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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 8, 2021 0:09:47 GMT -5
Didn't they take Nomura off for Part 2? He’s in a leading position of the entire FFVII franchise. Which is why I can't help but think that at some point this remake is going to go massively off the rails. >_> They've managed to hold back Nomura from Nomuring TOO much
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2021 0:18:39 GMT -5
He’s in a leading position of the entire FFVII franchise. Which is why I can't help but think that at some point this remake is going to go massively off the rails. >_> They've managed to hold back Nomura from Nomuring TOO much The Over/Under from the release of the game to whatever it finally finishes is 10 years for me I'm going on the Over If we counted from when FF7R got announced, it would go way over
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 8, 2021 8:07:35 GMT -5
He’s in a leading position of the entire FFVII franchise. Which is why I can't help but think that at some point this remake is going to go massively off the rails. >_> They've managed to hold back Nomura from Nomuring TOO much that's my big concern. he already made a bunch of changes. Squenix should just give people what they want in this case instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2021 8:49:42 GMT -5
Which is why I can't help but think that at some point this remake is going to go massively off the rails. >_> They've managed to hold back Nomura from Nomuring TOO much that's my big concern. he already made a bunch of changes. Squenix should just give people what they want in this case instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. In fairness, I want 3 big parts I like what they are doing, just don't take a decade doing it
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 8, 2021 18:06:01 GMT -5
that's my big concern. he already made a bunch of changes. Squenix should just give people what they want in this case instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. In fairness, I want 3 big parts I like what they are doing, just don't take a decade doing it I mean multiple games is fine by me but it's like... you had this super easy job, just remake the original game mostly verbatim. But instead it looks like he might take the subsequent games in this borderline fan fiction direction, which I'm not crazy about.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2021 19:44:32 GMT -5
In fairness, I want 3 big parts I like what they are doing, just don't take a decade doing it I mean multiple games is fine by me but it's like... you had this super easy job, just remake the original game mostly verbatim. But instead it looks like he might take the subsequent games in this borderline fan fiction direction, which I'm not crazy about. I don't mind the direction as it more a reimagining than a full on change from the source but we still have time to see if they do a whole bunch of shit diff From way I see it, they are going to hit the same story beats but with some different results and/or actions Somewhat akin to Walking Dead between comic and TV but hopefully they don't stray too far like they did on the show like killing Carl for no f***ing reason when he was about to have his big story arc
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 8, 2021 21:29:26 GMT -5
I mean multiple games is fine by me but it's like... you had this super easy job, just remake the original game mostly verbatim. But instead it looks like he might take the subsequent games in this borderline fan fiction direction, which I'm not crazy about. I don't mind the direction as it more a reimagining than a full on change from the source but we still have time to see if they do a whole bunch of shit diff From way I see it, they are going to hit the same story beats but with some different results and/or actions Somewhat akin to Walking Dead between comic and TV but hopefully they don't stray too far like they did on the show like killing Carl for no f***ing reason when he was about to have his big story arc I don't mind the IDEA of them playing with the idea of a Final Fantasy 7 Remake... it's just I don't trust Nomura not to Nomura all over it and make it a bunch of nonsensical overlapping pseudointellectual bull that is really mostly gibberish...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2021 21:41:04 GMT -5
I don't mind the direction as it more a reimagining than a full on change from the source but we still have time to see if they do a whole bunch of shit diff From way I see it, they are going to hit the same story beats but with some different results and/or actions Somewhat akin to Walking Dead between comic and TV but hopefully they don't stray too far like they did on the show like killing Carl for no f***ing reason when he was about to have his big story arc I don't mind the IDEA of them playing with the idea of a Final Fantasy 7 Remake... it's just I don't trust Nomura not to Nomura all over it and make it a bunch of nonsensical overlapping pseudointellectual bull that is really mostly gibberish... Nomura is a habitual line stepper and everyone rightfully fears he is going to "Kingdom Hearts it" by taking an established story and doing what he wants with it instead of just tinkering with the tools he got You know he is waiting to give Sephiroth a big speech that is going to be mysterious gibberish
