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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2020 8:31:10 GMT -5
Cam body language has been like that since he came in the league. Heβs not a leader and when shit doesnβt go his way he pouts on the sideline. He's Jay Culter with a little more motivation and talent... and less cigarettes. Which means he's got a lot of skill. But when he doesn't really want to play holy shit does he not want to play. I wouldn't say Cam is lazy tho. Cutler was unbothered bastard and looked at Football as a day job. Cam has a ton of passion and wants to play. It's just when he starts to lose he acts like a child who got their toy taken away and it effects the whole team because either they got to put his ego back together or yell at him for acting like a child But that's what the incentive is for. Bill isn't going to play that shit when he throws an interception and sits on the sideline with a towel over his head. Problem is injuries has zapped Cam of his specialness. He has had bad feet for a few seasons and his shoulder was f***ed. Also Pats usually run a complex system and it is up in the air how well Cam will adjust to that. I'm rooting for him to continue his career but dude is probably a top flight backup after this if he doesn't shine
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:01:27 GMT -5
How can the Pats continually get caught cheating, yet nothing happens to their reputation or to the sport itself? Sure there might be Belicheat jokes here and there, but in baseball, the talk before Covid was how many times the Astros would get drilled with fastballs due to their cheating. The Pats have nearly a decade history of cheating, and it's 1) slap on the wrist, 2) forget about it, 3) league continues to make record profits, rinse and repeat. It's baffling.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 29, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -5
Jeez, wow, a camera crew accidentally records something they shouldn't, and suddenly it's PATS CHEATIN' AGAIN, even though the Pats were absolved of any malicious intent or secret planning, and the Pats didn't even know the illegal recording had happened until after the fact. But guilt by association is still guilt, RIGHT?
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Post by S-Chrome on Jun 29, 2020 12:15:46 GMT -5
Jeez, wow, a camera crew accidentally records something they shouldn't, and suddenly it's PATS CHEATIN' AGAIN, even though the Pats were absolved of any malicious intent or secret planning, and the Pats didn't even know the illegal recording had happened until after the fact. But guilt by association is still guilt, RIGHT? They have too much history with cheating to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 29, 2020 12:24:17 GMT -5
Anyone that has actually watched Newton play recently should realize the odds he's good again are so low. His shoulder is just shot. I watched some of his games from his MVP season, then last year. There is a very noticeable difference in the velocity on his ball, his release point and just the way he throws. His shoulder is just toast. Also at some point is the NFL going to have to go Houston Astros scorched earth to make the Pats understand that cheating isn't cool? I don't know. Andrew Luck was nowhere near as good as he used to be when he dealt with his shoulder issues. He had one year after recovering from that injury and was a legitimate MVP candidate. Unfortunately, he then got another long term injury and decided that his mental health had taken just as much of a beating as Ryan Grigson blessed his physical health with by refusing to focus on protecting him. The fact that teams still give Grigson jobs after his ABYSSMAL performance as Colts GM still baffles me. Anyways, the point is that Cam can still be good if he has fully recovered and is protected enough to keep him healthy. I don't know if the Patriots will adequately protect him, though, as they refuse to keep offensive linemen once their rookie contracts expire.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 29, 2020 12:27:05 GMT -5
Jeez, wow, a camera crew accidentally records something they shouldn't, and suddenly it's PATS CHEATIN' AGAIN, even though the Pats were absolved of any malicious intent or secret planning, and the Pats didn't even know the illegal recording had happened until after the fact. But guilt by association is still guilt, RIGHT? If you get in trouble repeatedly for breaking the rules (sometimes blatantly so), you should learn to mind your p's and q's to ensure that they stay within the rules as you no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Patriots themselves as they earned that special treatment.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 29, 2020 12:58:00 GMT -5
Jeez, wow, a camera crew accidentally records something they shouldn't, and suddenly it's PATS CHEATIN' AGAIN, even though the Pats were absolved of any malicious intent or secret planning, and the Pats didn't even know the illegal recording had happened until after the fact. But guilt by association is still guilt, RIGHT? Remember that time an innocent team got fined a million+ and lost a draft pick? Neither does anybody else.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2020 13:02:29 GMT -5
Jeez, wow, a camera crew accidentally records something they shouldn't, and suddenly it's PATS CHEATIN' AGAIN, even though the Pats were absolved of any malicious intent or secret planning, and the Pats didn't even know the illegal recording had happened until after the fact. But guilt by association is still guilt, RIGHT? Benefit of doubt has been lost when you are a repeat offender of habitually stepping over lines You don't air on the side of caution knowing your rep, you get F'd in the A. Pats should know better but they don't so they reap what they sow
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2020 13:04:34 GMT -5
