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Post by corndog on Apr 5, 2019 11:40:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Bret and Shawn were being heavily pushed not just because of the steroid scandal, but also because they were the last 80s stars still remaining (yeah, they were part of tag teams, but still,,). If they were so gung-ho about pushing smaller wrestlers, 123 kid would have gotten the superpush. I think this is a good part of it. Bret, Shawn, Undertaker and Yokozuna were guys that were already main eventers(or in Shawn's case, close to it), when they still had Hogan and a good portion of the top stars from the 80s. As far 123 kid, he did get a pretty nice push.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Apr 5, 2019 17:39:13 GMT -5
Pop culture, I don't know how much he's ever been in touch. A prime example is Scott Hall blending a bit of Tony Montana into his Diamond Studd persona to deliver Razor Ramon, and Vince not realizing anything about the 80's version of Scarface.
Business-wise? Between the fans getting burned out on Hogan, the steroid scandal, and the litany of lawsuits that came their way in the early to mid 90's, it's hard to blame Vince for taking his eye off the ball.
I know guys like JJ Dillon were upset that Vince cut the salaries of wrestling staff more than the ancillary staff (merchandising, promotions, licensing, home video, overseas TV and live events), but if it weren't for those ancillary revenue streams the WWF built in the 80's, they probably would have died before Smoky Mountain Wrestling did.
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Post by mauled on Apr 7, 2019 2:18:05 GMT -5
. The WWF was coasting on its success from the 80's until about '94 when Eric Bischoff did the same thing to Vince that he did to everyone else and within a few years was kicking his ass. But in 94 Eric wasn't doing the same though. After the initial buzz of Hogan coming to WCW got squashed, quite literally in his Flair matches, he was getting booed and he was not an attraction. Things didnt really pick up until Razor/Nash came back to WCW in 96 as the Outsiders. Hogan was just smart enough to jump on board that train. But 94-96 Business with Hogan wasn't that great. I mean who cared about the Dungeon of Doom 🤷♂️
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 7, 2019 4:16:18 GMT -5
Looking at the way things are now, safe to say Attitude wasn't entirely his idea.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 7, 2019 8:12:41 GMT -5
. The WWF was coasting on its success from the 80's until about '94 when Eric Bischoff did the same thing to Vince that he did to everyone else and within a few years was kicking his ass. But in 94 Eric wasn't doing the same though. After the initial buzz of Hogan coming to WCW got squashed, quite literally in his Flair matches, he was getting booed and he was not an attraction. Things didnt really pick up until Razor/Nash came back to WCW in 96 as the Outsiders. Hogan was just smart enough to jump on board that train. But 94-96 Business with Hogan wasn't that great. I mean who cared about the Dungeon of Doom 🤷♂️ Hall and Nash deserve a LOT more credit than they get for n w o. N w o was Hogan's ad-libbed name but Hall and Nash coming from such fame in WWF and "invading" (pre internet blow up of killing kayfabe) and some fans not really knowing what was going on is what exploded the angle originally. If it were just Hogan turning heel aligning himself with two wcw wrestlers pretending to try and overthrow wcw, it wouldn't have worked nearly as well. It would literally just be Hogan in his black clothing he tried a year earlier that went nowhere. I'm sure Brutus Beefcake would have somehow been one of the disgruntled wcw wrestlers working with Hogan. Maybe Big Bubba or Hacksaw.
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Post by SmashTV on Apr 8, 2019 14:16:29 GMT -5
I think it was a combination of complacency and controversy; they’d been riding high since at least 1985 and I imagine that Vince might have found it hard to contemplate the wheels coming off the product. Add to this the steroid trial hanging over him and WWF staff being accused of sexual harassment, it would be only natural for him to be distracted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -5
. The WWF was coasting on its success from the 80's until about '94 when Eric Bischoff did the same thing to Vince that he did to everyone else and within a few years was kicking his ass. But in 94 Eric wasn't doing the same though. After the initial buzz of Hogan coming to WCW got squashed, quite literally in his Flair matches, he was getting booed and he was not an attraction. Things didnt really pick up until Razor/Nash came back to WCW in 96 as the Outsiders. Hogan was just smart enough to jump on board that train. But 94-96 Business with Hogan wasn't that great. I mean who cared about the Dungeon of Doom 🤷♂️ I don't see how that's a contradiction of anything I said. Like Vince did in the mid 80's, Bischoff was loading his roster with veteran talent that became superstars in the WWF. It was the entire premise of "Where the big boys play". I said that it was still a few years before his strategy started to work.
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