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Post by Cyno on May 8, 2021 23:01:05 GMT -5
Apparently Gackt doesn't want them using Genesis anymore. So unless he has a massive redesign where he doesn't look like Gacktaroth anymore, don't have to worry about his corny ass stinking up the place.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2021 5:39:46 GMT -5
Yeah, like, I'd honestly have been let down if the first game was just a shot-for-shot remake and they just went with what happened in the original. The way that game ended, as I watched my brother play it, has me way more invested in the entire series than if it just went the same way. There's just so much more you can play around with and do to make it, well, different from the original. I get it from a purist standpoint but I just wouldn't be able to vibe with it in that sense. You're remaking it, put your stamp on it and try new things with it, you have the opportunity. On the other hand, I do have the same concerns A Platypus Rave has with Nomura at a helm. Like, I don't want him expecting people to play the phone version fo the game and going "There are really important aspects for the next game in this one" or some of the other nonsense that turned Kingdom Hearts into...whatever the f*** Kingdom Hearts is now. Basically, if we get a rhythm game where Aerith is in a coma and the rest of them fly through memories and there's barely any plot besides that, the franchise is beyond anyone's control.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 5:58:19 GMT -5
Honestly I'm kind of the perspective that it's not like FF7 has a lot to ruin anyway? The game itself is great, sure, that plot holds up fine, but you have its incredibly unsatisfying abrupt stop of an ending, Advent Children is a pretty shitty follow-up, Crisis Core introduced a bunch of stupid retcons, it's not like anyone especially cares about the rest of the sub-franchise, and at this point other properties the characters have appeared in have basically condensed the whole thing down to, "Cloud mopes, Aerith is the best, Sephiroth is obsessed with Cloud." If the Remake winds up being too stupid for its own good then really just add it to the pile, at least it's trying something kind of different and trying to get the characters back to being three-dimensional.
Sidenote why the f*** do they call the series a compilation when it's never actually been compiled?
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Post by dav on May 10, 2021 6:01:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have been happy with how the game was shaping up to be, giving the original much more depth and scale, expanding on the setting and characters while adding more to the gameplay as well. Nomura just seems to have given in his urges to fill everything knee-deep with overly complex nonsense that goes nowhere. He's already made a start on it and I'm not getting my hopes up that he'll reign it in for the next one.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2021 6:05:31 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have been happy with how the game was shaping up to be, giving the original much more depth and scale, expanding on the setting and characters while adding more to the gameplay as well. Nomura just seems to have given in his urges to fill everything knee-deep with overly complex nonsense that goes nowhere. He's already made a start on it and I'm not getting my hopes up that he'll reign it in for the next one. I'm slightly more hopeful because he isn't THE guy at the top nor is he working closely with the FF7R team but more towards stuff like the battle royale game, the mobile game and whatever else. Like, considering he's pretty much full speed with Kingdom Hearts where he's got this ridiculous decade-long plan or whatever the f*** he has in store, I don't think he'll have that much influence in FF7R itself.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 6:07:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have been happy with how the game was shaping up to be, giving the original much more depth and scale, expanding on the setting and characters while adding more to the gameplay as well. Nomura just seems to have given in his urges to fill everything knee-deep with overly complex nonsense that goes nowhere. He's already made a start on it and I'm not getting my hopes up that he'll reign it in for the next one. I'm slightly more hopeful because he isn't THE guy at the top nor is he working closely with the FF7R team but more towards stuff like the battle royale game, the mobile game and whatever else. Like, considering he's pretty much full speed with Kingdom Hearts where he's got this ridiculous decade-long plan or whatever the f*** he has in store, I don't think he'll have that much influence in FF7R itself. While I don't really have a high opinion of Nomura to begin with, I get the sense Versus 13 broke him. With the way it spent ages in development hell before they eventually had to kick him off of it to get it out the damn door and he immediately turned around and crowbarred it into Kingdom Hearts 3, it just feels like it's his Thief and the Cobbler that he'll continually work on but never actually finish.
