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Post by sfvega on Jan 24, 2020 19:25:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Brown went from being a guy who thought highly of himself (far from the 1st WR to do that, even at his uppity-est) to a guy who is completely out of control. Whether that is him just losing all self-control or brought on by head trauma is anyone's guess. That's why this issue is so tricky. Nobody knows. Even if he cared enough to have a doctor or a neurologist, this stuff is incredibly complicated and new and specialized. None of us know where he really lies. It's all conjecture. And I'm tempted to say you can't count it down to one concussion, because there are so many sub-concussive hits that doctors are saying are the real problem and what makes football so dangerous and impossible to police from a head trauma standpoint. But then again, the case of Arron Sears kinda flies in the face of my theory. He was a diva in an era where that is getting phased out but it was doable because come gametime you knew he was probably the best player on the field but now, he can't stay on the fieldΒ I don't think that one hit f***ed him over but it probably was the straw that broke everything. This is erratic and wild behavior and with brain science still being new you can't call it. The best someone could hope for is he actually went to a hospital and let them give him every test but he's not going to do that This is one of those fine lines where he is aware of what he is doing so he's not "crazy" but he's got issues that only can be resolved if he ask for help The really scary thing about it is that even the highest level neurologists can only do so much to help you. The brain is so incredibly complex that it isn't completely understood, much less to the point where we can fix it. But there are drugs, exercises, therapy to try and manage it. But shit we don't even have a way to diagnose it completely in living people yet. And that's IF that is the thing that is wrong with him AND he admits he wants help. It's a terribly complicated issue.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 24, 2020 19:27:54 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxDfz2QaRo&feature=emb_err_watch_on_ytThis is very painful to watch, Lamar Jackson in the pro bowl accuracy competition. He got beat by WR's at this......but if you watch is footwork you can see why he's not an accurate passer and the way his upper body moves, he's going to have career long struggles with this stuff. He has a bright future but yeah he needs to fix that and has not improved as much as the Ravens wanted to hype it up Still a great season and will be MVP but until he beats people with his arm, he will be f***ed because people are going to take their chances with him running and crowding the lineΒ His legs get him a couple years to get his pass game on and if he canβt then he doesnβt have a long career in him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 19:30:30 GMT -5
He was a diva in an era where that is getting phased out but it was doable because come gametime you knew he was probably the best player on the field but now, he can't stay on the field I don't think that one hit f***ed him over but it probably was the straw that broke everything. This is erratic and wild behavior and with brain science still being new you can't call it. The best someone could hope for is he actually went to a hospital and let them give him every test but he's not going to do that This is one of those fine lines where he is aware of what he is doing so he's not "crazy" but he's got issues that only can be resolved if he ask for help The really scary thing about it is that even the highest level neurologists can only do so much to help you. The brain is so incredibly complex that it isn't completely understood, much less to the point where we can fix it. But there are drugs, exercises, therapy to try and manage it. But shit we don't even have a way to diagnose it completely in living people yet. And that's IF that is the thing that is wrong with him AND he admits he wants help. It's a terribly complicated issue. Which is why I was worried about a guy like Daniel Bryan when we know on record he has a brain injury but whatever he is doing has at least subsided the issue but it may cost him in the long run It's a shame because AB may want help and is screaming on the inside but probably can't help himself or as said he's just an asshole probably. This is basically a Rodman type meltdown
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 19:31:51 GMT -5
He has a bright future but yeah he needs to fix that and has not improved as much as the Ravens wanted to hype it up Still a great season and will be MVP but until he beats people with his arm, he will be f***ed because people are going to take their chances with him running and crowding the line His legs get him a couple years to get his pass game on and if he canβt then he doesnβt have a long career in him. He's a f***ed up knee injury away from being like RG3 and you can argue RG3 had better arm talent then him coming into the league, he just couldn't read defenses for shit and was too reckless
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Post by sfvega on Jan 24, 2020 19:35:48 GMT -5
