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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 28, 2019 14:19:38 GMT -5
They had ppv Spike Great wrestlers of independent and former WWE background The Carter Family’s money A good reputation (people like Dixie Carter back then) Not yet tainted by Russo/Hogan/Bischoff/WWE-lite
Yet they never drew the excitement, optimism, or momentum that AEW is currently experiencing. Or maybe they did and I’m forgetting.
Where did TNA ago wrong?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 14:31:05 GMT -5
social media wasn't as developed back then
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on May 28, 2019 14:36:05 GMT -5
Social media is a huge factor. It didn't exist back then.
The Carter and Khan parallel has a lot of people rightfully worried and wondering if Tony Khan is just another mark with deep pockets who is easy to swindle but I think he's more capable than Dixie.
But I think most importantly what AEW has that TNA didn't was...TNA itself. AEW has 15 years of TNA's history of successes and shortcomings to study from and have an opportunity to elevate TNA's previous heights to the next level while hopefully not repeating the same mistakes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2019 14:36:28 GMT -5
They had ppv Spike Great wrestlers of independent and former WWE background The Carter Family’s money A good reputation (people like Dixie Carter back then) Not yet tainted by Russo/Hogan/Bischoff/WWE-lite Yet they never drew the excitement, optimism, or momentum that AEW is currently experiencing. Or maybe they did and I’m forgetting. Where did TNA ago wrong? I would say that's wrong. TNA did have the excitement but this is a diff type of excitement thanks to the advancement of social media being a major platform However, TNA went wrong by shooting themselves in the foot. Dixie keeping Russo along, changing your identity, not putting your guys on the forefront, trying to challenge WWE with no plan A lack of identity and direction hurt them
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 28, 2019 14:50:34 GMT -5
Social Media and Geek Cred.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 28, 2019 15:19:04 GMT -5
They had ppv Spike Great wrestlers of independent and former WWE background The Carter Family’s money A good reputation (people like Dixie Carter back then) Not yet tainted by Russo/Hogan/Bischoff/WWE-lite Yet they never drew the excitement, optimism, or momentum that AEW is currently experiencing. Or maybe they did and I’m forgetting. Where did TNA ago wrong? Lets see Jeff Jarrett was in full worst than 03 HHH mode. No matter how much he thought he was a popular draw, he was not. Carter Family Money is nothing close to Khan family money. TNA was signing guys who WWE canned because they had no uses for. DDP who was coming off one of the worst buried job. Kevin Nash coming off a not so great run in the WWE and Rhino headlining PPVs. They didn't promote themselves very well and never did under Dixie's eyes. You can't draw without advertising. That why AEW did so well, because that went all out with the big press conferences. Yes Social media being much bigger now but it does help that the roster foundation where top level "it" guys of the indies and they where headlining. You have Kenny Omega coming off a ME run in japan. Cody in a major role after rebuilding his brand before hand, You had Jericho who coming off drawing very well away from the WWE. That was the ME. You filled the card with some of the best indies talent in the world. Using very little EX WWE released guys that where not request. You have Jon Moxley who left on his own terms. Was a top guy in the eyes of fans. He came in as a surprise. But when you look at how TNA started and how AEW started. 05 was a few years after they started and it's all about first impressions. Look at the first TNA PPV and tell me how great it really was and look at the crowd. Now think how much was know before hand for that first show. Compared to 4 months of AEW booking a big arena (TNA did in there debut). By the time 05 and Spike started. TNA had Jeff Jarrett as THE GUY. Russo was already in the mix, remember Russo debut in 03 in the company. TNA already had ECW lite in 03 and was a lot like WCW in 05 with DDP, Nash, and late 05 Sting headlining.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 28, 2019 15:30:35 GMT -5
They didn’t have their t-shirts in the mall!
No, seriously... it was the lack of social media. It helps spread the word around and gets people on the hype machine. Social media can be an extremely powerful tool for exposure and growth.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 28, 2019 15:33:20 GMT -5
AEW has a not utterly terrible and embarrassing name.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2019 15:39:45 GMT -5
One of AEW's biggest advantages over TNA is not just social media, but marketing in general. TNA's promotion was always really lousy, especially when they started moving onto a prime spot on Spike and started holding shows on the road instead of having everything in the Asylum and later, the Impact Zone. Meanwhile, Cody and co. have done an excellent job of maintaining and growing AEW's social media presence along with traditional advertisement and fun things like Being The Elite.
