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Post by oneday on Apr 16, 2019 0:04:12 GMT -5
promo was fine. match was ok
it's a fine filler feud. would be fine if the WWE could do a side feud like Mandy vs Naomi, but oh well. She'll get a few weeks with Becky and then drop down the card to hopefully something more her level.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:18:28 GMT -5
I kinda feel bad for her being terrible on national tv is a hard one to overcome and starting at the top of the division does nobody any favors including Becky who’s reign has kicked off poorly where she “beats” Ronda but not really and the announcers focus more on Ronda not really being pinned than the fact that Becky the supposed new female megastar just won the 1st ever women’s main event at mania winning both titles then the next night they just act like becky won clean with no controversy and she’s feuding with Lacey who’s not ready its a poor way to start a title run and something that wwe loves to do when the fans pick someone and they feel forced to push them but they don’t want it to work.
The Lacey thing reminds me of Dana Brooke because in NXT HHH loved Dana because of her fitness background she had 1 good match(her only good match)with Asuka he felt Dana had improved leaps and bounds not realizing it was all asuka they called up Dana to the main roster reports were that Vince didn’t see much in Dana but HHH was super high on her so vince let HHH try something with her so soon after getting called up he put her with Charlotte with the idea they’d break up before the next mania and face eachother for the title it didn’t work and vince pulled the plug they did the mania angle on a episode of raw it didn’t get over and the match sucked and Dana has never recovered.
What’s even more startling is Lacey has been working Nattie since like december in dark matches and houseshows and they still can’t have a decent match and that moonsault looks like crap and a struggle everytime she tries it just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should especially when it looks terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 0:49:20 GMT -5
But that’s for Natalya to worry about. So it's okay for a wrestler to injure another wrestler as long as it's a wrestler that you like so you forgive them for doing that? I like Natalya too. But like I said, these are trained athletes and this sort of thing is taken on the chin. It always baffles me to see fans giving wrestlers hate cause they accidentally did a move wrong. It’s live TV and nobody said it was easy... Shit happens. I’m going back to Nia breaking Becky’s face and all the heat she got for it. I don’t remember Rollins getting as much hate when he broke Cena’s nose... and yet they were exactly the same injury. One was met with “Oh it’s an accident” and the other was met with “FIRE HER. SHES DANGEROUS” There was nothing wrong with the moonsault. Infact it looked awesome. Shane literally busted Miz open with a punch tonight... but let’s go clutching for straws cause Lacey’s moonsault wasn’t 100% on point. Wait are you seriously trying to claim everyone's just being unfair to Lacey and out to get her by offering up the counterpoint of Shane McMahon's punches, which have been several assorted kinds of absolute jokes for a decade? Nah I’m merely pointing out that a bigger botch happened tonight. And those jokes about Shane’s punches are usually about how they DON’T connect... well, he connected tonight. Lacey didn’t execute the moonsault 100% but it still didn’t look bad and to my knowledge Natalya wasn’t injured. So it’s a non-topic as far as I’m concerned
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 16, 2019 0:49:28 GMT -5
Thats inexcusable. A real professional would never screw up like that. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
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Post by schma on Apr 16, 2019 0:52:24 GMT -5
I only saw the recap of the match and it seemed alright apart from that brutal moonsault. I wasn't even paying full attention and I cringed at how she landed on Natalya.
I really want Lacey to show me something good.
Her work against Becky on twitter has been a breath of fresh air but her booking has done her no favours. She should have been wrestling matches for the past two months instead of walking ramps.
She needs some work on her promos, in her backstage one she even had a line that was something like 'I have proven myself walking those ramps week after week and by what I did to Natalya today". You proved yourself by walking ramps? Get the f*** outta here.
Her promo where she convinced the McMahons to allow her a chance at a title shot made little sense considering her character is a "proper" woman. I know she's a heel so she's meant to be somewhat hypocritical but the innuendos did her zero favours.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 16, 2019 1:05:15 GMT -5
Ok, as someone training as a wrestler right now, let me throw my input in there.
When you leap on top of an opponent for any move, 95% of the time, you’re supposed to leave enough of a gap and not go full on so your opponent has wiggle room to either breathe afterwards or move quickly if they were to counter it, thus you arc yourself as much as you can to not land full into the chest.
Lacey botched the moonsault.
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Post by KobashiChop on Apr 16, 2019 1:10:50 GMT -5
The company is promoting women solely on their look or nepotism as well in Nias case and I cant see any justifiable counterargument to that.
The Horsewomen got the call on the back of the Give Divas a Chance thing because they had too much buzz so it was the perfect scenario to pretend that they were advocates for womens wrestling and not just looking to milk a new stream of revenue in fans who were now willing to take women seriously.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 16, 2019 1:23:33 GMT -5
Thats inexcusable. A real professional would never screw up like that. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) Definitely wouldn’t screw it up 3 times in a row!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 16, 2019 1:38:53 GMT -5
Thats inexcusable. A real professional would never screw up like that. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) An experienced and established wrestler getting accustomed to a ring she's never worked in before, which dimension-wise has been a factor for a lot of people making the transition before is and is currently in developmental to get adjusted definitely comparable to someone on the main roster who's in a title feud. There isn't nearly as much proof for people that Lacey can go and should be in the spot as there is for Io.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 16, 2019 1:48:10 GMT -5
Same question I had about the Rumble botches:
Who is telling her to do these spots and why?