The really scary thing about it is that even the highest level neurologists can only do so much to help you. The brain is so incredibly complex that it isn't completely understood, much less to the point where we can fix it. But there are drugs, exercises, therapy to try and manage it. But shit we don't even have a way to diagnose it completely in living people yet. And that's IF that is the thing that is wrong with him AND he admits he wants help. It's a terribly complicated issue. Which is why I was worried about a guy like Daniel Bryan when we know on record he has a brain injury but whatever he is doing has at least subsided the issue but it may cost him in the long runΒ It's a shame because AB may want help and is screaming on the inside but probably can't help himself or as said he's just an asshole probably. This is basically a Rodman type meltdown Yeah, Seau was similar in that he'd lose his cool and could not control his newfound gambling addiction and lost money hand over fist at the end. That's one of the many reasons I tend to categorize impulse control as a red flag for these types of things. Artest had some similar problems though and never had serious concussion issues. He just had a myriad of mental problems. That could also be a possibility here.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 19:42:41 GMT -5
Which is why I was worried about a guy like Daniel Bryan when we know on record he has a brain injury but whatever he is doing has at least subsided the issue but it may cost him in the long run It's a shame because AB may want help and is screaming on the inside but probably can't help himself or as said he's just an asshole probably. This is basically a Rodman type meltdown Yeah, Seau was similar in that he'd lose his cool and could not control his newfound gambling addiction and lost money hand over fist at the end. That's one of the many reasons I tend to categorize impulse control as a red flag for these types of things. Artest had some similar problems though and never had serious concussion issues. He just had a myriad of mental problems. That could also be a possibility here. Artest is one of the few to actually tackle that issue tho to the point where it changed him for the better. Watching that 30 for 30 on Rodman a few weeks ago was crazy because Isiah Thomas basically broke down in tears because he knew Rodman needed help but no one can help him Football is most likely done with AB. You can't trust him and he's going to need a very clean sheet to even be given a chance. He's only 31 so he's still young enough to get a chance again if he gets his act right for the next 2 years
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Post by sfvega on Jan 24, 2020 19:50:19 GMT -5
Yeah, Seau was similar in that he'd lose his cool and could not control his newfound gambling addiction and lost money hand over fist at the end. That's one of the many reasons I tend to categorize impulse control as a red flag for these types of things. Artest had some similar problems though and never had serious concussion issues. He just had a myriad of mental problems. That could also be a possibility here. Artest is one of the few to actually tackle that issue tho to the point where it changed him for the better. Watching that 30 for 30 on Rodman a few weeks ago was crazy because Isiah Thomas basically broke down in tears because he knew Rodman needed help but no one can help him Football is most likely done with AB. You can't trust him and he's going to need a very clean sheet to even be given a chance. He's only 31 so he's still young enough to get a chance again if he gets his act right for the next 2 years Rodman had a lot on his plate. A totally f***ed up childhood, a few complexes given to him by his family, being extraordinarily weird in general, and answered that by acting out defiantly once he found any form of confidence in the absence of any structure. A lot like Mike Tyson before he settled down. Everybody knows someone who is almost stubbornly crazy. That's Dennis, and he's not gonna change because that would require him to follow direction and be motivated and believe he has something worth working for. AB doesn't have a lot of that baggage, and his form of crazy is fairly recent. Though he does have some of those same traits as Dennis.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 19:55:14 GMT -5
Artest is one of the few to actually tackle that issue tho to the point where it changed him for the better. Watching that 30 for 30 on Rodman a few weeks ago was crazy because Isiah Thomas basically broke down in tears because he knew Rodman needed help but no one can help him Football is most likely done with AB. You can't trust him and he's going to need a very clean sheet to even be given a chance. He's only 31 so he's still young enough to get a chance again if he gets his act right for the next 2 years Rodman had a lot on his plate. A totally f***ed up childhood, a few complexes given to him by his family, being extraordinarily weird in general, and answered that by acting out defiantly once he found any form of confidence in the absence of any structure. A lot like Mike Tyson before he settled down. Everybody knows someone who is almost stubbornly crazy. That's Dennis, and he's not gonna change because that would require him to follow direction and be motivated and believe he has something worth working for. AB doesn't have a lot of that baggage, and his form of crazy is fairly recent. Though he does have some of those same traits as Dennis. It's a thin line between a "high" from the attention and when the attention actually absorbs you and takes over your personality. It's just a mix of him having prior issues and probably Football adding on to it It's just weird and sad to see someone fall so far down and in the football sense it is wasted talent.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 24, 2020 21:39:49 GMT -5
So not to diminish anything going on with Antonio Brown but this thing with the Saints possibly covering up sex crimes is... that's a hell of a thing if true.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 22:05:09 GMT -5
So not to diminish anything going on with Antonio Brown but this thing with the Saints possibly covering up sex crimes is... that's a hell of a thing if true. When was that a story? It is connected to the Sharper stuff?