How can the Pats continually get caught cheating, yet nothing happens to their reputation or to the sport itself? Sure there might be Belicheat jokes here and there, but in baseball, the talk before Covid was how many times the Astros would get drilled with fastballs due to their cheating. The Pats have nearly a decade history of cheating, and it's 1) slap on the wrist, 2) forget about it, 3) league continues to make record profits, rinse and repeat. It's baffling. Because winning takes over everything Since they win, it gets erased and Bill constantly acting like it don't matter and the media not pressing him plays a part.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:13:12 GMT -5
How can the Pats continually get caught cheating, yet nothing happens to their reputation or to the sport itself? Sure there might be Belicheat jokes here and there, but in baseball, the talk before Covid was how many times the Astros would get drilled with fastballs due to their cheating. The Pats have nearly a decade history of cheating, and it's 1) slap on the wrist, 2) forget about it, 3) league continues to make record profits, rinse and repeat. It's baffling. Because winning takes over everything Since they win, it gets erased and Bill constantly acting like it don't matter and the media not pressing him plays a part.Β But how many scandals is this with them now? 3 or 4? Is football so popular that the sport itself and fans alike can look past this? Iβm not even seeing faux outrage. All Iβm hearing about is Cam, which was obviously Bill playing 4D chess again because the media has an attention span of a peanut and canβt seem to juggle the cheating with the signing. I get it, football is Teflon in America, and the Pats are super popular, but at some point enough has to be enough. Even if itβs minor cheating, these guys have been doing it consistently.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2020 14:20:55 GMT -5
Because winning takes over everything Since they win, it gets erased and Bill constantly acting like it don't matter and the media not pressing him plays a part. But how many scandals is this with them? 3 or 4? Is football so popular that the sport itself and fans alike can look past this? Iβm not even seeing faux outrage. All Iβm hearing about is Cam, which was obviously Bill play 4D chess again because the media has an attention span of a peanut and canβt seem to juggle the cheating with the signing. I get it, football is Teflon in America, and the Pats are super popular, but at some point enough has to be enough. Even if itβs minor cheating, these guys have been doing it consistently. Add on the scandal with Craft that got swept under the rug as well But yes, despite how many times it has been they keep getting away with it. This was classic Pats. No doubt they knew the consequences was coming down and announced the Cam signing to get away from the heat. The media itself doesn't put enough pressure out there. Stop letting Bill give one word answers to questions. They let him dictate the news and he goes along with it until it fades away. If they were losing, this would be questions asked every week until Bill just stopped talking but because they win, it is "on to Cincinatti". Pats fans not going to care. They goin got homer for their team. Everyone else does care but eventually they start crying witch hunt like they did for the defaltegate stuff. Enough is enough I agree. NFL has its own problem tho. Ideally, you should be coming down harder on repeat offenders. But because Goddell isn't likable and they take everything as a case by case basis, the Pats should been losing picks over the next 3 years for getting caught AGAIN but it is only a 3rd round pick and some chump change
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2020 14:37:08 GMT -5
Considering how many times the Pats have been busted at this point they should be discussing long suspensions of Belichick etc. But nope, don't hurt a marquee franchise. At this point they should forfeit an entire draft class, have Belichick suspended for a full season and be told if this happens again it's a lifetime ban.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jun 29, 2020 15:17:08 GMT -5
The "cheating Patriots" thing is such bullshit.
Spygate? Unproven. Deflategate? Colts pettiness, especially when you realize that ball tampering had occured earlier in the year but the NFL didn't bat an eye. This recent event is an isolated incident but feeds into a bogus narrative.
What isn't bogus? Roger Goodell being the most biased commissioner in sports history. Team has an offensive nickname? Do nothing. Team engages in deliberately injuring opponents? Don't do enough. Team willfully turns a blind eye to domestic abuse and adds more abusers? Do less than nothing. Team gets bullshit "cheating" accusations jut because they do well? BY GOLLY, ROGER'S GOTTA PURSUE TOM BRADY TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF HIM, AND HOW DARE HE WIN ANYTHING RIGHT AFTER THE MOST UNWARRANTED PUNISHMENT OF THE LAST FEW DECADES?!
I'm a Packer fan but the amount of anti-New England bias shown by Goodell is appalling and is more proof that he needed to be forced out a long time ago.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 29, 2020 15:26:06 GMT -5
Don't lose site of the fact that Goodell is an extension of the teams owners. The owners need to be the ones that want to act/not act. Goodell just follows their collective orders. Pointing at him just lets the true problem hide in the shadows. That said, I'm not saying Goodell isn't a piece of shit
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Post by Mecca on Jun 29, 2020 15:29:17 GMT -5
There is nothing more funny than acting like the Pats have gotten a bad deal from the commish, Kraft was instrumental in getting Goodell the job. They've been hit with slaps on the wrist for all they've done.
