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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2019 11:16:07 GMT -5
Addendum to my earlier post:
2015: Samoa Joe leaves TNA, like AJ Styles before him, and returns to Ring of Honor unannounced. Shortly afterward, Joe arrives in NXT unannounced. While WWE quickly used a clause in Joe's contract to lock him into an exclusive deal, the message is clear - if you're a big enough name and want to bank on yourself, the wrestling terrain is shifting to the point where you can negotiate the kind of contract that wouldn't have been imagined possible just a couple of years earlier.
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Post by eJm on May 27, 2019 11:24:56 GMT -5
Addendum to my earlier post: 2015: Samoa Joe leaves TNA, like AJ Styles before him, and returns to Ring of Honor unannounced. Shortly afterward, Joe arrives in NXT unannounced. While WWE quickly used a clause in Joe's contract to lock him into an exclusive deal, the message is clear - if you're a big enough name and want to bank on yourself, the wrestling terrain is shifting to the point where you can negotiate the kind of contract that wouldn't have been imagined possible just a couple of years earlier. Yeah, almost forgot that. His debut t-shirt sold out ridiculously quickly which was unprecedented for an NXT signing. If it wasn’t for that, Joe would have had the sort of deal where he can do ROH shows in his spare time between tapings from what I remember.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 28, 2019 12:31:59 GMT -5
The fact that Cody, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson, Adam Page, and Kenny Omega's ROH/NJPW contracts all were up within a few months time.
Even with everything else that happened, like the success of ALL IN, or the Hot Topic deal getting their merchandise in the mainstream, there's a good chance they never form the pact to stick together if they all have contract renewals at different times. We might have Kenny Omega in the WWE if Cody and the Bucks had another year on their ROH contracts.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on May 28, 2019 14:02:27 GMT -5
This thread seriously renewed my interest in researching the butterfly effect lol. All of the factors previously mentioned played a pivotal role in the formation in AEW and yet if even one of these things never happened we might not have an AEW to talk about. Something as insignificant as that one guy innocently tweeting Meltzer on his lunch break asking if ROH could sell out a 10K arena could have had a massive effect if that guy never tweeted.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 28, 2019 14:04:26 GMT -5
Really, this all began with Matt Jackson not being able to buy a sandwich.
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Post by mattyy on May 28, 2019 14:22:25 GMT -5
Really, this all began with Matt Jackson not being able to buy a sandwich. did that happen before or after Okada was sent to TNA as Okato and was made into a comedy character? Like I'm pretty sure those two events happened around the same time.
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Post by Macho Pichu on May 28, 2019 14:46:14 GMT -5
Just reading through the events in this thread alone, it sounds like there's enough there for a whole book.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 28, 2019 14:50:07 GMT -5
This thread seriously renewed my interest in researching the butterfly effect lol. All of the factors previously mentioned played a pivotal role in the formation in AEW and yet if even one of these things never happened we might not have an AEW to talk about. Something as insignificant as that one guy innocently tweeting Meltzer on his lunch break asking if ROH could sell out a 10K arena could have had a massive effect if that guy never tweeted. It’s all so serendipitous. Really make it seem exciting and magical as it’s been happening.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 28, 2019 15:02:46 GMT -5
I think the only one noone has mentioned yet is WWE going hook line and sinker against the Young Bucks after the DX Tank routine, and playing everything so badly they just looked like corporate bullies.
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Post by eJm on May 28, 2019 15:13:27 GMT -5
I think the only one noone has mentioned yet is WWE going hook line and sinker against the Young Bucks after the DX Tank routine, and playing everything so badly they just looked like corporate bullies. The stranger thing about all that in hindsight is that it didn’t seem like it was any new rule being implemented and such because there are dozens and dozens of WWE superstars having pictures with Bullet Club/Elite on a monthly basis and none of those people got fired or suspended of the sorts. So the only reason Jacobs got fired for it was because nobody liked him.
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Post by MrElijah on May 28, 2019 15:50:18 GMT -5
If AEW gets big, this might be on par with Ole Anderson screwing over Jim Barnett and Jimmy joining with Vince Jr.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 28, 2019 16:14:33 GMT -5
WWE's mindset of "We're the only game in town."
It has led to them making a ludicrous number of boneheaded, headass decisions, that have bit them in the ass time, and time again. Now they've alienated their talent, and their fans by just doing whatever the hell they want whenever they want. Now the talent wants out, and the fans are sick of it. In the past they could get away with it, because after all who's going to stop them TNA?
Now they have viable opposition, and they can't get out of that mindset. Guys want out of their contracts, but they respond by finding some bullshit way to add time (Luke Harper for instance). The guys who do get to however have shown this to WWE and the talent within: They don't need WWE.
Cody is the shining example, life long midcarder, in spite of his charisma and incredible work ethic, became one of the hottest acts on the planet.
Meanwhile fans see that too, and now they can see their favorites get what they have coming to them.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 28, 2019 16:24:02 GMT -5
I think the only one noone has mentioned yet is WWE going hook line and sinker against the Young Bucks after the DX Tank routine, and playing everything so badly they just looked like corporate bullies. Even WWE putting out a Cease and Desist letter to the Bucks worked in their favor, because they were already looking at phasing out the non-original portions of their act. The C&D gave them the perfect way of doing it so fans wouldn't blame the Bucks for a change they didn't want. Now, instead of being burdened by Too Sweet and Suck It not really being their things, the got the "Be Elite, Be Be Elite" hand gesture and chant over, and they ended up increasing their merch sales with the Cease and Desist line of t-shirts.
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