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 24, 2020 22:19:00 GMT -5
So not to diminish anything going on with Antonio Brown but this thing with the Saints possibly covering up sex crimes is... that's a hell of a thing if true. When was that a story? It is connected to the Sharper stuff? Haha...they wish it was just that. Oh no. This is much MUCH bigger than that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 24, 2020 22:23:07 GMT -5
When was that a story? It is connected to the Sharper stuff? Haha...they wish it was just that. Oh no. This is much MUCH bigger than that. So it's like that then? Because that man in jail for drugging and raping multiple women. If this is a team wide situation like that they are f***ed. Might as well shut the whole shit down
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 24, 2020 23:02:57 GMT -5
When was that a story? It is connected to the Sharper stuff? Haha...they wish it was just that. Oh no. This is much MUCH bigger than that. It's actually not. Reading the AP article on the story it seems possible Saints PR dept along with Saints ownership attempted to assist the Archdiocese of Louisiana in dealing with the blowback that came from the pedophile priests. Its bad form, but the Saints ownership really didn't aid in the coverup
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 25, 2020 0:06:17 GMT -5
All I have to say on the Saints stuff is...β¦...Sell the team, Tom Benson.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 25, 2020 0:31:26 GMT -5
All I have to say on the Saints stuff is...β¦...Sell the team, Tom Benson. He's dead...
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 25, 2020 2:47:10 GMT -5
All I have to say on the Saints stuff is...β¦...Sell the team, Tom Benson. He's dead... Oh yeah....my bad. Anyway, Gayle Benson needs to sell the team.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 25, 2020 11:15:56 GMT -5
Haha...they wish it was just that. Oh no. This is much MUCH bigger than that. It's actually not. Reading the AP article on the story it seems possible Saints PR dept along with Saints ownership attempted to assist the Archdiocese of Louisiana in dealing with the blowback that came from the pedophile priests. Its bad form, but the Saints ownership really didn't aid in the coverup I was raised in the church so I understand, but disagree with, the reasoning for the church not wanting to punish the priests themselves (it is a religious reason so discussing it is against the rules). What I don't understand in the slightest is hiding the crimes from the proper authorities and putting the criminals in positions to gain new victims. Not only are there no dogmatic reasons for doing so, there are tons of them for NOT DOING ANY OF THAT SHIT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 11:37:14 GMT -5
It's actually not. Reading the AP article on the story it seems possible Saints PR dept along with Saints ownership attempted to assist the Archdiocese of Louisiana in dealing with the blowback that came from the pedophile priests. Its bad form, but the Saints ownership really didn't aid in the coverup I was raised in the church so I understand, but disagree with, the reasoning for the church not wanting to punish the priests themselves (it is a religious reason so discussing it is against the rules). What I don't understand in the slightest is hiding the crimes from the proper authorities and putting the criminals in positions to gain new victims. Not only are there no dogmatic reasons for doing so, there are tons of them for NOT DOING ANY OF THAT SHIT!!! What I'm trying to figure out is... what do the Saints gain from all of this? Aside from the fact that the team got its name from it getting created on All Saint's Day, I fail to see where there is a connection between the team and the Catholic Church, despite the region being full of Catholics. But I guess that is where the connection lies; the fact that New Orleans and southern Louisiana is full of Catholics that, inevitably, they'll run into people and have those issues.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 25, 2020 14:00:09 GMT -5
I was raised in the church so I understand, but disagree with, the reasoning for the church not wanting to punish the priests themselves (it is a religious reason so discussing it is against the rules). What I don't understand in the slightest is hiding the crimes from the proper authorities and putting the criminals in positions to gain new victims. Not only are there no dogmatic reasons for doing so, there are tons of them for NOT DOING ANY OF THAT SHIT!!! What I'm trying to figure out is... what do the Saints gain from all of this? Aside from the fact that the team got its name from it getting created on All Saint's Day, I fail to see where there is a connection between the team and the Catholic Church, despite the region being full of Catholics. But I guess that is where the connection lies; the fact that New Orleans and southern Louisiana is full of Catholics that, inevitably, they'll run into people and have those issues. Gayle and Tom Benson are/were extremely devout Catholics, they were protecting what they believe in.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 25, 2020 14:37:45 GMT -5
What I'm trying to figure out is... what do the Saints gain from all of this? Aside from the fact that the team got its name from it getting created on All Saint's Day, I fail to see where there is a connection between the team and the Catholic Church, despite the region being full of Catholics. But I guess that is where the connection lies; the fact that New Orleans and southern Louisiana is full of Catholics that, inevitably, they'll run into people and have those issues. Gayle and Tom Benson are/were extremely devout Catholics, they were protecting what they believe in. But they are not defending their faith. They are defending their religion's organization. If I were a rich and influential Catholic like them I would strive to make the church purge their organization of those who abuse children. That would be a much more effective means of protecting the organization by demonstrating that the victims are important to them and will not set up more future victims in the name of covering up crimes.
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