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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:18:04 GMT -5
It doesn't have to end. They're still super over with the audience, they've been able to reinvent their schtick several times. There's no reason that Big E, like Kofi, can't win individual titles while he's a member of New Day. Kofi isn't keeping this belt for more than a couple of months, so Big E will have chances of his own. It really does. Everything runs it's course. An inability to examine the possibility of writing a version of this story that doesn't involve a stable breakup just makes you unimaginative. It's actually nice to not be predictable as f*** sometimes.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 11, 2019 15:19:58 GMT -5
It really does. Everything runs it's course. An inability to examine the possibility of writing a version of this story that doesn't involve a stable breakup just makes you unimaginative. It's actually nice to not be predictable as f*** sometimes. What story? "Three guys are happy and dance forever and there's never any conflict between them" is not a story.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:21:53 GMT -5
An inability to examine the possibility of writing a version of this story that doesn't involve a stable breakup just makes you unimaginative. It's actually nice to not be predictable as f*** sometimes. What story? "Three guys are happy and dance forever and there's never any conflict between them" is not a story. Pfft. You clearly just don't like the gimmick if that's what you came up with. Don't go into writing.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 11, 2019 15:22:16 GMT -5
An inability to examine the possibility of writing a version of this story that doesn't involve a stable breakup just makes you unimaginative. It's actually nice to not be predictable as f*** sometimes. What story? "Three guys are happy and dance forever and there's never any conflict between them" is not a story. "Best friends that always have each other's backs against everything that comes their way" is a story though, and usually how friendship works in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:22:33 GMT -5
None of the New Day wants to turn on the others let alone none of them want the group to break up. Big E can get his some other time, same with Xavier but having one (or both of them) turn on Kofi is just stupid. It would make New Day fall in line with every other stereotypical team breakup "due to someone wanting the title" that's happened with 99% of other teams where someone was champion. Eventually, the whole "Pancakes/Booty-Os, oh wait, I'm wearing a unicorn horn, that's silly, huh?" stuff is gonna get stale. It is. It happens to every act in wrestling. End it and get your push and your money before you fade out. As we've seen these past few weeks New Day can get serious when they need to. Kofi showed that during the Bryan match and even prior to that Big E himself, the guy you're talking about, said they can get serious. The stuff they're doing with pancakes, Booty-Os, "silliness" (according to Big E himself) are parts of their characters and they can easily toss it to the side when they need to, they're always able to adapt. There's a difference between being serious and turning on your brothers. When you're saying "they need to be serious" New Day can say "ok, we can do that as we've shown you in the past." That doesn't translate into turning on your team.
You also keep saying "Big E is the money guy" and "Big E is the one who will be champion" and "Kofi isn't champion material" and all that stuff but New Day themselves will tell you that you're wrong here. I get you like Big E and want him to get the push over Kofi but using this as a launching pad for Big E, when Big E can have his own launching pad in other ways, is silly and doesn't benefit any of the group let alone you want to typecast New Day as every other team in WWE history.
Kofi won't have this belt beyond Summerslam at the latest. He'll lose it to a big heel and that'll be it and then New Day will get on with their thing. Either way at the end of it breaking up New Day for "a Big E push" is something nobody in New Day wants to do or so.
New Day's better than that. It makes more sense for New Day to say "Big E, you want it, go get it" and he goes and gets it and brings it back home. Kofi won the titles due to his boys supporting him. If Big E gets a belt it'll be due to that same reason because that's what New Day's been about this entire time.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 11, 2019 15:24:01 GMT -5
It doesn't have to end. They're still super over with the audience, they've been able to reinvent their schtick several times. There's no reason that Big E, like Kofi, can't win individual titles while he's a member of New Day. Kofi isn't keeping this belt for more than a couple of months, so Big E will have chances of his own. It really does. Everything runs it's course. There's no reason why New Day can't exist for the rest of their WWE careers, as long as the group is still over. They can turn heel as a unit, or remain face as a unit, but can still pursue individual titles while being a part of New Day. The sort of short term thinking that permeates wrestling tells us 'this group has to break up, when one turns on the others' and it's just tired. Especially when, nine times out of ten, a group breaking up means most of the members fade into irrelevance. Ric Flair could be world champion while he was one of the Four Horsemen, Randy Orton could be IC Champion while he was in Evolution, The Hart Foundation once had all the gold between them. New Day can do the same.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 11, 2019 15:24:08 GMT -5
What story? "Three guys are happy and dance forever and there's never any conflict between them" is not a story. "Best friends that always have each other's backs against everything that comes their way" is a story though, and usually how friendship works in real life. Pro wrestling isn't real life. There is zero drama in "These guys are friends. And they're gonna be friends forever and ever. And also pancakes, I guess?"
