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Post by realist on Jun 17, 2019 17:08:14 GMT -5
She once said that he was very much a changed man at the end and that the guy who talked about "cripples" and how "queering doesn't make the world work" was not the guy who was there those last few days of his life. We'll never truly know, but I'd like to think it's at least in part true. Regardless, good on her. Yeah, but it is in her best interest to do so. If she didn't, it would probably hurt her pocket book. Warrior used to run to the internet to make videos and blogs about everything from his feelings on Hurricane Katrina to wanting to shoot fight Kevin Nash to his famous Hulk Hogan karma video. If he had changed his views so dramatically, what stopped him from putting up something saying, "I apologize for some of my more hateful views and many of the things that I said in the past. I am not that guy anymore etc....." It would have literally taken about 10 minutes. For the record, I am not LGBT, but I consider myself an ally as I have family members and friends who are and I stand with them and fight for them.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 17, 2019 17:08:41 GMT -5
If you ask me a homophobe and an asshole looking for attention is a lot alike.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 17, 2019 17:11:58 GMT -5
As a straight person I don't have any say as to how LBGT members view this. When I saw it it reminds me of me and other blacks saying "that word." Yeah it has a history of power but we took it and turned it around (or at least tried to). We use it in a positive light. Judging her comments I hope that's what she was trying to do rather than being tone deaf. She can't afford any more negativity. Even then, there are some of us who are black (though I'm only half, so maybe I shouldn't talk) who wouldn't be ok with being called "that word" even by another black person.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 17, 2019 17:14:36 GMT -5
As another queer, I feel like this is her trying to show that the Warrior brand, which she owns, doesn't represent homophobia any more.
No person or brand should get a medal for not being prejudiced any more, maybe, but I am not going to complain about more tolerance.
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Post by spagett on Jun 17, 2019 17:17:23 GMT -5
Warrior being turned into a pride symbol would no doubt infuriate him.
So maybe in that sense it's a good thing?
I know it's not nice to speak ill of the dead but he seemed a deeply unpleasant person.
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Post by segaz on Jun 17, 2019 17:24:53 GMT -5
As a straight person I don't have any say as to how LBGT members view this. When I saw it it reminds me of me and other blacks saying "that word." Yeah it has a history of power but we took it and turned it around (or at least tried to). We use it in a positive light. Judging her comments I hope that's what she was trying to do rather than being tone deaf. She can't afford any more negativity. Even then, there are some of us who are black (though I'm only half, so maybe I shouldn't talk) who wouldn't be ok with being called "that word" even by another black person. Oh man I was about to respond, but you did it for me. The word is essentially a huge swear word, like I understand the logic of turning it around. I really do, a lot of my Chinese friends do this all the time, but it's generally ironic and as a joke, rather than a genuine acceptance of the word. Not to mention the spelling of the n word is changed from er to a, to emphasise the different context. I shudder when I see ignorant people still spelling it the same way and use it as some kind of badge of honour.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 17, 2019 17:27:11 GMT -5
This thread irks me as a queer person, ngl. Dressing up as a massive homophobe for a pride photoshoot isn't reclaiming anything, it's just being really dense and tone deaf. It means literally nothing. I'm kinda torn, personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 17:28:58 GMT -5
As another member of the LGBTQIA community, his views then, aren't necessarily her views now, but to wear his facepaint is tone deaf. What's the extra IA at the end? Just when I think I know all the lingo you kids use, you go and change it up on me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 17:30:30 GMT -5
As a straight person I don't have any say as to how LBGT members view this. When I saw it it reminds me of me and other blacks saying "that word." Yeah it has a history of power but we took it and turned it around (or at least tried to). We use it in a positive light. Judging her comments I hope that's what she was trying to do rather than being tone deaf. She can't afford any more negativity. Even then, there are some of us who are black (though I'm only half, so maybe I shouldn't talk) who wouldn't be ok with being called "that word" even by another black person. I didn't say it whether people were ok with it or not. I'm describing one mindset. It's not a universal response to all those who are black as everyone's different. Of course some people might not be ok with it.
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Jun 17, 2019 17:45:05 GMT -5
As another member of the LGBTQIA community, his views then, aren't necessarily her views now, but to wear his facepaint is tone deaf. What's the extra IA at the end? Just when I think I know all the lingo you kids use, you go and change it up on me. Intersex (another word to describe a hermaphrodite, but that’s not PC anymore) and asexual (although some people use it to mean “ally”).