Her thing in NXT was being a big, strong woman, those are her strengths. Basic moves, power moves, strikes etc.
Who is getting her to do more acrobatic stuff that has never been her style and she can't do?
Kip-ups, springboard moonsaults, you don't have the power wrestler try to bust those out regularly, maybe once in a blue moon for a pop.
If she stuck to the basics she'd be a lot better off because, at least at this point, that's her wheelhouse.
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Post by schma on Apr 16, 2019 2:12:51 GMT -5
Same question I had about the Rumble botches: Who is telling her to do these spots and why? Her thing in NXT was being a big, strong woman, those are her strengths. Basic moves, power moves, strikes etc. Who is getting her to do more acrobatic stuff that has never been her style and she can't do? Kip-ups, springboard moonsaults, you don't have the power wrestler try to bust those out regularly, maybe once in a blue moon for a pop. If she stuck to the basics she'd be a lot better off because, at least at this point, that's her wheelhouse. It may be due to the Charlotte comparisons. Both are big strong women and athletic but Charlotte throws her moonsault to the outside into almost every match. I suspect it may be that someone is telling her to do that so that the audience buys that she's on that level.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 16, 2019 2:58:16 GMT -5
I don't want some sloppy rookie in there with Becky, and they shouldn't either. I get what they want, but Becky is your top merch mover and shouldn't be in the ring with someone who just crushed Nattie.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 16, 2019 3:31:57 GMT -5
As long as Becky doesn't get the blame if the matches aren't any good, then I just hope they get through this Lacey Evans thing and then move on to someone else.
Perhaps they should take the opportunity to have Becky feuding with two people at once - one on Raw, one on Smackdown - and see which feud takes off enough to get a PPV match. I nominate Nikki Cross as Becky's first Smackdown challenger.
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Post by schma on Apr 16, 2019 4:10:40 GMT -5
I don't want some sloppy rookie in there with Becky, and they shouldn't either. I get what they want, but Becky is your top merch mover and shouldn't be in the ring with someone who just crushed Nattie. Holy crap, is Lacey the monkey paw for the wish of Becky not feuding with Nia?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 16, 2019 4:45:35 GMT -5
I don't want some sloppy rookie in there with Becky, and they shouldn't either. I get what they want, but Becky is your top merch mover and shouldn't be in the ring with someone who just crushed Nattie. Holy crap, is Lacey the monkey paw for the wish of Becky not feuding with Nia? More like for not wanting her to feud with Asuka for WrestleMania. That was a double monkey because then Asuka lost her title altogether and ended up in the battle royal.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 16, 2019 4:49:04 GMT -5
Eh, the moonsault was bad but I still really like her otherwise. Just stick to the punch.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 16, 2019 4:55:01 GMT -5
The company is promoting women solely on their look or nepotism as well in Nias case and I cant see any justifiable counterargument to that. The Horsewomen got the call on the back of the Give Divas a Chance thing because they had too much buzz so it was the perfect scenario to pretend that they were advocates for womens wrestling and not just looking to milk a new stream of revenue in fans who were now willing to take women seriously. It might go for the look thing, but people are under some industrial strength delusion if they think Nia wouldn't be used even if she wasn't related to the Rock. She's honestly no worse than Chyna, and leagues better than Nicole Bass. A woman who is like 6 inches or more taller than almost every woman under their employ is going to get pushed, that's just a reality of wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 4:57:57 GMT -5
I don't want some sloppy rookie in there with Becky, and they shouldn't either. I get what they want, but Becky is your top merch mover and shouldn't be in the ring with someone who just crushed Nattie. It's a fair point. I'm cool with the feud, but if she's still botching in the coming weeks then I'm going to have to think again about this. Especially given Becky's history.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 16, 2019 4:59:59 GMT -5
Same question I had about the Rumble botches: Who is telling her to do these spots and why? Her thing in NXT was being a big, strong woman, those are her strengths. Basic moves, power moves, strikes etc. Who is getting her to do more acrobatic stuff that has never been her style and she can't do? Kip-ups, springboard moonsaults, you don't have the power wrestler try to bust those out regularly, maybe once in a blue moon for a pop. If she stuck to the basics she'd be a lot better off because, at least at this point, that's her wheelhouse. I actually think it would be better for her character if she kept to the power stuff. Ex-military, knows how to fight and defend herself properly and with poise. All these women flipping around and jumping about need to calm down and behave themselves, jumping up onto things is what unruly children do. There, I've successfully written out an explanation that grounds her and lets her cut some heel promos on agile opponents. There's absolutely no guidance from the agents to work their matches in-character or to their strengths as a performer at all, they just kind of have people doing whatever.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 16, 2019 5:09:39 GMT -5
I was impressed with everything about the moonsault until she landed right on Nattie's ribs. That ain't great, no way to call it anything other than a mess. Not saying it never happens even to veterans, it does, but it does make me wary of her using that move going forward, given her inexperience.
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