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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 21, 2019 10:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on May 21, 2019 12:54:11 GMT -5
I wasn't originally going to post in this because it felt like I'd be listing stuff I've said other places but then thinking about it on a walk I took, I realised the biggest issue I have;
The need to not add to the stories you tell.
Take Brock Lesnar winning MITB. Was it dumb? Yes, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about what happened afterwards.
So throughout the night, they hype the fact Sami was tied up and hung upside down by someone so wouldn't make it to the MITB match. Fine. Heck, even having Lesnar come in at the last minute is fine if that was the intention of making people think Braun did it because Brock was doing it for his own means.
So how did they address this mystery on Raw? Did they say Brock happened to be there and HHH needed a replacement so got him out there? Did they say Heyman wanted a rematch for his client but HHH told him of the "No Rematch" clause so beat up Sami to make HHH put him in the MITB match? Was it an abuse of power on HHH's part who sent hired goons to take out Sami to make it seem like Braun did it?
Nope. They did none of those things. What they did was absolutely nothing.
Heyman called it "conspiracy theories", neither champion addressed Brock walking in and winning a match with no effort on his part, HHH even came out and said nothing about it even thought HE'D be the guy who'd most know the reason outside of Vince in kayfabe.
I get it, writing stories is hard. But if you're going to tell a story and not follow through...why should I care since you obviously don't? Why get invested when you're not even going to answer simple questions that the audience would ask?
It's hard to give a shit if it feels like nobody involved outside of the workers give a shit.
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Post by stevec484 on May 21, 2019 12:56:12 GMT -5
the overall stale/fake presentation
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on May 21, 2019 13:25:24 GMT -5
To expand on my one above (Mr. Money in the Bank). It's that every little thing has to be codified and comodified.
So the MitB example. The winner wasn't always officially called Mr. Money in the Bank, right? It was just a cute nickname someone came up with at some stage for the MitB winner. But on Monday f***ing world destroyer Brock Lesnar was actually announced as Mr. Money in the Bank. It's just so lame.
The winner of this MUST be referred to as this. Roman Reigns comes out, you MUST say "THE BIG DAAAAWG". Every little thing is just so codified that there's no room for fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 16:09:26 GMT -5
If we're including all the stuff related to Saudi Arabia, the behind the scene Vince stuff that we know is out there, the Ashley Massaro reports, everything heinous like that? Then obviously that. Vince should have been taken down decades ago but he's still somehow sliding through. Storylines, characters, bad programming is one thing but that type of stuff is another new ballgame that goes beyond my personal feelings towards what's on screen. That's morals.
If we're not counting that then it's a tie between storylines/character and presentation. It doesn't feel any different than 2012 right now to me and that's a problem. It's like the same show but they keep switching out actors to play the same characters you're used to.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on May 21, 2019 16:24:47 GMT -5
The commentary is the drizzling shits and makes a great match unwatchable...CALL THE DAMN ACTION!!!
Also, Vince’s pettiness.....The LA ENOOOOOOOOOOOOOS incident was what made me lose immediate interest in them.
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Post by Muskrat on May 21, 2019 16:33:46 GMT -5
Nothing. If I outrighted hated anything about WWE product, I wouldn’t watch it. My time is way to valuable to wasted on anything that I don’t enjoy
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 21, 2019 17:10:14 GMT -5
To expand on my one above (Mr. Money in the Bank). It's that every little thing has to be codified and comodified. So the MitB example. The winner wasn't always officially called Mr. Money in the Bank, right? It was just a cute nickname someone came up with at some stage for the MitB winner. But on Monday f***ing world destroyer Brock Lesnar was actually announced as Mr. Money in the Bank. It's just so lame. The winner of this MUST be referred to as this. Roman Reigns comes out, you MUST say "THE BIG DAAAAWG". Every little thing is just so codified that there's no room for fun. Oh no...Brock isn't "Mr. Money in the Bank." He's the even lamer, "Beast in the Bank." Which makes NO sense. The guaranteed contract is the "money." Not the person holding it. Same as when Braun was the "Monster in the Bank." God, please stop being so corny.
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Post by nisidhe on May 21, 2019 21:49:57 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that WWE will not be able to survive Vince's death; I also can't help but feel that Vince's ultimate aim is to take out not only WWE, but the entire pro wrestling industry, along with him. At least, that was his goal until that pesky Runnels kid made friends with someone with more money than Vince can make and who loves the business.
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Post by Evil Homer on May 21, 2019 23:58:17 GMT -5
Michael Cole over everything thing else
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 22, 2019 1:42:42 GMT -5
The way WWE pigeonholes itself. Like turning match concepts such as MitB and the Elimination Chamber in their own PPV's. Making Survivor Series into Raw vs Smackdown. Having the Rumble winner get a title shot.
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