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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on May 21, 2020 17:00:12 GMT -5
I agree Jordan had more mainstream name/appeal, but I think you're underestimating the impact Brady had/has on young kids wanting to be like him and play QB just like him. Tom Brady was never the cultural icon that Michael Jordan was. At Jordan's peak, he was arguably one of the most famous people in the world, never mind its most famous athlete. Brady, while incredibly identifiable, hasn't transformed the zeitgeist the way Jordan did for about 15 years from the mid-1980s into the late-1990s. For example: my friend's wife from Ecuador called Tom Brady as "Gisele's husband," because internationally - and especially in South America - Gisele is more of a cultural icon than Tom Brady. That said, in terms of pure material, there's more than enough to fill a nine-hour documentary on Tom Brady. His college days backing up Drew Henson, getting drafted 199th overall, stepping in for an injured Drew Bledsoe, the "Bledsoe or Brady?" debate that filled New England sports talk radio airwaves in 2001, the Snow Bowl, Super Bowl XXXVI, transforming from anonymous backup to superstar, the run of dominance from 2001 through 2006, Spygate, the 18-0 start to 2007, Super Bowl XLII, tearing his ACL in the first quarter of 2008 and his rehabilitation, his battles with Peyton and Eli Manning, the Aaron Hernandez situation, Deflategate and the multi-year legal battle that ensued, Super Bowl XLIX, the 28-3 comeback in Super Bowl LI cementing his legacy as the unquestioned greatest of all-time, the TB12 Method, falling just short in Super Bowl LII and redemption in Super Bowl LIII, all leading up to his departure from the Patriots and signing with the Buccaneers. Thank you for articulating it way better than me.
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Post by BRV on May 21, 2020 22:01:47 GMT -5
Tom Brady was never the cultural icon that Michael Jordan was. At Jordan's peak, he was arguably one of the most famous people in the world, never mind its most famous athlete. Brady, while incredibly identifiable, hasn't transformed the zeitgeist the way Jordan did for about 15 years from the mid-1980s into the late-1990s. For example: my friend's wife from Ecuador called Tom Brady as "Gisele's husband," because internationally - and especially in South America - Gisele is more of a cultural icon than Tom Brady. That said, in terms of pure material, there's more than enough to fill a nine-hour documentary on Tom Brady. His college days backing up Drew Henson, getting drafted 199th overall, stepping in for an injured Drew Bledsoe, the "Bledsoe or Brady?" debate that filled New England sports talk radio airwaves in 2001, the Snow Bowl, Super Bowl XXXVI, transforming from anonymous backup to superstar, the run of dominance from 2001 through 2006, Spygate, the 18-0 start to 2007, Super Bowl XLII, tearing his ACL in the first quarter of 2008 and his rehabilitation, his battles with Peyton and Eli Manning, the Aaron Hernandez situation, Deflategate and the multi-year legal battle that ensued, Super Bowl XLIX, the 28-3 comeback in Super Bowl LI cementing his legacy as the unquestioned greatest of all-time, the TB12 Method, falling just short in Super Bowl LII and redemption in Super Bowl LIII, all leading up to his departure from the Patriots and signing with the Buccaneers. Thank you for articulating it way better than me. I mean, I've been watching the guy play for 19 seasons. To me, nine hours isn't close to enough. You could probably devote a single hour to a random regular season game against the Rams in 2004 and I'd be all-in.
