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Post by friendship frog on Apr 20, 2019 19:11:23 GMT -5
I'm watching RAW in late 1997, the show before Bad Blood, first Hell In A Cell. Shawn says something along the lines of "here's your chance now Triple H, say what you have been waiting for!"
And my god, it is genuinely one of the worst promos I've ever heard. NXT Season 2 level.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 21:05:51 GMT -5
In general he has flashes, like his Rock ladder match, but I don't think Triple H was really worth a shit until the 2000 Foley feud.
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Post by The Barber on Apr 20, 2019 21:33:48 GMT -5
In general he has flashes, like his Rock ladder match, but I don't think Triple H was really worth a shit until the 2000 Foley feud. To me, he started to fall well before that. The peak was the Armageddon PPV where he and Steph aligned. The McMahon-Helmsley Era was not a good one.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 22, 2019 12:49:00 GMT -5
He wasn't really good at all until mid to late '99.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 22, 2019 13:19:51 GMT -5
What's funny is how much people forget Triple H was an internet darling up until the end of 99 or so. People wanted him in the main event scene BAD.
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Post by Gummydavidson on Apr 22, 2019 16:58:08 GMT -5
1997 was pretty rough for him.
He had some awful matches on Raw especially when he they let him main event now and again.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 25, 2019 7:36:27 GMT -5
In general he has flashes, like his Rock ladder match, but I don't think Triple H was really worth a shit until the 2000 Foley feud. This is super accurate. It wasn't until 2000 that Triple H really felt like he became great.
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Post by auph10imitated on Apr 26, 2019 10:21:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed him during the Goldust feud in 1997, and that was soley due to the addition of Chyna and how outrageous t was to see such a monstrous female bodyguard.
I then enjoyed his face DX run from May 1998-March 1999, even though he was probably a bit old to be playing the juvenile delinquent, I was 14 at the time so found it cool.
I enjoyed the Stephanie McMahon Helmsely era and his 2000 run, bar the excessive long promos to start the show.
But anything post 2002 babyface return sucked IMO.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 26, 2019 10:56:03 GMT -5
HHH is someone because his spot in the WWE is the only real reason why he tries to make everyone believe it the GOAT or at that same level as an Austin, Rock, Hogan, and ext. HHH has only had flashes of being good at best. He can have a great match with the right guy mainly carrying him but most times when he in the role of carrying someone, he never could do it. His promo skills are not anything great. His known 20 min ramblings its like you just want to say "When you stand there go on and on about whatever, have a point. It's much more enjoyable for the listener." The guy tone when he speaks is just so bland a lot of times. Late 99 to 01 yes he was the best heel in the company and peaked. Since he quad, he only had spots of greatness.
It's bad now that he still tries to work a 30 min match and they always been mostly boring. The Tag match he had with Angle and Rhonda was the last match he has really had that I felt entertained since HIAC with Taker. His matches with Brock where ok but over booked.
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Post by KobashiChop on Apr 27, 2019 0:10:39 GMT -5
My only recent viewing of old school HHH is the built to Mania 17 from the Rumble onwards and tbh hes the f***ing man. Hes just the most detestable shitbag on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 5:40:00 GMT -5
I enjoyed Triple H until he came back in 2002.
The reign of terror turned me off wrestling.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 27, 2019 7:29:38 GMT -5
Trips came into his own '99 forward, but I dug some stuff earlier than that, like basically any matches he had with Foley. Those two always had a lot of chemistry.
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Post by horseface on Apr 27, 2019 9:33:03 GMT -5
HHH is someone because his spot in the WWE is the only real reason why he tries to make everyone believe it the GOAT or at that same level as an Austin, Rock, Hogan, and ext. HHH has only had flashes of being good at best. He can have a great match with the right guy mainly carrying him but most times when he in the role of carrying someone, he never could do it. His promo skills are not anything great. His known 20 min ramblings its like you just want to say "When you stand there go on and on about whatever, have a point. It's much more enjoyable for the listener." The guy tone when he speaks is just so bland a lot of times. Late 99 to 01 yes he was the best heel in the company and peaked. Since he quad, he only had spots of greatness. It's bad now that he still tries to work a 30 min match and they always been mostly boring. The Tag match he had with Angle and Rhonda was the last match he has really had that I felt entertained since HIAC with Taker. His matches with Brock where ok but over booked. One of the most damning things about his career is that for all the mic time he got he really never did anything memorable with it(for the right reasons anyway). All those other guys have career promo highlights and everything but nobody is like "hey watch this HHH promo it's great/funny". He's not a stupid guy or even untalented, just doesn't have the same big personality like those other guys did but he desperately wants to.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 27, 2019 9:36:35 GMT -5
His circa 2000 heel promos were fantastic when he had Foley of The Rock to work with and his goofy DX stuff in 1998 was great in its on way as well. But the earlier stuff? Man. And keep in mind his late 1997 heel DX promos are still 10,000 times better than his faux blue blood 1996 promos.
