Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 6, 2019 9:06:51 GMT -5
And I am referring to ALL the titles because I can’t recall a time where there were this many active belts all at once. Color me old fashioned but I am a believer that less is more when it comes to championships and the current plethora feels like it drastically cheapens them. Added to them act that at least three fo them (UK, UK women’s, Cruiserweight) are pretty much never seen on TV and it leaves a question fo why bother having them around at all. And that is without adding in how ridiculous some of them look, like the tag belts, Universal belt, and again, the cruiserweight belt. Is there any possible way to correct this? Or are we going to get even more belts going forward to where EVERYONE will have one?
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Moppy
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Post by Moppy on Apr 6, 2019 9:16:20 GMT -5
They'll have more titles before they have fewer, especially with them probably moving into new local NXT regions.
Having said that we could see a Women's title unification this Sunday?
Tbh I think most of the active titles have their place, but I'll always be a fan of having just one world champion.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 6, 2019 9:16:35 GMT -5
I think the belts should all be unified on the main roster, but not be brand separate. Or, have the women's midcard division on one show and the men's on the other, with one men's and women's top title fought for on either show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 9:20:50 GMT -5
I think it's fine. I think every show should have its own standalone sets of belts because having intersecting storylines or the same people on top of both brands effectively makes a brand split completely pointless.
And really it's not like NXT's belts have any baring on the main roster's or vice-versa. They're barely ever acknowledged beyond, "Hey, it's a former _____ Champion!" and any time someone does gets called up while champion they lose it almost immediately.
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Pushed to the Moon
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 6, 2019 9:23:45 GMT -5
If they have so many shows then they need a lot of belts. Every show having a main, secondary, Women's, and tag titles make sense to me. I think it's fine.
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adamclark52
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Post by adamclark52 on Apr 6, 2019 14:32:17 GMT -5
It would be fine if they had a roster to warrant it and if the brand split was legit.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 6, 2019 14:46:03 GMT -5
It was much better on the brand-specific PPVs, they just bungled them too badly. In general though, WWE will not fill a show with non-title feuds and will write only a small handful of them at a time and that's not a cause of the title saturation that's just an element of why they need all these titles. It's laziness, but it's the only way some people are getting onto a show
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Post by Error on Apr 6, 2019 14:55:39 GMT -5
As long as they go back to the hard split after the Shakeup I'm okay, especially with NXT's rumored growth. Basically 4 independent brands with a top, mid, tag, and women's championships.
I do think the roster for the women's division and men's tags division are too weak. I'd move the tag teams to SDL with a United Title and Women to RAW with their new combined singles and the women's tag.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 15:00:20 GMT -5
I'm cool with the amount of titles they have. What I don't like deals with who's holding a title, for how long they're holding it and who's next in line.
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Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 6, 2019 16:15:24 GMT -5
It's not just the number but the rising prestige of the women's titles. They were undercard, now they can be equal to the men's titles. Which is good but four world title matches and the rumble was just too much for me. That in turn makes the other belts less important and anything none title gets squeezed out, there’s only so much you can invest in. Yet you leave one off a PPV and it feels wrong. I guess that’s why the women’s may be unified but if the men don’t follow suit it’ll feel even more wrong.
I suppose titles having more prestige is a nice problem to have though.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 6, 2019 16:24:28 GMT -5
The problem isn't the quantity of titles. You have one world title, one secondary title, one men's tag title, and one women's title for Raw and Smackdown. That's pretty reasonable. The issue is whatever the hell has happened to the brand split right now, specifically with the Women's titles, and Ricochet & Black challenging for every tag title in existence because the NXT callups weren't confined to a single brand.
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 6, 2019 17:08:58 GMT -5
I don't think there's going to be a hard brand split - WWE won't have it if they can get away with it. The _only_ way I can see it happening is if the WWE Shake-Up involves the two networks picking who on the roster they want on their show. Even then, the bidding for some of the stars may become so hot and heavy that WWE may have no choice but to assign them to both brands anyway.
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schma
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Post by schma on Apr 6, 2019 17:32:26 GMT -5
I don't really count the NXT ones when thinking about titles partly because I'm in Canada and getting the network here involves a lot of bs that I'm not willing to go through.
With the shows moving to different networks I think it'll be tougher than ever to reduce the number of titles. Even with the Women's match being for both titles I fully expect them to have the winner relinquish one of the titles and do a tournament for it (ideally with the Champ putting that roster over in a promo).
I would be down for unifying the tag titles and have the champs on both shows but I'm okay with the rest of the titles especially since the Universal title doesn't exist.
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Post by Starshine on Apr 6, 2019 18:51:49 GMT -5
Well it's not surprising that more recent fans think it's fine since they've basically grown up in an era where they only really write for title matches. Used to be case where a wrestler didn't need to be chasing a title to have some sort of story going on. But now everyone has a belt, so then everyone who doesn't is either chasing one or they're doing nothing. It's just the new normal, and as a result of it being so over saturated no one really cares about 9/10 belts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 18:55:36 GMT -5
It’s just an easy out for creative, why come up with a story that people can relate to when you can just have someone want to beat someone else for a title?
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MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 7, 2019 0:07:02 GMT -5
I've been saying this for a long time.
Five belts is about right: Men's World, Women's World, IC, US, and Tag.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 7, 2019 0:21:08 GMT -5
I don't really care about the NXT belts. It adds a good amount of them but they are really their own worlds and need their own belts. The main roster on the other hand, is basically one world. Smackdown and RAW are really intertwined. I'd unify the women's, men's, and tag team titles.
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schma
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Post by schma on Apr 7, 2019 0:45:30 GMT -5
I've been saying this for a long time. Five belts is about right: Men's World, Women's World, IC, US, and Tag. I'd argue the Women's Tag belong in that list as well, naturally one set for both shows.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 7, 2019 1:13:47 GMT -5
Yes, extremely out of hand. Why write a story when you can write 75 #1 contender matches and then match, rematch, rematch, rematch, rematch stories?
You’re not champion of f*** all if there’s more than one.
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MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 7, 2019 1:46:05 GMT -5
I've been saying this for a long time. Five belts is about right: Men's World, Women's World, IC, US, and Tag. I'd argue the Women's Tag belong in that list as well, naturally one set for both shows. Those will be forgotten about soon enough once the novelty wears off. WWE couldn't do anything with them in the 80's, TNA tried their own version, that flopped (and they actually did a decent job with their women's division overall), really the only place women's tag titles have ever worked is in all-female promotions.
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