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 11, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5
It really does. Everything runs it's course. There's no reason why New Day can't exist for the rest of their WWE careers, as long as the group is still over. They can turn heel as a unit, or remain face as a unit, but can still pursue individual titles while being a part of New Day. The sort of short term thinking that permeates wrestling tells us 'this group has to break up, when one turns on the others' and it's just tired. Especially when, nine times out of ten, a group breaking up means most of the members fade into irrelevance. Ric Flair could be world champion while he was one of the Four Horsemen, Randy Orton could be IC Champion while he was in Evolution, The Hart Foundation once had all the gold between them. New Day can do the same. Both of those first two stables broke up. The first one multiple times, usually when Ric turned on whoever the new hot-shot was. Same with Evolution when they turned on Orton for getting too big and becoming champion. Hart Foundation....I'll give you that one, but that was because most of the members f***ed off to WCW before they could break up. Tropes exist for a reason. Saying "These three guys MUST be attached at the hip for the rest of their careers" really limits what each guy can do as an individual.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 11, 2019 15:29:25 GMT -5
"Best friends that always have each other's backs against everything that comes their way" is a story though, and usually how friendship works in real life. Pro wrestling isn't real life. There is zero drama in "These guys are friends. And they're gonna be friends forever and ever. And also pancakes, I guess?" Why does there need to be drama between them when there's enough drama in them fighting off external threats?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 11, 2019 15:32:45 GMT -5
Pro wrestling isn't real life. There is zero drama in "These guys are friends. And they're gonna be friends forever and ever. And also pancakes, I guess?" Why does there need to be drama between them when there's enough drama in them fighting off external threats? Because eventually they're gonna go through every external threat. With a three man unit, you have a finite amount of options, unless you just start slapping guys together for no reason other than "Well, New Day's gotta have a program". Woods and Big E supporting Kofi worked here, but eventually they're gonna run out of external threats to fight.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 11, 2019 15:35:58 GMT -5
There's no reason why New Day can't exist for the rest of their WWE careers, as long as the group is still over. They can turn heel as a unit, or remain face as a unit, but can still pursue individual titles while being a part of New Day. The sort of short term thinking that permeates wrestling tells us 'this group has to break up, when one turns on the others' and it's just tired. Especially when, nine times out of ten, a group breaking up means most of the members fade into irrelevance. Ric Flair could be world champion while he was one of the Four Horsemen, Randy Orton could be IC Champion while he was in Evolution, The Hart Foundation once had all the gold between them. New Day can do the same. Both of those first two stables broke up. The first one multiple times, usually when Ric turned on whoever the new hot-shot was. Same with Evolution when they turned on Orton for getting too big and becoming champion. Hart Foundation....I'll give you that one, but that was because most of the members f***ed off to WCW before they could break up. Tropes exist for a reason. Saying "These three guys MUST be attached at the hip for the rest of their careers" really limits what each guy can do as an individual. Yeah, but Flair held titles while he was in those groups. Which is what Kofi is doing now. So why can't Big E do the same? As I said they can each do their own thing and pursue individual accolades while being a part of New Day. So they're not tied at the hip. If they were, Kofi wouldn't be world champion right now, because he'd be seen as a tag team guy.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Apr 11, 2019 15:41:12 GMT -5
Like, guys, New Day's gotta end sometime. It does. Heel turn to blast Big E to the main event is the way to do it. Please don't let his biggest shine being a footnote in Kofi's career. It doesn't have to end. They're still super over with the audience, they've been able to reinvent their schtick several times. There's no reason that Big E, like Kofi, can't win individual titles while he's a member of New Day. Kofi isn't keeping this belt for more than a couple of months, so Big E will have chances of his own. If New Day has to end at some point, can’t it just be on good terms without nobody turning on anyone? Because it’d be really nice for a stable to just end on good terms for once.
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 11, 2019 15:46:03 GMT -5
Chewie never got pissed and joined the Empire when Luke and Han got medals after The Battle of Yavin, why can't people just be happy for their friends?
F*** it, create an entirely new trope in wrestling.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 11, 2019 15:52:39 GMT -5
So here's an alternative booking scenario, now E is injured for a bit:
Woods, inspired by Kofi, declares he wants to go after the US Title, and ends up winning it after a decent feud with Joe. Then we have Woods and Kofi both with titles, while E is the injured cheerleader. And he tells them, 'guys, when I'm healthy again, I want to get me one of those belts too' without rancour or bitterness. And by the time he's back, Kofi has lost the title, and gives Big E his blessing to go after it.
I think people have really responded positively to Woods and E being so firmly in Kofi's corner, even to possible detriment of their own careers, and that's what the WWE should look to build on - the bond between these guys being stronger than personal ambition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:56:16 GMT -5
What'll likely happen is Kofi and Xavier will do well with E on the sidelines and then when E comes back he'll be like "hey yall, I love New Day and I'm still in it but seeing yall do what you did has inspired me to go after my own goals, please support me" and that'll start Big E's single's push again. Kofi will have lost the belt by then, will be feuding with other single's stars, Xavier will be supporting Kofi and probably fighting some lackeys or even in feuds himself. Big E will do his thing and boom that'll be it. Eventually we'll see a Kofi/Big E match where E will win clean and we'll think Kofi will turn but they'll hug it out showing that it's Big E's time.
Not only is that more emotional but it's natural progression between actual brothers and friends, that's how people act in real life. Contrary to what WWE might tell you, people don't turn on each other all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 15:58:03 GMT -5
Who says New Day has to end....just swap out Big E for someone new that they themselves hand pick and let Big E actually develop into something more than like said a footnote to Kofi's career.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 11, 2019 16:54:33 GMT -5
Big E on a scooter or we riot.
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Post by ayumidah on Apr 11, 2019 16:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -5
Xavier's good. He's gonna be the guy who mostly talks on the mic, gets taken out by the dude who's after Kofi and the guy who fights the lackeys. Since I think we're going to see more Bryan/Kofi we'll get Xavier/Rowan on the side. If Kofi's against Orton then expect Xavier to get RKO'd as Orton escapes from Kofi. He's a good fall guy to get sympathy.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Apr 11, 2019 17:06:11 GMT -5
Not every tag team needs to split up by turning one member heel/face. That is the most played out angle ever, it’s been done to death. They can go their separate ways amicably.
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