There's a lot of other factors, like Jeff Jarrett booking himself even worse than Reign of Terror Triple H, The Elite's positive reputation here and abroad, a distinct lack of people wrestling in penis costumes, AEW's sheer ambition, and already having "All In" as a proof of concept. Also helps that Cody, the Bucks, and Omega are all pretty young, as opposed to TNA having that stink of "this is where all the old WCW guys went off to who didn't get deals with WWE" overshadowing everything in the beginning. It took a few years for TNA to start to build up the X Division as THE attraction and that only lasted a little bit bit was also probably the company's golden age.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 28, 2019 15:41:03 GMT -5
Joe and Angle was HUGE. TNA just didn't know what to do with all the attention.
Tony Khan keeping the time during the PPV is a bit different than Dixie making herself a TV star, too.
You also had TNA's lack of marketing, and Double J not giving the rub to anyone until it was too late and viewers were leaving.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 28, 2019 15:41:24 GMT -5
A name that doesn’t make people giggle.
It doesn’t have the stench from Russo and their first years.
Tony Khan doesn’t seem to be a money mark.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 28, 2019 15:42:09 GMT -5
Joe and Angle was HUGE. TNA just didn't know what to do with all the attention. Tony Khan keeping the time during the PPV is a bit different than Dixie making herself a TV star, too. It drew their biggest buy rates ever and they still didn’t know what to do with Joe...
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Post by Texas Tornado on May 28, 2019 15:45:38 GMT -5
Competent leadership. Everything people can list that AEW has over TNA essentially boils down to that.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2019 15:47:05 GMT -5
AEW has a not utterly terrible and embarrassing name. Also very true. "AEW" is, as far as I know, an entirely original acronym and it just happens to be the initials of the company. TNA's name feels like it was created as an acronym and double entendre first and they came up with "Total Nonstop Action" to haphazardly make it fit. This is only reinforced by one of the earliest stables in the company being called "Sports Entertainment Xtreme" so they could have "SEX" as initials. Or later on, Voodoo Kin Mafia being complete gibberish so they could "stick it" to WWE by having a team that shares initials with Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
Officially changing the company's name from "TNA" to "Impact Wrestling" was probably one of the smartest things in that company's history. Shame it was too little, too late by that point.
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Post by domrep on May 28, 2019 15:56:27 GMT -5
Competent leadership. Everything people can list that AEW has over TNA essentially boils down to that. Tony seems like a big wrestling fan, but my concern is he's being used. We shall see. Secondly, it's a little bit concerning that the Bucks are giving their friends a job. One of the Bucks' wives is head of merch, Brandi is chief branding officer, all of them are EVPs who coincidentally all went over at this last show. It's a little weird...
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Post by honsou on May 28, 2019 16:08:17 GMT -5
Jeff Jarred at the top was always the poison pill that was going to prevent them from being big time. You still needed to go into shows with the attitude of "well the undercard will be great but the main event is going to be with Jarred so we know how that will end up".
You can't have a successful show with bad main events.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2019 16:08:58 GMT -5
Mrs. Matt is the one who got all the Hot Topic stuff going, wasn't she? In her case, I'd say it's totally earned. Brandi also seems to be doing a solid job with branding.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 28, 2019 16:27:20 GMT -5
Competent leadership. Everything people can list that AEW has over TNA essentially boils down to that. Tony seems like a big wrestling fan, but my concern is he's being used. We shall see. Secondly, it's a little bit concerning that the Bucks are giving their friends a job. One of the Bucks' wives is head of merch, Brandi is chief branding officer, all of them are EVPs who coincidentally all went over at this last show. It's a little weird... Well, given that The Elite are the only non-WWE entity with their merch in mainstream stores available to a mass, non-wrestling hardcore audience? I'm gonna go ahead and say that yeah, Mrs. Matt is doing a hell of a job, and tossing nepotism into the equation is a really lukewarm take.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:36:23 GMT -5
There's a lot of other factors, like Jeff Jarrett booking himself even worse than Reign of Terror Triple H, The Elite's positive reputation here and abroad, a distinct lack of people wrestling in penis costumes, AEW's sheer ambition, and already having "All In" as a proof of concept. I really had to stop and think about this to realize what you were referring to. Though technically not an AEW show, Cody and the Bucks have had WAY MORE people dressed in penis costumes on a wrestling show at All In than early TNA had with the Shane Twins in flesh colored bodysuits.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 28, 2019 16:39:18 GMT -5
AEW needs it's own Cheexx if it ever wants to be serious WWE competition
For a serious answer: I think AEW has a plan to become their own "thing". TNA really felt like "we'll throw money around and rebuild WCW/WWE Attitude Era" rather than having a vision for their own end product.
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