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Post by sfvega on May 22, 2020 0:56:21 GMT -5
I agree Jordan had more mainstream name/appeal, but I think you're underestimating the impact Brady had/has on young kids wanting to be like him and play QB just like him. Tom Brady was never the cultural icon that Michael Jordan was. At Jordan's peak, he was arguably one of the most famous people in the world, never mind its most famous athlete. Brady, while incredibly identifiable, hasn't transformed the zeitgeist the way Jordan did for about 15 years from the mid-1980s into the late-1990s. For example: my friend's wife from Ecuador called Tom Brady as "Gisele's husband," because internationally - and especially in South America - Gisele is more of a cultural icon than Tom Brady. That said, in terms of pure material, there's more than enough to fill a nine-hour documentary on Tom Brady. His college days backing up Drew Henson, getting drafted 199th overall, stepping in for an injured Drew Bledsoe, the "Bledsoe or Brady?" debate that filled New England sports talk radio airwaves in 2001, the Snow Bowl, Super Bowl XXXVI, transforming from anonymous backup to superstar, the run of dominance from 2001 through 2006, Spygate, the 18-0 start to 2007, Super Bowl XLII, tearing his ACL in the first quarter of 2008 and his rehabilitation, his battles with Peyton and Eli Manning, the Aaron Hernandez situation, Deflategate and the multi-year legal battle that ensued, Super Bowl XLIX, the 28-3 comeback in Super Bowl LI cementing his legacy as the unquestioned greatest of all-time, the TB12 Method, falling just short in Super Bowl LII and redemption in Super Bowl LIII, all leading up to his departure from the Patriots and signing with the Buccaneers. The Tom Brady story is that of an underdog who won (and lost) Super Bowls and happened to be a teammate of Aaron Hernandez. That's about it. Jordan was a cultural icon who had a contentious relationship with some teammates, had his dad killed in sketchy details, quit to go play another sport professionally, had shoe and advertising deals that changed the game, starred in a hit movie, was the ringleader of the Dream Team, and has/had a gambling and alcohol problem. I don't want a 2-hour installment of Tom Brady making avocado smoothies and kissing his son on the mouth. He's just not that interesting off the field, and they still stretched the Jordan doc thin with game tape. Nobody wants to hear about the Pats cheating unless he's admitting to it and he won't. The crux of Spygate was mostly the Rams offensive gameplan. They should do that for NESN maybe, not ESPN. Brady is like Gretzky. GOAT, amazing mind for the game, unbelievable competitive drive. But once they leave the arena, they're one of the most boring dudes on the block.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2020 6:11:06 GMT -5
You all hear about the 9 part documentary they will have for brady next year? Lol. I like tom and he was dominant but he is not the equivalent to jordan. I am sure Bostonians will adore it though I absolutely love and adore Tom Brady. I will forever be grateful for what he meant to me as a fan for the better part of 20 years. That said, I really don't get why we're doing this right now. (Well, next year, but you get the idea) Like, he's *still* playing. He already did a 5 part series "Tom vs Time" 2 years ago. The Jordan/Bulls thing worked in large part because we were taking a look back with some distance between the end of Jordan's career and the doc series. And I get that Brady's story goes back a bit, and that it *is* a cool story/career to look back on....I just feel like we'd be better served doing this 5, 10 years down the road
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2020 8:18:03 GMT -5
I don't know if the NFL will ever have a player that hits the cultural icon status that Jordan did or really even comes close.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 22, 2020 8:42:38 GMT -5
Life long Bostonian and Patriots fan and Iโd still put Jordan well above Brady.
Growing up as a kid In the early 90s I it was Jordan and everybody else. There was some signs of a possible shift when Shaq was coming out of college but Michael Jordan was everywhere. He advertisers everything and everything sold because it was endorsed by him.
I think of the most popular athletes in their sports at the time... Bo Jackson briefly, Ken Griffey Jr, Gretzky and Jordan as a cultural icon dwarfed them all
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Post by BRV on May 22, 2020 13:30:26 GMT -5
The crux of Spygate was mostly the Rams offensive gameplan. This narrative has been out there for more than a decade and it's patently false. Let's put it to bed once and for all. boston.cbslocal.com/2019/01/24/put-patriots-rams-walkthrough-tape-to-bed-super-bowl/You all hear about the 9 part documentary they will have for brady next year? Lol. I like tom and he was dominant but he is not the equivalent to jordan. I am sure Bostonians will adore it though I absolutely love and adore Tom Brady. I will forever be grateful for what he meant to me as a fan for the better part of 20 years. That said, I really don't get why we're doing this right now. (Well, next year, but you get the idea) Like, he's *still* playing. He already did a 5 part series "Tom vs Time" 2 years ago. The Jordan/Bulls thing worked in large part because we were taking a look back with some distance between the end of Jordan's