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Post by Sir Woodrow on May 29, 2019 5:28:38 GMT -5
"That's why he pays Brock a billion bucks to come in and ruin his company." ~Mox. Oh snap!
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Post by spagett on May 29, 2019 5:28:54 GMT -5
It's a very very cathartic listen because everything the fans have been saying about the problems in WWE are basically confirmed by Jon.
Vince being hugely out of touch, the red tape and endless bureaucracy meaning trying to get anything done takes forever, the complete restriction on any creativity for the wrestlers. The wrestlers know themselves the product is the dirt worst right now, Moxley pretty much said he went through a period of deep depression doing that appalling heel run a few months ago.
The thing that makes me realise nothing will change in WWE as long as Vince is alive is that Vince genuinely thinks their creative and their writing is good. He thinks the product they are presenting is high quality.
That is mind blowing.
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 29, 2019 5:46:36 GMT -5
Listening to it now. Jericho now has his CM Punk Art of Wrestling interview. Then he cuts it off after a bit to talk about steaks.
Also after Double or Nothing I resubscribed to Meltzer... kinda glad I did given the last couple of the days.
EDIT: And now cat litter. He talks about the doctor's office promo! Shit, the net was right! It's official, Vince wants Carrot Top as world champion.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 29, 2019 6:01:25 GMT -5
Just started this, loving Jericho saying it was recorded before Double or Nothing and then it starts with Jericho saying how amazing the show, that hasn't happened yet, was.
Like I said, not heard it yet but it seems a shame that after such a classy exit he's immediately torched the bridge.
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Post by realist on May 29, 2019 6:09:40 GMT -5
Just started this, loving Jericho saying it was recorded before Double or Nothing and then it starts with Jericho saying how amazing the show, that hasn't happened yet, was. Like I said, not heard it yet but it seems a shame that after such a classy exit he's immediately torched the bridge. I caught that as well and legit laughed out loud. However, I do give Jericho credit for trying to protect kayfabe.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 6:10:22 GMT -5
Like I said, not heard it yet but it seems a shame that after such a classy exit he's immediately torched the bridge. I mean, that classy exit probably wasn’t intended for him as much as wanted by Roman and Seth by all accounts. So he’d probably be saying all this stuff even if he, say, had a match at WrestleMania against Nia and got buried or left after the dozens of Last man standing matches he had.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 29, 2019 6:12:06 GMT -5
I am heartbroken that this confirms that Moxley owns a house. Well he needed somewhere to put his dumpster.
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Post by realist on May 29, 2019 6:22:54 GMT -5
While not a fan of the guy, I imagine CM Punk listening to this, clapping with tears in his eyes.
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 29, 2019 6:24:57 GMT -5
I'm confused. What issues did Dean have with the dynatrap fly light?
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Post by realist on May 29, 2019 6:26:50 GMT -5
I'm confused. What issues did Dean have with the dynatrap fly light? Well, it killed Vince McMahon's best friend, which made Vince bitter and dead set on killing the creative freedom of all the workers.
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Post by honsou on May 29, 2019 6:31:34 GMT -5
Another thing that spoke volumes is Moxley talking about how he experienced depression without even really realizing he was depressed and searching WebMD for symptoms. Him talking about waking up and not being able to get out of bed was just heartbreaking.
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Post by realist on May 29, 2019 6:34:06 GMT -5
You know what stuck out the most to me? The $500 for a network special, which is the rate for enhancement talents, built around him and his departure as a final "Screw you!" What a petty, petty company. Anything bad that happens to WWE (within reason - declining buy rates, low ratings, John Oliver, etc.) is very well deserved.
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Post by BRAINFADE on May 29, 2019 6:42:04 GMT -5
It really is weird just how many parallels there are with him and Punk on this. A lot of the same grievances, both made it clear they wanted out at the Rumble, both quickly got fed up after returning from an injury, both of their wives were still working there... The only big difference is where Punk came across as very bitter (which to be fair to him he freely admitted that he was), Moxley seems as though a weight has been lifted off his shoulders and is ready to take on the world. Like everyone else has said, this is essential listening. Moxley clearly does not give a shit about ever going back and just flat out goes to town on burying Vince. It confirms everything we've suspected for years.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 29, 2019 6:45:05 GMT -5
That was a wonderful listen. I just love how happy he sounds with genuinely everything and how much he just wants to help, he's so invigorated, and frankly, if this is how Dean, a very pushed wrestler for a lot of his tenure felt getting out, imagine how a Rusev or a Harper might feel getting the hell out...
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 29, 2019 6:45:08 GMT -5
I think Dean said it best, "The problem is Vince and the structure he built with the quip electric toothbrush".
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 6:47:55 GMT -5
100% listen and soak this in. A text summery won't capture it right. This is a teardown of Vince, WWE, and their whole creative system. It’s the kind of thing where it’s like... What are we doing blaming the writers and the wrestlers all the time like it’s THEIR fault? Everything that comes out nowadays from the departed wrestlers, from the ex-writers, it all points in one direction, and it’s pointing right at the top. For my own mind, it gets to me when people say the talent is to blame and the style doesn’t work for the main roster when it’s like...he owns the start of the machine that produces the talent as well as the end of the conveyer belt. He could go to the performance center tomorrow and tell HHH what he wants, how he wants it, who he should sign and what NXT should be and he just...doesn’t. He has his bubble and it’s one that doesn’t include all aspects of the parts of the company his money is funding. Even before everything Jon talks about, it’s mind boggling.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 6:50:59 GMT -5
You can understand why a creative mind like Moxley would get pissed off with the shit Vince was giving him.
It also blows my mind that Vince thinks some of the scripts and ideas he was giving him were great. He doesn't view the show from an audience perspective or from the point of view of the talent, he just writes things that HE likes and amuses him.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on May 29, 2019 6:51:12 GMT -5
Like I said, not heard it yet but it seems a shame that after such a classy exit he's immediately torched the bridge. I mean, the classy exit was him escaping prison (his narrative) I don't think he thinks the bridge was torched by him first.
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Post by bearned on May 29, 2019 6:54:41 GMT -5
He doesn’t really say anything that people didn’t already kinda know from rumours etc but man it’s a great listen and confirms what a mess creative (Vince) has become,
It’s got to kill someone like Mox who loves the creative side of the business to have to deal with that awful environment day in day out.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 29, 2019 7:16:18 GMT -5
You can understand why a creative mind like Moxley would get pissed off with the shit Vince was giving him. It also blows my mind that Vince thinks some of the scripts and ideas he was giving him were great. He doesn't view the show from an audience perspective or from the point of view of the talent, he just writes things that HE likes and amuses him. Yeah, and you can usually tell when Vince has had an especially close hand in a script as it usually sucks and is rife with either scatological or daddy references.
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