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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:17:52 GMT -5
Not bigger than Cena but I really think we're going to see Moxley become a big star with AEW and show what he's really capable of. It's exciting.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:24:37 GMT -5
Among hardcore (both hardcore wrestling and fans of wrestling who are hardcore in their devotion) fans he probably already is.
In terms of his wider, family popularity? Not a chance, but I don't think that's AEW's or his market.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 31, 2019 16:44:11 GMT -5
Depends on:
-how big a platform AEW can develop
- how far Moxley actually wants to move out of the wrestling bubble
- the quality of opponents. Most top stars, Cena included, get better by working with super talented people night after night.
At this point I would say no. Not a knock on Mox’s ability, it would just take a lot of stars aligning and many, many years of strong championship booking through his prime years.
That’s not to say he can’t become a (bigger) star though.
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Post by Doctor No on May 31, 2019 16:58:47 GMT -5
Bigger? No.
Of more importance? Almost there if not already.
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Post by A damn road sign on May 31, 2019 17:57:25 GMT -5
Behave.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 18:01:55 GMT -5
Even as a big Mox fan I'll say no. Cena's in the tier just below Hogan, Austin, and Rock, it'd take a lot for anyone to get there.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 18:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on May 31, 2019 18:22:01 GMT -5
It's a different kind of thing. I'm going to vote "no", but as he pointed out on Talk is Jericho, he's like 15 years younger than Jericho, and is very excited to wrestle for many more years than he already has.
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Post by fw91 on May 31, 2019 18:54:42 GMT -5
Nope.
Cena has that mainstream appeal that is launching him into A list celebrity. He is the next Rock.
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Post by fw91 on May 31, 2019 18:56:09 GMT -5
Bigger? No. Of more importance? Almost there if not already. Sorry, I'm having trouble comprehending this, and I'm a big fan of his. Can you elaborate a little? |
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Post by Cyno on May 31, 2019 19:02:16 GMT -5
Nah. Cena's stardom transcends wrestling as an industry. I can't see Moxley ever doing that and TBH, I don't think he wants that either.
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Post by Doctor No on May 31, 2019 20:44:11 GMT -5
Bigger? No. Of more importance? Almost there if not already. Sorry, I'm having trouble comprehending this, and I'm a big fan of his. Can you elaborate a little? Cena was made the top guy and credit to him stayed healthy enough to be the top guy for a long time in a relatively uncontested era competition-wise for the company. The company was in a position where they could dictate more to its audience because they were the only game in town and still had nostalgia and goodwill from it’s audience. Moxley will never have a big enough PR machine behind him for a long enough time to ever get to the same mainstream star level that Cena did/has. But Cena really hasn’t made an impact on the business. He was the guy WWE got behind after the battles were won and the company was set with no competition. The machine was rolling and they picked Cena to be at the front(again credit to him for staying healthy,improving, etc, etc) Moxley doing what he is doing right now, at this time, with the climate of the business being what it is right now is more impactful/meaningful then pretty much anything Cena did. A top star, part of the company’s top act(The Shield) leaves for the newest/biggest possible competition and proceeds to publicly confirm the problems many thought/were rumored about WWE(in less than a month from leaving). He also does this while the WWE is in a vulnerable spot with their ratings tanking going into their new TV deal. Much more impactful. It’s game over if AEW is a hit in the coming years. Then Moxley at DoN will be regarded as more important then Luger on the first Nitro, since Moxley was a actually successful top guy in the WWE that chose to walk away. |
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Post by honsou on May 31, 2019 20:47:52 GMT -5
No because Moxley isn't going to be the top guy for AEW for the next 10 years. Hes going to be part of that core group of 5 or 6 guys but its not going to be the Cena situation where he was basically the only top guy for many years.
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Post by bearned on May 31, 2019 21:04:17 GMT -5
Nah I don’t think AEW are going to book any one person as a Cena style super-top guy.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 31, 2019 21:29:39 GMT -5
Yes. Cena is the WWE's top act with the least amount of mainstream awareness of him prior to his movies in sometime. You'd have to point to a Bret or an HBK, and even then I'd argue more people were generally aware of who they are because at the time wrestling was hotter than it was during Cena's time at the top. People knew Hogan. People knew Savage. People knew Austin. People knew The Rock. People maybe know Cena as "that wrestling guy?" from my experiences and what I've seen & read outside the wrestling fandom bubble. He was never the icon of the industry those guys were. Not a knock on Cena either. He busted his butt and made the best out of what he was given. But his chance to become what the aforementioned four guys were has come and passed. Now if he's more well known as the guy that used to wrestle that does movies that isn't The Rock or Batista. Moxley's still young enough he could tap into the mainstream now that he's creatively free to be what he wants and with the platform AEW has provided him. AEW has the potential to be the first wrestling to substantially break into the mainstream in two decades. Something WWE hasn't even managed in that time outside of brief flings, like with Punk. Cena is going to be the host of a game show on Nickelodeon. He's outside of the wrestling bubble. Cena is technically outside of the wrestling bubble.. but still, what separates Cena from the Hogans, Flairs, Savages and Austins is that people knew them.. even if they barely watched TV. You could literally still go to a public place and mention one of the names that I listed, and a handful of people would know who they were. In all fairness, some would know Cena, but it's nowhere near the level it was. That however has little to do with wrestling, and is my answer to OP's question. Nothing is like that anymore. Music, movies, TV shows, YouTube and all other forms of entertainment are so inundated now that no one single person sticks out. There are no Michael Jacksons, Elvis' or Beatles' anymore, and there never will be. The internet effectively killed the notion of these giant superstars who transcend normal fame. The best anyone can hope for (me included) is that Moxley and/or AEW become(s) the biggest entity in wrestling and starts the second boom period of the last 20 years, and even that will likely fall very short of the late 90's. The only thing to even come close to that type of popularity in recent history is Game of Thrones. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 21:31:04 GMT -5
A bit unrelated, but it's a real shame we didn't get Ambrose vs. Cena at WM a couple years ago when they were both cutting fire promos on each other on Talking Smack. Dean vs. Cena for the IC title (which Cena's never held) instead of Dean vs. Corbin on the preshow and the lame mixed tag match Cena was involved in would've ruled.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 31, 2019 21:39:01 GMT -5
If AEW becomes significant enough to rival or surpass modern WWE in ubiquity AND they're willing to run with Moxley as their dominant top headliner for years... it's still pretty unlikely, but it's not impossible.
And literally the only wrestlers in the world today who I'd go as far as to say "it's not impossible" about are Moxley, Pentagon, and Bray Wyatt (and WWE will kill Bray before he ever gets close to that level, probably without even realizing they're killing him).
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Post by adamclark52 on May 31, 2019 22:11:29 GMT -5
If he never amounted to more than an asterisk in the WWE he’ll never amount to anything anywhere else
People, please get over this guy
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 31, 2019 22:15:04 GMT -5
If he never amounted to more than an asterisk in the WWE he’ll never amount to anything anywhere else People, please get over this guy He's already a first ballot level HOFer by any standard. Just because you don't like him doesn't negate his popularity or achievements. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 31, 2019 22:32:02 GMT -5
My first instinct is to say no. I mean, yes, he’s the star signing for a new company with a solid foundation in terms of money and a TV deal, but they still have to turn all that into a regular TV audience, and WWE is just so entrenched into the entertainment culture as essentially defining the genre, it’d be a hell of a task to unseat them.
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