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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 18, 2019 13:27:20 GMT -5
Back to Greg Gagne, he was such a pathetic looking wrestler that not even his dad gave him the belt, and think about every dad who gave their kid and undeserved push, even Nick Gulas got the main belt I think while Verne told his son to f*** off.
But if you listen to every Greg interview, he revolutionized wrestling when in reality he got fired from the ovw head writer position for sexual harassment and entering the women’s locker room without permission.
Greg Gagne is the biggest loser in the history of wrestling.
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Post by realist on Apr 18, 2019 13:32:45 GMT -5
Talked shit about 6,000 real stars; never drew a dime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -5
He recently said that he's written a storyline to mark the 20th anniversary of his infamous Booker T match. I think a part of him really believes that in 2021 WWE is somehow going to hire a 51 year old Buff Bagwell who is over 20 years past his peak (midcard) relevance to come in and do a major angle based on something that was basically a disaster and everyone would rather forget.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Apr 18, 2019 16:10:12 GMT -5
Whenever Mike would show up on a WWE DVD he looked like a sad real life Dr Clayton Forrester
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Post by DragonMasterP on Apr 18, 2019 16:12:17 GMT -5
Another vote for Brimstone, at least some of the other guys mentioned had something resembling a career, for better or for worse. What the hell has Brimstone ever done?
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Post by Dub H on Apr 18, 2019 16:12:40 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes. Sub-average guy who only got any of the chances he did in WWE because Dusty and who thinks he's the greatest thing to happen to wrestling outside WWE. It's part of why I absolutely refuse to support anything AEW does at all. When did Cody ever act like a big shot,much less the greatest thing to happen in wrestling?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 18, 2019 16:35:22 GMT -5
Another vote for Brimstone, at least some of the other guys mentioned had something resembling a career, for better or for worse. What the hell has Brimstone ever done? an overlong Wikipedia entry where every minor thing he did means he did it professionally
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 13:25:42 GMT -5
Talked shit about 6,000 real stars; never drew a dime. He wasn’t as big as his own mind thought he was but he definitely was a big star in Florida. It’s funny that him and Greg Gagne came up with the plan to save wcw but that darn Bischoff stole it
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 13:27:13 GMT -5
Another vote for Brimstone, at least some of the other guys mentioned had something resembling a career, for better or for worse. What the hell has Brimstone ever done? A pair of custom wrestling boots?
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 19, 2019 15:49:29 GMT -5
Whenever Mike would show up on a WWE DVD he looked like a sad real life Dr Clayton Forrester And I'm pretty sure he only showed up when the job description was 'used to be involved in wrestling and will talk shit about people for money'. I guess there's no shortage of guys who fit that description, but I'm struggling to think of anything positive Mike Graham said about anyone, unless it was to contrast the person he was shitting on.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 19, 2019 16:04:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing Mike Graham was brought on by WWE as a favor to Dusty Rhodes or another legend they were using at the time.
I feel bad for Mike though, from hearing what his wife said that Mike felt since his father and his son committed suicide that Mike himself must have been a bad person to be around. That must be unbearable, and I guess for Mike it was, to have a parent and a child die due to suicide and probably feel that there was nothing you could do to prevent it or you just weren't good enough to make them want to live.
Another thing about Mike putting down certain wrestlers is that he was putting down wrestlers WWE needed or wanted him to put down at the time, like Jeff Jarrett. If Mike were still alive and WWE didn't need him and they were on good terms with a certain wrestler, they would be turning the tables to have someone like Jarrett put down Mike.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 19, 2019 21:01:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing Mike Graham was brought on by WWE as a favor to Dusty Rhodes or another legend they were using at the time. I feel bad for Mike though, from hearing what his wife said that Mike felt since his father and his son committed suicide that Mike himself must have been a bad person to be around. That must be unbearable, and I guess for Mike it was, to have a parent and a child die due to suicide and probably feel that there was nothing you could do to prevent it or you just weren't good enough to make them want to live. Another thing about Mike putting down certain wrestlers is that he was putting down wrestlers WWE needed or wanted him to put down at the time, like Jeff Jarrett. If Mike were still alive and WWE didn't need him and they were on good terms with a certain wrestler, they would be turning the tables to have someone like Jarrett put down Mike. When he had his head on straight, Mike was a great finish guy and agent for wcw, his downfall was that his feud with Malenko carried over to wcw and he became and enemy of Benoit and those other guys.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 19, 2019 21:47:13 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes. Sub-average guy who only got any of the chances he did in WWE because Dusty and who thinks he's the greatest thing to happen to wrestling outside WWE. It's part of why I absolutely refuse to support anything AEW does at all. Was NJPW also blinded by Dusty’s greatness when they brought Cody in and trusted him with being the face of their most popular stable?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 21, 2019 3:50:09 GMT -5
The thread begins and ends with Kevin Nash. The guy literally only has success because of more famous and talented friends.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 21, 2019 7:58:44 GMT -5
Honestly, anyone in wrestling who has an ego about being a Tough Guy. You're a drama nerd; accept it. Brock Ronda Benjamin Gable Ziggler (I think?) Lashley Riddle Off the top of my head have all competed at high levels of combat or grappling sports. Feel free to tell them they aren’t tough. And that’s without even getting to the 2 or 3 Gold Glove boxers on the roster, or the military veterans or the ones who don’t compete but are still well versed enough in martial arts to make you cry like they stole your My Little Pony doll.