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Post by dav on May 10, 2021 6:14:12 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have been happy with how the game was shaping up to be, giving the original much more depth and scale, expanding on the setting and characters while adding more to the gameplay as well. Nomura just seems to have given in his urges to fill everything knee-deep with overly complex nonsense that goes nowhere. He's already made a start on it and I'm not getting my hopes up that he'll reign it in for the next one. I'm slightly more hopeful because he isn't THE guy at the top nor is he working closely with the FF7R team but more towards stuff like the battle royale game, the mobile game and whatever else. Like, considering he's pretty much full speed with Kingdom Hearts where he's got this ridiculous decade-long plan or whatever the f*** he has in store, I don't think he'll have that much influence in FF7R itself. Here's hoping. Although considering the issues KH's story had with putting story information in mobile games and spreading it across different formats, one can only hope it's a habit he's kicked.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 6:16:49 GMT -5
I'm slightly more hopeful because he isn't THE guy at the top nor is he working closely with the FF7R team but more towards stuff like the battle royale game, the mobile game and whatever else. Like, considering he's pretty much full speed with Kingdom Hearts where he's got this ridiculous decade-long plan or whatever the f*** he has in store, I don't think he'll have that much influence in FF7R itself. Here's hoping. Although considering the issues KH's story had with putting story information in mobile games and spreading it across different formats, one can only hope it's a habit he's kicked. I can pinpoint the exact moment I stopped caring about Kingdom Hearts' plot to the Organization vs. Maleficent at Radiant Garden scene in KH2. I subsequently had the opinion of, "KH2 should be the end of Sora's story, this resolution is fine," and once it was announced, "Why in the f*** should I care about Birth by Sleep when it's a prequel entirely rooted in characters introduced in a Japan-only re-release?" and everything the franchise has done since has vindicated me on those opinions at every turn.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2021 6:19:55 GMT -5
I'm slightly more hopeful because he isn't THE guy at the top nor is he working closely with the FF7R team but more towards stuff like the battle royale game, the mobile game and whatever else. Like, considering he's pretty much full speed with Kingdom Hearts where he's got this ridiculous decade-long plan or whatever the f*** he has in store, I don't think he'll have that much influence in FF7R itself. Here's hoping. Although considering the issues KH's story had with putting story information in mobile games and spreading it across different formats, one can only hope it's a habit he's kicked. Honestly, even with the games being way more accessible then they ever have been (the Kingdom Hearts pack with all the games so far is still on sale on the PSN store as a matter of fact), we really don't talk about how insane that was. Not even just other home consoles but freaking handhelds? And Mobile? And it was ALL canon? What? Like, we live in a much friendlier game world where stuff can be on separate formats and accessible to more people so that doesn't make sense from a marketing standpoint but still.
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2021 6:22:47 GMT -5
Here's hoping. Although considering the issues KH's story had with putting story information in mobile games and spreading it across different formats, one can only hope it's a habit he's kicked. I can pinpoint the exact moment I stopped caring about Kingdom Hearts' plot to the Organization vs. Maleficent at Radiant Garden scene in KH2. I subsequently had the opinion of, "KH2 should be the end of Sora's story, this resolution is fine," and once it was announced, "Why in the f*** should I care about Birth by Sleep when it's a prequel entirely rooted in characters introduced in a Japan-only re-release?" and everything the franchise has done since has vindicated me on those opinions at every turn. With how stingy Disney have been about how their characters have been associated (they didn't want Grogu in too much of the Simpsons Star Wars tribute short on Disney+), it still boggles my mind that they looked at how Kingdom Hearts went and thought "Yeah, this is completely fine. No problems here".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 10, 2021 6:24:00 GMT -5
Here's hoping. Although considering the issues KH's story had with putting story information in mobile games and spreading it across different formats, one can only hope it's a habit he's kicked. Honestly, even with the games being way more accessible then they ever have been (the Kingdom Hearts pack with all the games so far is still on sale on the PSN store as a matter of fact), we really don't talk about how insane that was. Not even just other home consoles but freaking handhelds? And Mobile? And it was ALL canon? What? Like, we live in a much friendlier game world where stuff can be on separate formats and accessible to more people so that doesn't make sense from a marketing standpoint but still. Without the Wiki, you would have no f***ing clue what is going on with Kingdom Hearts franchise
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Post by eJm on May 10, 2021 6:26:48 GMT -5
Honestly, even with the games being way more accessible then they ever have been (the Kingdom Hearts pack with all the games so far is still on sale on the PSN store as a matter of fact), we really don't talk about how insane that was. Not even just other home consoles but freaking handhelds? And Mobile? And it was ALL canon? What? Like, we live in a much friendlier game world where stuff can be on separate formats and accessible to more people so that doesn't make sense from a marketing standpoint but still. Without the Wiki, you would have no f***ing clue what is going on with Kingdom Hearts franchise I watched all the "A Good Enough Summary of Kingdom Hearts" videos so many times because they're hilarious and still have no idea.
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