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Post by BRV on Jun 29, 2020 17:55:24 GMT -5
Oh god, it's like someone lit up my Bat-Signal. Time to go to work. Add on the scandal with Craft that got swept under the rug as well Robert Kraft's situation is currently working its way through the judicial system in Florida. It's not being "swept under the rug." Kraft declined to take a plea deal, his lawyers argued that video was improperly obtained by undercover cameras installed in the spa, a judge agreed with Kraft's lawyers and threw out the video evidence, Florida's attorney general asked the state's appellate court to overturn the decision, and a three-judge panel will hear that appeal this week. None, because they've never gotten away with "it," whatever "it" may be, how inconsequential "it" may be, whether "it" may have an outcome on the game itself, or whether "it" is rooted in fact or science. In relation to Spygate in 2007, Bill Belichick was fined $500,000, which was the maximum you could fine an NFL head coach. It also stood at the time as the largest fine in the history of the league. The Patriots as an organization were fined $250,000 and had to forfeit their first-round pick, an unprecedented punishment in league history. When the deflated football fiasco rolled around, Tom Brady was suspended for a quarter of the season, the Patriots lost a first-round pick in 2016, a fourth-round pick in 2017, and the organization was docked $1 million. Let's compare that to similar superficial incidents and the resulting penalties: - In 2012, the San Diego Chargers were were accused of using towels covered in Stickum during a game. When asked by NFL officials to hand over the towels, Chargers sideline employees refused. The NFL investigated the matter for three weeks and fined the Chargers $20,000. - In 2014, the Carolina Panthers and Minnesota Vikings were both caught with ball boys using sideline heaters to warm footballs on a cold day in Minnesota. The end result? They, and the rest of the league, received a reminder that it was frowned upon. - In 2014, the Atlanta Falcons were busted for pumping fake crowd noise into their stadium. They were fined $350,000 and lost a fifth-round draft pick in 2016. In January 2015, Bill Belichick held two separate press conferences, during which he stood at the podium and answered every deflated football question for upwards of 30 minutes. And on that day, regarding Spygate, he's said: "Look, that's a whole 'nother discussion but, the guy's giving signals out in front of 80,000 people, OK? So we filmed him taping signals in front of 80,000 people like there were a lot of other teams doing at that time β forget about that β if we were wrong, then weβve been disciplined for that ... the guy's in front of 80,000 people, 80,000 people saw it. Everybody sees our guy in front of 80,000 people. There he is. It was wrong, we were disciplined for it. That's it. We never did it again. Weβre never going to do it again. And anything else that's close, we're not going to do either." I mean, sure, the media could drudge up questions and talking points about "scandals" from 13 and six years ago respectively, but what would that get them other than an eye roll at this point? Tell me what you saw on that Cincinnati video that warrants losing draft picks for three years. I'd love to hear it. Or how a videographer with no ties whatsoever to the football team filming the field and sideline warrants crippling the Patriots organization. This was a cameraman in a Boston Bruins sweatshirt filming B-roll from a press box in front of, literally, and I'm not even close to exaggerating this figure, 20 Bengals staffers. This wasn't sneaky or surreptitious. This wasn't covert or done undercover. This wasn't cheating. I'd love to hear the argument that it was because that argument could be debunked in a matter of seconds.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 29, 2020 17:59:05 GMT -5
Only Pats fans can really find a whole bunch of plausible deniability in all of that
I said what I said. They got away with it. Nothing substantial happened to them and they kept winning
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Post by chrom on Jun 29, 2020 20:03:48 GMT -5
Belichick could be running a slave network with video evidence of him hosting an auction selling them and Goodell would just shrug his shoulders and go "Tis life."
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 29, 2020 20:09:21 GMT -5
Belichick could be running a slave network with video evidence of him hosting an auction selling them and Goodell would just shrug his shoulders and go "Tis life." And there it is: most asinine use of hyperbole I've seen on the matter
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Post by chrom on Jun 29, 2020 20:12:04 GMT -5
Belichick could be running a slave network with video evidence of him hosting an auction selling them and Goodell would just shrug his shoulders and go "Tis life." And there it is: most asinine use of hyperbole I've seen on the matter If Goodell wasn't kissing Brady's ass, he was putting chapstick on to get ready to kiss Belichick's.
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