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Post by bmfjules on Apr 27, 2019 16:48:38 GMT -5
What's funny is how much people forget Triple H was an internet darling up until the end of 99 or so. People wanted him in the main event scene BAD. Half of the current IWC wasn't born or were too young to type/read at the time, so not so much forgetting as not knowing in the first place.
If I had a time machine (where I could change everything back to normal after tinkering around a bit) I would like to see how it would have worked out if HHH never turns on DX and joins the corporation.
Would babyface HHH (as the leader of DX) have drawn as champ in 98/99? And then what do you do with Austin and Rock?
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Apr 27, 2019 17:41:32 GMT -5
What's funny is how much people forget Triple H was an internet darling up until the end of 99 or so. People wanted him in the main event scene BAD. Half of the current IWC wasn't born or were too young to type/read at the time, so not so much forgetting as not knowing in the first place. If I had a time machine (where I could change everything back to normal after tinkering around a bit) I would like to see how it would have worked out if HHH never turns on DX and joins the corporation.
Would babyface HHH (as the leader of DX) have drawn as champ in 98/99? And then what do you do with Austin and Rock?
I can't see that iteration of him getting any more than a transitional reign in 99. He was pretty much an upper mid-carder that you could believably slot into a main event, but not a full-fledged main eventer.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 27, 2019 18:29:36 GMT -5
What's funny is how much people forget Triple H was an internet darling up until the end of 99 or so. People wanted him in the main event scene BAD. His main event heel run in 2000 was over huge because he was still the heel champion in a babyface booked promotion and he had these epic match Foley, Rock and later Austin. It was after his heel turn in 2002 when he and the creative decided that working like Nick Bockwinkel in a company where most of the fan base didn't know who that was and a fan base that didn't want to see heel booked territory that the Triple H hatred really started. The problem was it wasn't "we hate you" heat it was "this is boring the crap out of us" heat. Because there really hadn't been a transition from the brawling over the top main event style main events of the Attitude Era to the grab a hold and get the heat style Triple H wanted to bring back.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 27, 2019 22:05:54 GMT -5
I started to really like Triple H in 1998 when he turned face and started having epic feuds with The Rock (along with the whole feud between DX and the Nation and then later the Corporation when Rock joined there). That was when the midcard actually felt like it mattered instead of being filler for the main event. And then you had his heel work in 1999 and 2000 where he worked great with Foley, Austin, and Rock. The Two Man Power Trip team with Austin was incredible, too. It's a damn shame he missed most of 2001 with the quad injury because I think the time was opportunity was there for him to come into his own as a top face as a part of the WWF faction in the Invasion angle. Granted, I don't think he would've saved that angle in the slightest and his Hero's Welcome moment in 2002 MSG was a HUGE moment in his career, but at least he would've made it a little more interesting. I think the feud between him and Stephanie and Jericho in 2002 was a condensed version of what could've been.
And then yeah, the Reign of Terror. That was rough.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 28, 2019 3:29:44 GMT -5
HHH is someone because his spot in the WWE is the only real reason why he tries to make everyone believe it the GOAT or at that same level as an Austin, Rock, Hogan, and ext. HHH has only had flashes of being good at best. He can have a great match with the right guy mainly carrying him but most times when he in the role of carrying someone, he never could do it. His promo skills are not anything great. His known 20 min ramblings its like you just want to say "When you stand there go on and on about whatever, have a point. It's much more enjoyable for the listener." The guy tone when he speaks is just so bland a lot of times. Late 99 to 01 yes he was the best heel in the company and peaked. Since he quad, he only had spots of greatness. It's bad now that he still tries to work a 30 min match and they always been mostly boring. The Tag match he had with Angle and Rhonda was the last match he has really had that I felt entertained since HIAC with Taker. His matches with Brock where ok but over booked. One of the most damning things about his career is that for all the mic time he got he really never did anything memorable with it(for the right reasons anyway). All those other guys have career promo highlights and everything but nobody is like "hey watch this HHH promo it's great/funny". He's not a stupid guy or even untalented, just doesn't have the same big personality like those other guys did but he desperately wants to. True, there not what you call an Iconic promo he did. Yes he had some good ones, He held his own with Rock, Austin, and Foley when he had them to work off of, but when he is the guy that is supposed to carry he falls flat. He just not as good as he claims to be. People rank Champions in different levels. Who was the best to worst. HHH always to me was around that middle area. You have that level where Austin, Hogan, Rock, and Cena are who are known big draws. Than you have you Foley, Taker, and ext. HHH is that level where Bret and so forth are. Not known as the biggest draws but not the worst either. He above Diesel for example, he middle ground.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 28, 2019 12:47:15 GMT -5
He was cutting good heel promos to get heat because Paul Levesque is a fan of guys like Nick Bockwinkel and Harley Race who cut those kind of promos. In itself those guys aren't bad choices to base your career on. The problem as I stated earlier was that the WWE fans we used to being in a babyface booked territory where heat was a minimum and the wrestling heels would do a short run with the top face before moving down the card. Then without any period of transition Triple H changed it to a heel booked territory with lots of heat and the babyfaces rarely going over.
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