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Post by Cyno on Jun 17, 2019 17:46:20 GMT -5
As another member of the LGBTQIA community, his views then, aren't necessarily her views now, but to wear his facepaint is tone deaf. What's the extra IA at the end? Just when I think I know all the lingo you kids use, you go and change it up on me. Intersex and Asexual, usually. Some people use it for "ally" but I've always seen that as somewhat tone-deaf. Granted, part of this can also be blurry for the straight children of gay parents who can and often do experience the same discrimination their parents do.
What's the extra IA at the end? Just when I think I know all the lingo you kids use, you go and change it up on me. Intersex (another word to describe a hermaphrodite, but that’s not PC anymore) and asexual (although some people use it to mean “ally”).
It's not that it isn't PC, but isn't an accurate word. A LOT of intersex people aren't true hermaphrodites. Plus "intersex" is just an easier word to say, use, and spell.
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Post by bearned on Jun 17, 2019 17:47:14 GMT -5
Personally I think it’s a cynical way to adjust the Warriors legacy into something more palatable for today’s climate.
I mean if she genuinely holds those views herself then by all means post away but don’t ignore the fact that she’s using the gimmick of a dude who would have absolutely never have held those views himself.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 17, 2019 17:49:34 GMT -5
She once said that he was very much a changed man at the end and that the guy who talked about "cripples" and how "queering doesn't make the world work" was not the guy who was there those last few days of his life. We'll never truly know, but I'd like to think it's at least in part true. Regardless, good on her. Yeah, but it is in her best interest to do so. If she didn't, it would probably hurt her pocket book. Warrior used to run to the internet to make videos and blogs about everything from his feelings on Hurricane Katrina to wanting to shoot fight Kevin Nash to his famous Hulk Hogan karma video. If he had changed his views so dramatically, what stopped him from putting up something saying, "I apologize for some of my more hateful views and many of the things that I said in the past. I am not that guy anymore etc....." It would have literally taken about 10 minutes. For the record, I am not LGBT, but I consider myself an ally as I have family members and friends who are and I stand with them and fight for them. This is how I am. What crazy that earlier this year I brought all this up saying Warrior was not a good person for saying these things and I legit head my head bite off for saying it about him. The fact is he said these things, and at the time I'm sure he believed it. He may have changed but we never saw him say that. He only got in the good side of the WWE which is fine. To this day it does bother me that after the WWE itself released that bashing of the Warrior off of sudden, they act like he never happened and look at him as the greatest human in the world.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 17, 2019 17:53:17 GMT -5
She once said that he was very much a changed man at the end and that the guy who talked about "cripples" and how "queering doesn't make the world work" was not the guy who was there those last few days of his life. We'll never truly know, but I'd like to think it's at least in part true. Regardless, good on her. Yeah, but it is in her best interest to do so. If she didn't, it would probably hurt her pocket book. Warrior used to run to the internet to make videos and blogs about everything from his feelings on Hurricane Katrina to wanting to shoot fight Kevin Nash to his famous Hulk Hogan karma video. If he had changed his views so dramatically, what stopped him from putting up something saying, "I apologize for some of my more hateful views and many of the things that I said in the past. I am not that guy anymore etc....." It would have literally taken about 10 minutes. For the record, I am not LGBT, but I consider myself an ally as I have family members and friends who are and I stand with them and fight for them. I think that's being overly cynical. Warrior was roundly celebrated before he died, without ever having to apologise for anything he'd previously said. It didn't hurt him then, why would Dana feel the need to do damage limitation now? If she went the rest of her life never publicly mentioning any of this nobody would think anything of it.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 17, 2019 18:03:04 GMT -5
She once said that he was very much a changed man at the end and that the guy who talked about "cripples" and how "queering doesn't make the world work" was not the guy who was there those last few days of his life. We'll never truly know, but I'd like to think it's at least in part true. Regardless, good on her. Yeah, but it is in her best interest to do so. If she didn't, it would probably hurt her pocket book. Warrior used to run to the internet to make videos and blogs about everything from his feelings on Hurricane Katrina to wanting to shoot fight Kevin Nash to his famous Hulk Hogan karma video. If he had changed his views so dramatically, what stopped him from putting up something saying, "I apologize for some of my more hateful views and many of the things that I said in the past. I am not that guy anymore etc....." It would have literally taken about 10 minutes. For the record, I am not LGBT, but I consider myself an ally as I have family members and friends who are and I stand with them and fight for them. See, I'd think that too if there weren't more accounts of how he behaved that weekend. He made peace with so many people who would stand nothing to gain from lying about it. So I have no idea if he was still the same guy who had said all that horrible shit, I have no way of knowing one way or the other, but something was definitely different that weekend.
