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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 20, 2019 12:16:26 GMT -5
Umm, sure Cole, but what does that have to do with a guy having his foot on a rope while being pinned?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 20, 2019 12:21:37 GMT -5
This is why we need Renee to go into business for herself.
Cole: "THERE'S NO DQ IN A STEEL CAGE MATCH!"
Renee: "Do you ever listen to yourself when you talk?"
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 20, 2019 12:24:25 GMT -5
They’ve clearly lost the plot.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 20, 2019 12:25:44 GMT -5
They’ve clearly lost the plot. Well its what happens when you got a senile old man in charge.
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Post by MrElijah on May 20, 2019 12:36:28 GMT -5
This is why we need Renee to go into business for herself. Cole: "THERE'S NO DQ IN A STEEL CAGE MATCH!" Renee: "Do you ever listen to yourself when you talk?" Shit, Booker was doing that.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 20, 2019 12:43:23 GMT -5
This is why we need Renee to go into business for herself. Cole: "THERE'S NO DQ IN A STEEL CAGE MATCH!" Renee: "Do you ever listen to yourself when you talk?" Shit, Booker was doing that. If only one could remember Booker saying anything competent sandwiched between the tirades of incoherent nonsense he spoke... I love Booker commentary.
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Post by MrElijah on May 20, 2019 12:55:42 GMT -5
Shit, Booker was doing that. If only one could remember Booker saying anything competent sandwiched between the tirades of incoherent nonsense he spoke... I love Booker commentary. Booker at times shitted on the narrative with both logical and illogical thinking.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 20, 2019 13:04:06 GMT -5
I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused?
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Post by trollrogue on May 20, 2019 14:28:35 GMT -5
What does not being disqualified have to do with a rope break? In a steel cage match you can win via pinfall, submission, or escape from the cage. The pinfall or submission attempts can both be broken by grabbing the ropes, it's just that if you don't let go of a submission if someone grabs the ropes you won't be DQ'd and you can still win if they tap out while they are grabbing the ropes.
This doesn't apply for pinfall rope brakes. It's not a valid pinfall if someone is in the ropes, unless it's 'FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE'.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 20, 2019 14:43:39 GMT -5
I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused? The first and most obvious reason is that commentary called foul on it, and they are the people whose purpose is to explain these rules to the audience, so if they are wrong, the audience is also going to get it wrong. Secondly, they had a submission reach the ropes with Miz refusing to break because it's No DQ, so they thought the same should apply to pins, even though Miz legally couldn't win the match if Shane tapped while holding the ropes. Basically, the whole company looks like idiots for not knowing their own rules.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 20, 2019 14:59:28 GMT -5
I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused? The first and most obvious reason is that commentary called foul on it, and they are the people whose purpose is to explain these rules to the audience, so if they are wrong, the audience is also going to get it wrong. Secondly, they had a submission reach the ropes with Miz refusing to break because it's No DQ, so they thought the same should apply to pins, even though Miz legally couldn't win the match if Shane tapped while holding the ropes. Basically, the whole company looks like idiots for not knowing their own rules. This shit shouldn't be hard especially for those who been at it for decades.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 15:52:11 GMT -5
THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL!
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Post by Macho Pichu on May 20, 2019 16:09:24 GMT -5
I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused? Because a pinfall is broken via the ropes because that's where the outside of the ring is defined as. It's no longer within the bounds of where a legal fall can be scored. Rope breaks on pinfalls have nothing to do with DQ. Submissions, on the other hand.....
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Post by Chiral on May 20, 2019 16:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by trollrogue on May 20, 2019 16:34:44 GMT -5
I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused? The first and most obvious reason is that commentary called foul on it, and they are the people whose purpose is to explain these rules to the audience, so if they are wrong, the audience is also going to get it wrong. Secondly, they had a submission reach the ropes with Miz refusing to break because it's No DQ, so they thought the same should apply to pins, even though Miz legally couldn't win the match if Shane tapped while holding the ropes.Basically, the whole company looks like idiots for not knowing their own rules. I'll be honest IDK why people find this so confusing. All the time people reach the ropes in a no dq style matches but why is this the time people get confused? Because a pinfall is broken via the ropes because that's where the outside of the ring is defined as. It's no longer within the bounds of where a legal fall can be scored. Rope breaks on pinfalls have nothing to do with DQ. Submissions, on the other hand.....I'll be honest I'm not sure whether submissions count if it's no-DQ and the opponent is tapping while grabbing the ropes but I vaguely remember a WWE match having a finish like that, where the loser forgot that a rope break wouldn't break the hold so they had no choice but to tap in the ropes. If only Michael Cole was replaced on PPVs with Mauro Ranallo he would've been able to run down the rules for us no sweat.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 16:42:24 GMT -5
No DQ doesn't prevent rope breaks, because it isn't Falls Count Anywhere. Pins and submissions still must take place within the perimeter of the ring.
If you somehow submitted someone while on the top rope together, that, too, would not be legal.
Now, that does not mean that you have to break a hold, but if they tapped, it wouldn't count, per the ref's discretion, I guess.
Only thing that muddies this is that I think Cody Rhodes submitted HBK with a figure four using the ring post in a Hell in a Cell match, though I could be remembering that incorrectly. That'd be the ref's discretion, I guess, or a plain f*** up.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 20, 2019 16:51:07 GMT -5
Only thing that muddies this is that I think Cody Rhodes submitted HBK with a figure four using the ring post in a Hell in a Cell match, though I could be remembering that incorrectly. That'd be the ref's discretion, I guess, or a plain f*** up. No, DX won the Hell in a Cell match. Legacy won the Submissions Count Anywhere match with a double team Million Dollar Dream/Ringpost Figure Four Leglock combination. Since the match was Submissions Count Anywhere, there was no rope break rule in effect. Normally, a submission in the ropes during a No DQ match where falls must count in the ring would not be valid, but a ref calling to stop the match because a participant cannot continue would be a valid finish should someone actually tap in the ropes.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 16:51:55 GMT -5
Only thing that muddies this is that I think Cody Rhodes submitted HBK with a figure four using the ring post in a Hell in a Cell match, though I could be remembering that incorrectly. That'd be the ref's discretion, I guess, or a plain f*** up. No, DX won the Hell in a Cell match. Legacy won the Submissions Count Anywhere match with a double team Million Dollar Dream/Ringpost Figure Four Leglock combination. Since the match was Submissions Count Anywhere, there was no rope break rule in effect. Normally, a submission in the ropes during a No DQ match where falls must count in the ring would not be valid, but a ref calling to stop the match because a participant cannot continue would be a valid finish should someone actually tap in the ropes. Ahh, you're right. I conflated those two.
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Post by chazraps on May 20, 2019 16:52:16 GMT -5
I thought the rule was you can't bring Dairy Queen into a steel cage match because otherwise the cage gets all sticky.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 20, 2019 16:57:28 GMT -5
What about the Tajiri Tarantula? In a regular match, you can't win since you're both in the ropes, and the one applying the move is outside the ring.
But if it's a no DQ, can it work? It's a submission where the one in the hold is in the ropes and can't grab the ropes or tap out since his arms are wrapped up.
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