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Post by illiniman88 on Apr 21, 2019 9:42:52 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes. Sub-average guy who only got any of the chances he did in WWE because Dusty and who thinks he's the greatest thing to happen to wrestling outside WWE. It's part of why I absolutely refuse to support anything AEW does at all. (stands and applauds)
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Apr 21, 2019 10:27:12 GMT -5
Cody Rhodes. Sub-average guy who only got any of the chances he did in WWE because Dusty and who thinks he's the greatest thing to happen to wrestling outside WWE. It's part of why I absolutely refuse to support anything AEW does at all. Was NJPW also blinded by Dusty’s greatness when they brought Cody in and trusted him with being the face of their most popular stable? Yes. That was the moment the Bullet Club went beyond jumping the shark.
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Post by realist on Apr 21, 2019 15:19:14 GMT -5
I'm guessing Mike Graham was brought on by WWE as a favor to Dusty Rhodes or another legend they were using at the time. I feel bad for Mike though, from hearing what his wife said that Mike felt since his father and his son committed suicide that Mike himself must have been a bad person to be around. That must be unbearable, and I guess for Mike it was, to have a parent and a child die due to suicide and probably feel that there was nothing you could do to prevent it or you just weren't good enough to make them want to live. Another thing about Mike putting down certain wrestlers is that he was putting down wrestlers WWE needed or wanted him to put down at the time, like Jeff Jarrett. If Mike were still alive and WWE didn't need him and they were on good terms with a certain wrestler, they would be turning the tables to have someone like Jarrett put down Mike. I agree. I make fun of Mike Graham because of his ridiculous stories on shoot interviews and WWE dvds. But what happened to him and his family is something that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 21, 2019 16:07:25 GMT -5
Mike Graham stated in a shoot how he was the mind behind no more clash of champions. Considering how awesome clashes were, I would say Mike is def. being truthful about that. I don't know anyone who would lie about killing something so loved by wrestling fans. Clashes were awesome. It was like getting a PPV for free every few months.
Someone also mentioned Kevin Nash a few posts up. I would say Kevin got over all by himself for the most part. People were cheering Kevin Nash/Diesel at the royal rumble. He wasn't really given a big push, if at all, before then. Heck, he was the first eliminated at the 1993 survivor series almost as if he were a Scott Casey or Sam Houston jobber. When the rumble cheering happened, WWF obviously knew they had something special on their hands. He may not have been a good draw as champ but it's not like WWF had much more to go with.
Also, he and Scott Hall made the n w o. Hogan may have created the name but Hall and Nash made the invasion angle work. If the invasion angle happened with any number of WWF guys coming over, or any WCW loyalists turning heel, it wouldn't have been as popular or famous. Even with Hogan, if he didn't have Hall or Nash, it would just be Hulk Hogan trying his "all black" phase like he did in late 1995 and that didn't get over. If no Hall and Nash, and you really can't have one without the other in n w o, then possibly no n w o and very little competition for WWF and perhaps WWF doesn't do all it takes to try and compete with WCW and perhaps they both go out of business.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Apr 21, 2019 16:51:59 GMT -5
Mike Graham stated in a shoot how he was the mind behind no more clash of champions. Considering how awesome clashes were, I would say Mike is def. being truthful about that. I don't know anyone who would lie about killing something so loved by wrestling fans. Clashes were awesome. It was like getting a PPV for free every few months. Someone also mentioned Kevin Nash a few posts up. I would say Kevin got over all by himself for the most part. People were cheering Kevin Nash/Diesel at the royal rumble. He wasn't really given a big push, if at all, before then. Heck, he was the first eliminated at the 1993 survivor series almost as if he were a Scott Casey or Sam Houston jobber. When the rumble cheering happened, WWF obviously knew they had something special on their hands. He may not have been a good draw as champ but it's not like WWF had much more to go with. Also, he and Scott Hall made the n w o. Hogan may have created the name but Hall and Nash made the invasion angle work. If the invasion angle happened with any number of WWF guys coming over, or any WCW loyalists turning heel, it wouldn't have been as popular or famous. Even with Hogan, if he didn't have Hall or Nash, it would just be Hulk Hogan trying his "all black" phase like he did in late 1995 and that didn't get over. If no Hall and Nash, and you really can't have one without the other in n w o, then possibly no n w o and very little competition for WWF and perhaps WWF doesn't do all it takes to try and compete with WCW and perhaps they both go out of business. Clashes were awesome but after the introduction of Nitro became redundant. There really was no point in doing them anymore. I think Graham was someone who came off like a goof for the most part but that's one thing I actually kind of agree with him with. Also the last couple of Clashes weren't even that good and came off as less of a big deal. I remember going to the second last Clash and it wasn't a good show and on top of it had very little star power on it. There was a really good Dean Malenko/Ultimo Dragon Cruiserweight title match with a title change followed by about 10 straight extended squash matches and then a subpar main event of Luger against Scott Hall. Hardly a PPV type show to say the least.
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