mcstoklasa
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 4, 2019 17:53:14 GMT -5
While entertaining in retrospect they should never have turned austin heel.
As a kid I was devastated and tuned out.
His first feud was with undertaker who he'd already fueded with for years.
Also leads into the Invssion being awful
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Apr 4, 2019 18:57:39 GMT -5
The Yokozuna/Bret/Hogan debacle at Wrestlemania.
I was about 11 years old and even I was like “nah, f*** this company.”
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 4, 2019 19:54:47 GMT -5
Since they became wwe or since their inception?
With their inception the mistake was not making Superstar Billy Graham face.
After they became wwe, I would say that they never used to Rock and Austin in retirement angles to create new stars, Brock doesn’t count because he left two years later after Rock made him.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Apr 4, 2019 20:36:23 GMT -5
3 major ones. Turning Austin heel the second time. HHH dominating TV and never putting anyone over. The forced Cena push that nobody wanted and killed everybody else's momentum. Are you talking about the initial Cena push, where he first won the title? Because to say “Nobody wanted it” is just flat out wrong. He was red hot Late 2004-Early 2005. It wasn’t until he got moved to Raw that he started getting booed and armed with a push detrimental to others. The Angle/Steph/HHH triangle falling apart hurt, and was the first instance of HHH’s ego being harmful to the booking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 21:16:54 GMT -5
Maybe Survivor Series 1989, not for Hogan winning, but the way that he won.
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Post by DoubleDare on Apr 4, 2019 21:28:17 GMT -5
If we're talking just about the attitude era. As mentioned the fizzled out ending to the kurt/hhh/stephanie was bad, just ended after unforgiven 2000 iirc with the weird bloody kiss on steph from triple H. But I don't it would've been too bad for the company if they recovered and didn't continue making mistakes.
The first real obvious mistake was Rikishi being the driver who hit austin and turning him heel, then when that clearly was dumb, they took Triple H who was now getting heavily cheered by fans because he was such a great heel and theoughout the kurt, steph angle was funny and people really started loving triple h, so what do they do? Make him a heel again and saw he was the one behind the austin being ran over storyline.
Fall 2000 to early 2000, hhh and austin were bitter rivals, then austin turns heel at WM X7 and then right away starts teaming with HHH!
Yea, it was a couple of mistakes for sure. But the Rikishi going heel was the first big one.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 4, 2019 21:31:52 GMT -5
Come on, everyone knows than Hans Mortier should have beaten Buddy Rogers for the belt and not that hack Sammartino.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Apr 4, 2019 21:53:19 GMT -5
Wasn't Bob Backlund a pretty unpopular champion for them, at least for a time? Backlund got stale in 1983. Luckily he dropped the belt in December of that year. He was probably stale even before that. I think people popped for him more for the fact that he was the champion than he was someone you wanted to get behind. He came across as such a dork. While his Reigns were successful and he certainly performed admirably as champion I wonder if somebody who wasn’t so milquetoast would have done even better
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 22:07:32 GMT -5
The first major one from the time I started watching (1988-ish) was Slaughter winning the title. Even as a kid and mark for the product I wanted to change the channel every time he was on.
From the Attitude Era onwards I’d say 1) everything related to the Invasion angle (it sucked ass pretty much from beginning to end), 2) building the company around HHH for years at the expense of practically everyone else, and 3) not turning Cena heel in 2007-ish which resulted in lowering his upside as a star and hurting everyone else to keep him on top.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 4, 2019 22:14:00 GMT -5
Some would argue Warrior over Hogan was a big picture bad move, even though they kinda needed to see if Warrior could carry the ball.
As far as Backlund goes I can't help but wonder if he shouldn't have been Gagne's heir apparent in the AWA. His boring, white bread act would probably have fit in better there. Do a trade for Bockwinkel and let Bock be the WWF champion during that time period. They never liked heel champs, but whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 22:48:26 GMT -5
I feel like they really missed an opportunity to buy a chain of exotic bird stores in the 80s and then push Koko B. Ware as the top guy in the business. They could have made so much money selling birds to families that weren’t ready for the responsibilities of bird ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 23:22:51 GMT -5
The Invasion has to be the first time I ever thought to myself “Okay... what the f*** are they doing here? This sucks.”
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 5, 2019 1:14:08 GMT -5
They should've never made Chris Jericho Doink
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Apr 5, 2019 1:46:50 GMT -5
The Gooker coming out if that egg.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 5, 2019 11:26:55 GMT -5
You have to adjust your parameters. They had two declines, the post-Hulkamania one and then the post-Attitude Era decline, so you're really asking what their first major mistake was there to precipitate their current decline, and that was turning Austin heel in his home state in front of their biggest crowd in a decade.
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Post by benstudd on Apr 5, 2019 14:16:16 GMT -5
I feel like the main problem has been that since the AE and the end of WCW, whereas in the past they made mistakes, they would realise it and correct it and rebound in a great manner. Just for instance, they made HBK the guy in 1996 as a cookie cutter babyface that would destroy all challengers at a time when fans wanted anti-establishment shades of grey characters(and the nWo proved that). But by the fall of 1996, they had Sid beat HBK at MSG and it was a big moment. And by 1997, they gave the ball to Austin.
They kept doing that like when Rock wasn't working they switched him back and forth from face to heel constantly until he stuck. But after the AE and the end of WCW, they became pretty stubborn and when they went in one direction, they kept at it even if it was not working. This has been the main issue, in the past they could make booking mistakes but changed it and it was most often than not benefificial. While 2001 to now, they refused to admit their mistakes or change gears when it has not worked.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Apr 5, 2019 14:17:47 GMT -5
Not going for Hogan/Flair at Wrestlemania 8
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2019 14:21:17 GMT -5
The Gooker coming out if that egg. He had to. He's a bird.
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