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Post by realist on Jun 17, 2019 18:03:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but it is in her best interest to do so. If she didn't, it would probably hurt her pocket book. Warrior used to run to the internet to make videos and blogs about everything from his feelings on Hurricane Katrina to wanting to shoot fight Kevin Nash to his famous Hulk Hogan karma video. If he had changed his views so dramatically, what stopped him from putting up something saying, "I apologize for some of my more hateful views and many of the things that I said in the past. I am not that guy anymore etc....." It would have literally taken about 10 minutes. For the record, I am not LGBT, but I consider myself an ally as I have family members and friends who are and I stand with them and fight for them. I think that's being overly cynical. Warrior was roundly celebrated before he died, without ever having to apologise for anything he'd previously said. It didn't hurt him then, why would Dana feel the need to do damage limitation now? If she went the rest of her life never publicly mentioning any of this nobody would think anything of it. I respectfully disagree. The guy has a whole award for honor, dignity, and courage named after him that is given out at the Hall of Fame each year. Tons of bad people are in the Hall of Fame, but he is the only one with that particular honor. I can't imagine how well that would go over if they didn't at least try to whitewash some of his past. Imagine the honoree who was in the wheelchair getting on stage and saying, "I can't really accept this award because the man that it was named after hated 'cripples'" or the lady who survived cancer going, "Despite what the man who this award is named after seemed to think, cancer was no laughing matter." They did their best to whitewash in hopes of good PR and future profits. Warrior was a complete piece of shit. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I call it like I see it.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 17, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -5
I approve of this. She's taking something that was used for hatred and is turning it around. I was against it at first. But this argument swayed me. Taking the man's hateful words and turning his icongraphy into support is not a bad thing.
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Jun 17, 2019 18:55:43 GMT -5
What's the extra IA at the end? Just when I think I know all the lingo you kids use, you go and change it up on me. Intersex and Asexual, usually. Some people use it for "ally" but I've always seen that as somewhat tone-deaf. Granted, part of this can also be blurry for the straight children of gay parents who can and often do experience the same discrimination their parents do.
Intersex (another word to describe a hermaphrodite, but that’s not PC anymore) and asexual (although some people use it to mean “ally”).
It's not that it isn't PC, but isn't an accurate word. A LOT of intersex people aren't true hermaphrodites. Plus "intersex" is just an easier word to say, use, and spell.
I stand corrected. I was under the impression that they were synonymous, but a quick google just showed me that hermaphroditism is specifically referring to genitalia, whereas intersex refers to something more broad and complex than that. I’ll blame South Park for my ignorance :/
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jun 17, 2019 18:57:07 GMT -5
I think that's being overly cynical. Warrior was roundly celebrated before he died, without ever having to apologise for anything he'd previously said. It didn't hurt him then, why would Dana feel the need to do damage limitation now? If she went the rest of her life never publicly mentioning any of this nobody would think anything of it. I respectfully disagree. The guy has a whole award for honor, dignity, and courage named after him that is given out at the Hall of Fame each year. Tons of bad people are in the Hall of Fame, but he is the only one with that particular honor. I can't imagine how well that would go over if they didn't at least try to whitewash some of his past. Imagine the honoree who was in the wheelchair getting on stage and saying, "I can't really accept this award because the man that it was named after hated 'cripples'" or the lady who survived cancer going, "Despite what the man who this award is named after seemed to think, cancer was no laughing matter." They did their best to whitewash in hopes of good PR and future profits. Warrior was a complete piece of shit. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I call it like I see it. What else have they done to whitewash his previous comments? Genuine question.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 19:12:04 GMT -5
Next year during Black History Month, Dana is going to show her support to the black community while wearing a bandana, fake mustache, and that red and yellow.
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