career and the doc series. And I get that Brady's story goes back a bit, and that it *is* a cool story/career to look back on....I just feel like we'd be better served doing this 5, 10 years down the road Rushing a nine-part Tom Brady documentary in 2021 is going to feel like nothing more than a cheap knock-off of "The Last Dance," but I agree with your larger point that producing this documentary while he's still an active player won't give us the full picture. He has to be retired for all the key players involved in the making of Tom Brady to truly weigh in on him. Look at Bill Belichick as the perfect example. When he's asked about an active player's contributions, he'll grumble and mumble out a couple of sentences, but when that player is retired, he'll shower him with effusive praise and go on for several minutes uninterrupted. What sort of contribution will Belichick have to add to a Tom Brady documentary in 2021 when Belichick is getting the Patriots ready to play the Brady and the Buccaneers in 2021?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2020 13:51:37 GMT -5
How Tomase still has a job in the market is baffling
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Post by BRV on May 22, 2020 14:03:45 GMT -5
How Tomase still has a job in the market is baffling Because in Boston sports media, you just kind of fail upwards. If you're making sports fans here angry - regardless of whether it's because you've got scalding hot takes or because you're simply bad at your job - people think that's a sign that you're doing something right. That's how people like Ron Borges and Dan Shaughnessy and John Tomase and Ben Volin hold such high-profile jobs in the market. I don't know if there's another city in America that holds its sports fans in such outright contempt as Boston does. That's why I stopped listening to sports radio in 2018, once I came to the realization that the talk shows here existed not to analyze the games, teams, or transactions, but purely to mock, criticize, ridicule, and anger the fans.
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Post by sfvega on May 22, 2020 14:05:32 GMT -5
The crux of Spygate was mostly the Rams offensive gameplan. This narrative has been out there for more than a decade and it's patently false. Let's put it to bed once and for all. boston.cbslocal.com/2019/01/24/put-patriots-rams-walkthrough-tape-to-bed-super-bowl/I absolutely love and adore Tom Brady. I will forever be grateful for what he meant to me as a fan for the better part of 20 years.ย That said, I really don't get why we're doing this right now. (Well, next year, but you get the idea) Like, he's *still* playing. He already did a 5 part series "Tom vs Time" 2 years ago. The Jordan/Bulls thing worked in large part because we were taking a look back with some distance between the end of Jordan's career and the doc series. And I get that Brady's story goes back a bit, and that it *is* a cool story/career to look back on....I just feel like we'd be better served doing this 5, 10 years down the road Rushing a nine-part Tom Brady documentary in 2021 is going to feel like nothing more than a cheap knock-off of "The Last Dance," but I agree with your larger point that producing this documentary while he's still an active player won't give us the full picture. He has to be retired for all the key players involved in the making of Tom Brady to truly weigh in on him. Look at Bill Belichick as the perfect example. When he's asked about an active player's contributions, he'll grumble and mumble out a couple of sentences, but when that player is retired, he'll shower him with effusive praise and go on for several minutes uninterrupted. What sort of contribution will Belichick have to add to a Tom Brady documentary in 2021 when Belichick is getting the Patriots ready to play the Brady and the Buccaneers in 2021? Oh my god, I don't careeeeeeeeeee. My point was that the issue didn't have much to do with Brady and the offense regardless.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2020 14:52:51 GMT -5
How Tomase still has a job in the market is baffling Because in Boston sports media, you just kind of fail upwards. If you're making sports fans here angry - regardless of whether it's because you've got scalding hot takes or because you're simply bad at your job - people think that's a sign that you're doing something right. That's how people like Ron Borges and Dan Shaughnessy and John Tomase and Ben Volin hold such high-profile jobs in the market. I don't know if there's another city in America that holds its sports fans in such outright contempt as Boston does. That's why I stopped listening to sports radio in 2018, once I came to the realization that the talk shows here existed not to analyze the games, teams, or transactions, but purely to mock, criticize, ridicule, and anger the fans. The worst thing to ever happen to Shaughnessy was the success of Boston teams because it turned him into a complete caricature of himself. Agreed 100% on Sports Radio. 98.5 Could write a book on how to completely destroy the goodwill of the listeners. The afternoon show went from "Can't miss" to "Can't do it" for me over the last few years. Between deflategate being beaten into the ground, and their absolutely god awful treatment of the Bruins and their fanbase, I'd rather listen to white noise
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 14:56:32 GMT -5
Joe Flacco has signed a 1yr deal with the Jets.
