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Post by romanstylesiii on Apr 2, 2019 22:23:28 GMT -5
Bobby, Drew, and the other one can learn SO much about being a heel from him. Went from being the most over face since The Rock, to getting genuine heat without any cheap heat shortcuts. Just masterful work from D-Bry
Not only is he entertaining, he is miles ahead of them in-terms of being a heel. He can get heat without doing another mindless beatdown while mocking The Shield pose.
Wrestling fans above everything else want to be entertained, and man those 3 guys suck at doing that right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:24:27 GMT -5
I'm going to dispute that, "Without any cheap heat shortcuts," because all he did for like the first three months as a heel was insult the crowd over and over and over and over. Hell, I thought tonight's promo was great but that's still mostly what he was doing.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 2, 2019 22:29:44 GMT -5
In fairness, Bryan's cheap heat works within his character being so connected with the fans as a face that he's now using that to his advantage to chastise everyone as a heel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:31:45 GMT -5
Counterargument: Fire them. Everyone wins. Except them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 22:32:49 GMT -5
The boring 3 could hang around the greatest heels to ever do it, it will just make them look more boring. There’s little hope for any of them.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 2, 2019 22:42:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Bryan's heel work cheap heat too much; he gets digs at the crowd, but they're integral to the ideological core of his character. He's insulting them for their failings, not just ragging on the local sports teams. He's not saying that shit just to get a rise or because he hates the losers in (CITY) but because it ties into his self-superior belief in himself as the one and only.
As far as the Boring 3, this is one of those cases where I can only blame the talent so much; none of them are being given good material, good promos, or characters they can work with. They're a drag but it feels systemic, like the idea of being painfully generic nothing heels is just what the writing of Raw demands and there's no room for them to do anything else. I've seen all these dudes have more personality than they're showing now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 2, 2019 22:57:26 GMT -5
The boring 3 could hang around the greatest heels to ever do it, it will just make them look more boring. There’s little hope for any of them. Pretty much. Being near Edge didn't do much of anything to elevate Bam Neely. |
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Apr 2, 2019 23:37:18 GMT -5
If Bryan were really cheap heat based, he would have insulted the fans in Washington state.
Instead he was a mega-face there. That, along with this heel run, have been nothing short of amazing.
I sat watching tonight's promo marveling at the fact the most over dude became legitimately the biggest heel, that's some masterclass shit right there.
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 2, 2019 23:39:32 GMT -5
Every heel for about 4.5 years on Raw has been capped by Brock Lesnar and that just makes them all worse by proxy. If he finally goes down Sunday, then maybe shit like this will change. If not, Bryan going over to Raw and taking over himself won't matter/won't fix those 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 0:53:24 GMT -5
Have Drew do what he was doing before....this.
Corbin off TV for a bit to repackage, maybe a stint back in NXT.
Lashley? Endeavoured to a company I don't have to fast forward his charisma sucking.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 3, 2019 2:41:04 GMT -5
So here's a question - Why are Drew and co heels? What is it that makes them hated in the eyes of fans? What do they stand for, what have they done, to be called heels? Because I feel like the only thing is 'they're against the Shield guys'.
The reason Bryan is over as a heel is that fans know what he stands for, know why he's attacking them, and a lot of them secretly know he's right. He's smug and condescending, but it's actually for a reason, not just because he's the designated bad guy.
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Post by abjordans on Apr 3, 2019 6:09:12 GMT -5
I'm going to dispute that, "Without any cheap heat shortcuts," because all he did for like the first three months as a heel was insult the crowd over and over and over and over. Hell, I thought tonight's promo was great but that's still mostly what he was doing. I don’t consider ideology and telling people that they are wrong for not agreeing with him and practicing what he does is cheap heat. Cheap heat is insulting cities or sports teams, things like that. Seems very different to me. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 3, 2019 6:57:46 GMT -5
So here's a question - Why are Drew and co heels? What is it that makes them hated in the eyes of fans? What do they stand for, what have they done, to be called heels? Because I feel like the only thing is 'they're against the Shield guys'. The reason Bryan is over as a heel is that fans know what he stands for, know why he's attacking them, and a lot of them secretly know he's right. He's smug and condescending, but it's actually for a reason, not just because he's the designated bad guy. Drew is an asshole. Bobby is arrogant. I feel like Corbin is the only one that legit has done very heelish things besides acting like a jerk.He is still a bore. |
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 3, 2019 7:04:43 GMT -5
So here's a question - Why are Drew and co heels? What is it that makes them hated in the eyes of fans? What do they stand for, what have they done, to be called heels? Because I feel like the only thing is 'they're against the Shield guys'. Didn't Drew and Baron make fun of Roman's illness? Their gimmicks are seemingly just being huge pricks. I dunno about Bobbeh. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Apr 3, 2019 7:05:06 GMT -5
All three seem like they SHOULD work as successful heels, they just don’t and nothing will make it work. If it was as easy as having guys hang around with better performers then it’s be easy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 7:17:34 GMT -5
The boring 3 could hang around the greatest heels to ever do it, it will just make them look more boring. There’s little hope for any of them. Pretty much. Being near Edge didn't do much of anything to elevate Bam Neely. You would do well to mind your manners sir and refer to him by his full and glorious title “The Human Fence” Bam Neely Just typing those words gave me the chills at how great a moniker it truly was |
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 3, 2019 7:37:01 GMT -5
Drew is an asshole. Bobby is arrogant. I feel like Corbin is the only one that legit has done very heelish things besides acting like a jerk.He is still a bore. Didn't Drew and Baron make fun of Roman's illness? Their gimmicks are seemingly just being huge pricks. I dunno about Bobbeh. Fair enough on both of those, but what I was trying to get at is, heels feel more authentic if they have a reason to be against the fans, as well against the babyfaces. That's why Bryan works so well, and it's why characters like Hollywood Rock, anti-America Bret Hart and the Million Dollar Man worked so well. The fans had clearly defined reasons for not liking them personally. Most of the time, modern WWE just frames their face/heel dynamic in terms of what they mean to one another and, when that's coupled with bad writing and shallowly defined characters, it ends up being very underwhelming. These three are just bruisers who fight with babyfaces, and that means they're heels. At least when Lashley had Lio Rush, there was a focal point of irritation for fans to react to. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 3, 2019 7:57:59 GMT -5
So here's a question - Why are Drew and co heels? What is it that makes them hated in the eyes of fans? What do they stand for, what have they done, to be called heels? Because I feel like the only thing is 'they're against the Shield guys'. The reason Bryan is over as a heel is that fans know what he stands for, know why he's attacking them, and a lot of them secretly know he's right. He's smug and condescending, but it's actually for a reason, not just because he's the designated bad guy. I don’t think a lot of Bryan’s heat comes from him being ‘secretly right’. Its that he’s a scummy hypocrite hiding behind a phony veil of moral superiority. Its still better than Drew’s growl, snarl, I’m so bad and evil thing. |
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Apr 3, 2019 8:42:32 GMT -5
Fine,but...we're not talking about televising it, right? He was already hamstrung by Cass. Let's just let his hot streak keep burning right now
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Post by Gremlin on Apr 3, 2019 10:58:34 GMT -5
Nirvana cover band gimmick?
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