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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 22, 2019 8:09:19 GMT -5
Guy, Hill is a piece of shit. You can still like the Chiefs, and want them to win it all but you're choosing a weird hill to die on. Hell you can renounce the player and still support the team, they're not gonna get rid of him so you can keep some moral integrity. A four game suspension, or more might have been the best thing for Hill. He’s going to have to learn at some point and I’m sure he’ll get another chance down the road when he inevitably winds up beating up a woman or a pre schooler again. Yeah, that is basically my take on it. We don't have any solid proof that he abused his kid, so it is difficult to punish him for that, but he clearly had not learned anything regarding his previous conviction (whether he plead guilty because he was guilty or because his lawyer sucked and could not beat the previous charges, which I will remind you had enough evidence behind it that his football team ditched him over before he plead guilty). Not being able to participate in voluntary offseason activities, which he was free to skip in the first place, isn't going to teach him anything.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 22, 2019 8:36:55 GMT -5
Guy, Hill is a piece of shit. You can still like the Chiefs, and want them to win it all but you're choosing a weird hill to die on. Hell you can renounce the player and still support the team, they're not gonna get rid of him so you can keep some moral integrity. Louis Riddick Verified account @lriddickespn Follow Follow @lriddickespn More Does anyone really take the time to read and educate themselves on situations before trying to burn the house down with a “hot take”, or is that not necessary in today’s climate? Being strong with an opinion is great...just be smart about it. Again, why is this your hill to die on? A couple of years ago my team, the Colts, had a couple of questionable player issues come up. I still supported the team and even their decisions regarding doing nothing without being excited about it. The most dramatic was the rape charges against Josh McNary. The team did suspend him pending his trial, but brought him back when he was found not guilty. I understood the decision, though was not excited about it. I would not have argued in defense of it no matter how understanding I was. Then again, McNary was a depth piece when he did make the team. D'Qwell Jackson led the league in tackles and made the Pro Bowl in 2014. The offseason after that (after the Colts were eliminated, or even decimated, by the Patriots in the AFC Championship game in a game where the only Colt who played worth a damn was Jackson), Jackson was arrested for punching a pizza delivery guy in the face in an argument over a damned parking space. The team did not punish him (he plead to a lesser charge, got no jail time and no league punishment), but had anyone insisted that they should have I would still not have argued about it even though he was a vital player for the team (he had 150 tackles the next season, so he was still damned good and important to the team). I would have understood either punishing or, as was the case, not punishing Jackson. Why are you not that way with Hill?
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Post by Mecca on Jul 22, 2019 8:57:54 GMT -5
My biggest issue with the Hill stuff is how completely misrepresented it is, people read some headlines and that was that. Dude gave the NFL a mountain of evidence, do we really think they just decided not to suspend him just because?
I don't care if people like him, or the Chiefs or what, it's just that people speak on it and know about 20% of the story. That is why I like the Riddick tweet, it is spot on for this situation. But that is society, I didn't get the outcome I wanted so I'm mad. I won't educate myself or read anything that doesn't support what I already thought, etc etc.
For what everyone is saying I'd love to hear a reason why a guy on the Kansas City Chiefs is supposedly receiving preferred treatment other than he and his lawyer provided compelling evidence, seeing as I doubt they had an 8.5 hour conversation about an audio take that lasted 11 minutes.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 22, 2019 11:27:30 GMT -5
My biggest issue with the Hill stuff is how completely misrepresented it is, people read some headlines and that was that. Dude gave the NFL a mountain of evidence, do we really think they just decided not to suspend him just because? I don't care if people like him, or the Chiefs or what, it's just that people speak on it and know about 20% of the story. That is why I like the Riddick tweet, it is spot on for this situation. But that is society, I didn't get the outcome I wanted so I'm mad. I won't educate myself or read anything that doesn't support what I already thought, etc etc. For what everyone is saying I'd love to hear a reason why a guy on the Kansas City Chiefs is supposedly receiving preferred treatment other than he and his lawyer provided compelling evidence, seeing as I doubt they had an 8.5 hour conversation about an audio take that lasted 11 minutes. I can answer that one, rather easily. The reason we are upset doesn't really have to do with Hill. It has to do with the NFL's handling of such situations in general. Hill is just an example of it. Basically, if you can play the NFL is reluctant to do anything to tarnish you or remove your opportunity to help them make money. Ray Rice was thrown under a bus for what he did, not because he did it, but because he was on the decline. Even then, they initially passed down a judgement to do nothing until the world saw the video of what he did. Greg Hardy was convicted of even worse than Rice (and comparable to what Hill plead guilty to in college) and only was free after he paid off his accuser to skip his appeal trial. The league ultimately gave him a 4 game suspension. The example I gave of D'Qwell Jackson is another one. Dude punched a pizza guy in the face over a parking space. That is actually a violation of the league's policies, but nothing came of it. I wonder if Jackson had not made the Pro Bowl that year if the NFL would have looked the other way. Even though my team benefited, I think he should have gotten a short suspension for it anyways. The NFL is TERRIBLE at handling cases like this. Hill benefited from that, but no more than any other star would. He simply shouldn't have, though. THAT is my issue.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 22, 2019 12:49:28 GMT -5