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Post by Sicho100 on May 22, 2020 15:08:19 GMT -5
Joe Flacco has signed a 1yr deal with the Jets. Adam Gase and Joe Flacco are perfect together.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 22, 2020 22:17:07 GMT -5
Because in Boston sports media, you just kind of fail upwards. If you're making sports fans here angry - regardless of whether it's because you've got scalding hot takes or because you're simply bad at your job - people think that's a sign that you're doing something right. That's how people like Ron Borges and Dan Shaughnessy and John Tomase and Ben Volin hold such high-profile jobs in the market. I don't know if there's another city in America that holds its sports fans in such outright contempt as Boston does. That's why I stopped listening to sports radio in 2018, once I came to the realization that the talk shows here existed not to analyze the games, teams, or transactions, but purely to mock, criticize, ridicule, and anger the fans. The worst thing to ever happen to Shaughnessy was the success of Boston teams because it turned him into a complete caricature of himself. Agreed 100% on Sports Radio. 98.5 Could write a book on how to completely destroy the goodwill of the listeners. The afternoon show went from "Can't miss" to "Can't do it" for me over the last few years. Between deflategate being beaten into the ground, and their absolutely god awful treatment of the Bruins and their fanbase, I'd rather listen to white noise Felger and Mazz have built a career off telling Boston sports fans that they're stupid homers and should never be happy with their teams or excited about anything. its baffling. Theyre horrible
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2020 0:54:06 GMT -5
Joe Flacco has signed a 1yr deal with the Jets. Jets actually get a backup, about time I expect Gase to do something stupid and have him start over Darnold Week 10
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on May 23, 2020 1:04:08 GMT -5
Joe Flacco has signed a 1yr deal with the Jets. Jets actually get a backup, about time I expect Gase to do something stupid and have him start over Darnold Week 10 Considering Adam Gase, Joe Elite will start all 16.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2020 1:05:44 GMT -5
Jets actually get a backup, about timeย I expect Gase to do something stupid and have him start over Darnold Week 10 Considering Adam Gase, Joe Elite will start all 16. Heโs a genius you know. If he can turn broken down Peyton Manning to the GOAT he can surely do the same for Joe Old Man Flacco
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 21:02:05 GMT -5
Colin Kaepernick has gone from "retired" to "UFA" on the NFL website.
How funny would it be if he gets signed before Cam?
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 24, 2020 3:44:53 GMT -5
Because in Boston sports media, you just kind of fail upwards. If you're making sports fans here angry - regardless of whether it's because you've got scalding hot takes or because you're simply bad at your job - people think that's a sign that you're doing something right. That's how people like Ron Borges and Dan Shaughnessy and John Tomase and Ben Volin hold such high-profile jobs in the market. I don't know if there's another city in America that holds its sports fans in such outright contempt as Boston does. That's why I stopped listening to sports radio in 2018, once I came to the realization that the talk shows here existed not to analyze the games, teams, or transactions, but purely to mock, criticize, ridicule, and anger the fans. ย ย The worst thing to ever happen toย Shaughnessy was the success of Boston teams because it turned him into a complete caricature of himself.ย Agreed 100% on Sports Radio.ย 98.5 Could write a book on how to completely destroy the goodwill of the listeners. The afternoon show went from "Can't miss" to "Can't do it" for me over the last few years. Between deflategate being beaten into the ground, and their absolutely god awful treatment of the Bruins and their fanbase, I'd rather listen to white noise Shaughnessy's asshole remark about the UConn women's basketball team showed what an idiot hack he is.
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Post by RI Richmark on May 25, 2020 11:18:07 GMT -5
ย ย The worst thing to ever happen toย Shaughnessy was the success of Boston teams because it turned him into a complete caricature of himself.ย Agreed 100% on Sports Radio.ย 98.5 Could write a book on how to completely destroy the goodwill of the listeners. The afternoon show went from "Can't miss" to "Can't do it" for me over the last few years. Between deflategate being beaten into the ground, and their absolutely god awful treatment of the Bruins and their fanbase, I'd rather listen to white noise Shaughnessy's asshole remark about the UConn women's basketball team showed what an idiot hack he is. Shaughnessy's a troll. He was a troll before the internet was invented.
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