/champ is treated like a presence looming over the show whether that's through interviews or whatever. When a title isn't even on-screen or mentioned half the time, there is no prestige.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 31, 2019 21:20:07 GMT -5
It’d have to BE booked to be badly booked. The booking is also cursed. That’s bad. (“But it comes with a free frogurt!”)
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 31, 2019 22:52:53 GMT -5
No, title matches have a meaning when we don’t have seven of them a month. When Brock defends the title it actually feels like a big match. What’s the feeling going to be when it’s Rollins defending the title against some other guy he probably fought over the IC title with a year ago? Don’t forget about how they book every other champion. He’ll be getting pinned on TV at least once a month to set up future challengers on PPV.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Mar 31, 2019 23:17:58 GMT -5
I'm more surprised that it's been defended on tv 21 times. I can remember like two of them. 22 Actually Via Cagematch.net 1: Finn Balor Vs. Seth Rollins 2: 4 way elimination match 3: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rollins 4: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rollins: Hell in a Cell 5: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rolling: No DQ 6: Kevin Owens Vs. Roman Reigns 7: Kevin Owens Vs. Roman Reigns: No DQ 8: Kevin Owens Vs. Braun Strowman 9: Kevin Owens Vs. Goldberg 10: Brock Lesnar Vs. Goldberg 11: Brock Lesnar Vs. Samoa Joe 12: Brock Lesnar Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Braun Strowman Vs. Roman Reigns 13: Brock Lesnar Vs. Braun Strowman 14: Brock Lesnar Vs. Strowman Vs. Kane 15: Brock Lesnar Vs. Roman Reigns 16 Brock Lesnar Vs Roman Reigns: Cage Match 17: Brock Lesnar Vs. Roman Reigns 18: Roman Reigns Vs. Finn Balor 19: Roman Reigns Vs. Braun Strowman Hell in a Cell 20 Roman Reigns Vs. Baron Corbin 21: Brock Lesnar Vs. Braun Strowman 22: Brock Lesnar Vs. Finn Balor.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 1, 2019 1:50:29 GMT -5
I'm more surprised that it's been defended on tv 21 times. I can remember like two of them. 22 Actually Via Cagematch.net 1: Finn Balor Vs. Seth Rollins 2: 4 way elimination match 3: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rollins 4: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rollins: Hell in a Cell 5: Kevin Owens Vs. Seth Rolling: No DQ 6: Kevin Owens Vs. Roman Reigns 7: Kevin Owens Vs. Roman Reigns: No DQ 8: Kevin Owens Vs. Braun Strowman 9: Kevin Owens Vs. Goldberg 10: Brock Lesnar Vs. Goldberg 11: Brock Lesnar Vs. Samoa Joe 12: Brock Lesnar Vs. Samoa Joe Vs. Braun Strowman Vs. Roman Reigns 13: Brock Lesnar Vs. Braun Strowman 14: Brock Lesnar Vs. Strowman Vs. Kane 15: Brock Lesnar Vs. Roman Reigns 16 Brock Lesnar Vs Roman Reigns: Cage Match 17: Brock Lesnar Vs. Roman Reigns 18: Roman Reigns Vs. Finn Balor 19: Roman Reigns Vs. Braun Strowman Hell in a Cell 20 Roman Reigns Vs. Baron Corbin 21: Brock Lesnar Vs. Braun Strowman 22: Brock Lesnar Vs. Finn Balor. Vacant match for a new champion isn't a defense, I would think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 4:01:08 GMT -5
Rollins run with the Universal title should be as hot as his IC title run. Rollins, especially as a face is one of the lamest characters I can remember. His first IC title reign was really good, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 4:09:46 GMT -5
Rollins run with the Universal title should be as hot as his IC title run. Rollins, especially as a face is one of the lamest characters I can remember. His first IC title reign was really good, though. Honestly only things I remember from it (although I was watching so little at the time these might actually be the only things I saw, I dunno) are his awesome match with Miz and then him having to cheat to beat Elias for no reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 4:11:19 GMT -5
His first IC title reign was really good, though. Honestly only things I remember from it (although I was watching so little at the time these might actually be the only things I saw, I dunno) are his awesome match with Miz and then him having to cheat to beat Elias for no reason. Yeah, the match with Miz at Backlash was genuinely great and the only worthwhile match on one of the worst PPVs I've ever seen. There was also the ladder match at The Greatest Rumble Ever or whatever the f*** it was called, a really good Raw match with Owens and Money in the Bank vs. Elias was Elias' best match ever. I'm still baffled that they put the title on Ziggler when Rollins was doing great work with it.
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