Seahawks DT Jarran Reed suspended 6 games for violating the conduct policy.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jul 22, 2019 13:42:04 GMT -5
Basically, if you can play the NFL is reluctant to do anything to tarnish you or remove your opportunity to help them make money. You were saying? Anyway, on Tyreke Hill, I think the league WOULD have suspended him if their detectives could definitely prove he broke any laws, even if the real police detectives didn't arrest him (see Big Ben). Supposedly there was proof that he verbally threatened his wife and/or his child. In normal real life, someone can be arrested for verbally threatening someone. Thus, that would've been suspendable if Hill did that. But since NFL couldn't prove Hill did anything illegal, they couldn't suspend him. So I hope the NFL's investigation was correct.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 22, 2019 14:24:14 GMT -5
Hill is a f***ing idiot. He'll f*** up again, don't worry, he'll get his.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 22, 2019 14:36:42 GMT -5
Basically, if you can play the NFL is reluctant to do anything to tarnish you or remove your opportunity to help them make money. You were saying? Anyway, on Tyreke Hill, I think the league WOULD have suspended him if their detectives could definitely prove he broke any laws, even if the real police detectives didn't arrest him (see Big Ben). Supposedly there was proof that he verbally threatened his wife and/or his child. In normal real life, someone can be arrested for verbally threatening someone. Thus, that would've been suspendable if Hill did that. But since NFL couldn't prove Hill did anything illegal, they couldn't suspend him. So I hope the NFL's investigation was correct. The Brady example is a mixed one. 1) Several balls simply did test below the allowable limits (not just once, but twice). That is not to say that every failed ball was a deliberate act since it was cold as hell that day, which would lower the air pressure after they were tested (a few of Luck's failed the first test but not the second). I think that the fact that Brady likes his balls inflated at the lower limit instead of near the upper limit where Luck likes his did play a role in why so many of his balls tested below the limit. 2) Having said that, how much below the allowable limit each ball failed by is the real issue. I don't remember the actual numbers at this moment, but I seem to recall about half that failed to be ones that I thought, "I bet that ball was within limits and not tempered with at all and only failed due to the weather". Hell, I also would not take into consideration the one that Jackson intercepted because that ball spent some time in the hands of Grigson himself, and that guy was/is a complete scumbag (most of us Colts fans would agree). Some of those balls, however, were so out of tolerance that it is rather difficult to believe that they passed inspection in the first place or was not tampered with after the inspection. 3) Part of Brady's punishment probably had to do with destroying some evidence the NFL requested (his cell phone). I am not even saying that I thought that his explanation was BS. I am just saying that it was a high profile case, so overlooking that would set a precedent that could hamper the NFL's ability to act in cases in the future if destroying evidence is something that they can overlook. 4) Lastly, other than costing Brady personally (4 game checks for him is nothing to sneeze at) and the team in the way of lost picks, did his suspension really hurt anything else? - The Patriots were in a good spot since they had TWO young stud back-up QBs available (both did well in Brady's absence). - The Patriots also got a 2nd rd pick and a WR that they needed because of the games those two backups played showed they were worth trading for. - The NFL had two stories to sell to the public - can someone capitalize on Brady's absence and how will the Patriots react?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 22, 2019 14:46:30 GMT -5
Hill is a f***ing idiot. He'll f*** up again, don't worry, he'll get his. Yeah, but that is what I was worried about.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 22, 2019 16:06:33 GMT -5
Only if by get his you mean a super bowl ring and a new Chiefs contract.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 22, 2019 18:56:34 GMT -5
Only if by get his you mean a super bowl ring and a new Chiefs contract. Bet you a shiny buffalo nickel it never happens.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 23, 2019 7:47:45 GMT -5
Only if by get his you mean a super bowl ring and a new Chiefs contract. Bet you a shiny buffalo nickel it never happens. Which one? I'd be absolutely stunned if the Chiefs moved on from Hill and Mahomes is going to win a bowl sooner or later.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 23, 2019 8:39:08 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez has retired from the NFL for a "high-profile" ESPN job
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Post by Mecca on Jul 23, 2019 8:49:36 GMT -5
Is he going to take Tedy Bruschi's job?
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Jul 23, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -5
Bet you a shiny buffalo nickel it never happens. Which one? I'd be absolutely stunned if the Chiefs moved on from Hill and Mahomes is going to win a bowl sooner or later. The Chiefs have Andy "You Went Full Reid. You Never Go Full" Reid as coach. They aren't winning a Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle and Tom Brady suddenly turning into Blaine f***ing Gabbert. Which means if Mahomes wants a ring it won't be for a few years and it will be with another team unless Reid finally gets fired for being as much a choker in Kansas City as he was in Philly. Which will also not happen. Which means the Chiefs are going to be at best the AFC's bridesmaid for the forseeable future.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 23, 2019 11:44:56 GMT -5
Which one? I'd be absolutely stunned if the Chiefs moved on from Hill and Mahomes is going to win a bowl sooner or later. The Chiefs have Andy "You Went Full Reid. You Never Go Full" Reid as coach. They aren't winning a Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle and Tom Brady suddenly turning into Blaine f***ing Gabbert. Which means if Mahomes wants a ring it won't be for a few years and it will be with another team unless Reid finally gets fired for being as much a choker in Kansas City as he was in Philly. Which will also not happen. Which means the Chiefs are going to be at best the AFC's bridesmaid for the forseeable future. I think the Chiefs' pass rush took a serious step back this offseason. Sure, Clark has a history of being productive, but he simply is not going to replace the production of both Ford and Houston. Honey Badger is fine, but I think their coverage unit still took a hit this offseason too.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 23, 2019 12:06:56 GMT -5
The Chiefs have Andy "You Went Full Reid. You Never Go Full" Reid as coach. They aren't winning a Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle and Tom Brady suddenly turning into Blaine f***ing Gabbert. Which means if Mahomes wants a ring it won't be for a few years and it will be with another team unless Reid finally gets fired for being as much a choker in Kansas City as he was in Philly. Which will also not happen. Which means the Chiefs are going to be at best the AFC's bridesmaid for the forseeable future. I think the Chiefs' pass rush took a serious step back this offseason. Sure, Clark has a history of being productive, but he simply is not going to replace the production of both Ford and Houston. Honey Badger is fine, but I think their coverage unit still took a hit this offseason too. I cannot wait to see Dee Ford wreck shop with DeForest Buckner and Nick Bosa. Not to mention Arik Armstead (steady if unspectacular) and Solly Thomas (who’s put personal tragedy behind him and is looking to live up to his potential)
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Post by Mecca on Jul 23, 2019 12:08:01 GMT -5
The Chiefs have Andy "You Went Full Reid. You Never Go Full" Reid as coach. They aren't winning a Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle and Tom Brady suddenly turning into Blaine f***ing Gabbert. Which means if Mahomes wants a ring it won't be for a few years and it will be with another team unless Reid finally gets fired for being as much a choker in Kansas City as he was in Philly. Which will also not happen. Which means the Chiefs are going to be at best the AFC's bridesmaid for the forseeable future. I think the Chiefs' pass rush took a serious step back this offseason. Sure, Clark has a history of being productive, but he simply is not going to replace the production of both Ford and Houston. Honey Badger is fine, but I think their coverage unit still took a hit this offseason too. You're going off names more than production..... Ford is a one trick pony, and Houston has become injury prone and honestly plays hard about half the time. Clark is a better player than both of them today. Also I dunno how their coverage is worse when Eric Berry never played and their FS was terrible, Mathieu and Thornhill are a massive upgrade and at CB they're at worst the same. To argue that defense is worse is honestly kind of baffling, they lost an aging pass rusher and a guy who had 1 good year and replaced him with 1 of the 5 best ends in the game. And to just argue it's Andy Reid is sad, guy is a HOF coach, there is no team that has the offensive speed of the Chiefs, dismiss them though, I hope everyone does.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 23, 2019 12:08:54 GMT -5
I think the Chiefs' pass rush took a serious step back this offseason. Sure, Clark has a history of being productive, but he simply is not going to replace the production of both Ford and Houston. Honey Badger is fine, but I think their coverage unit still took a hit this offseason too. I cannot wait to see Dee Ford wreck shop with DeForest Buckner and Nick Bosa. Not to mention Arik Armstead (steady if unspectacular) and Solly Thomas (who’s put personal tragedy behind him and is looking to live up to his potential) Have fun after you paid him..until last year Ford missed significant time in every season....he is also a horrid run defender and you are going to line him up with his hand down and he weighs 235lbs...we dropped him because he was not a fit for a 4-3.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jul 23, 2019 12:13:26 GMT -5
I cannot wait to see Dee Ford wreck shop with DeForest Buckner and Nick Bosa. Not to mention Arik Armstead (steady if unspectacular) and Solly Thomas (who’s put personal tragedy behind him and is looking to live up to his potential) Have fun after you paid him..until last year Ford missed significant time in every season....he is also a horrid run defender and you are going to line him up with his hand down and he weighs 235lbs...we dropped him because he was not a fit for a 4-3. Other than the year he played 6 (two seasons ago), it was 16, 14, 15 & 16. Is health really a concern?
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