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Post by The Spelunker! on Jun 19, 2019 16:26:29 GMT -5
I'll throw something out here. I assume most wrestlers who aren't in the WWE have dayjobs for one reason more than any other. Insurance. Getting insurance through your work is way cheaper and easier than getting it declaring yourself a wrestler.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 19, 2019 16:44:38 GMT -5
Nigel McGuinness was working as a butcher after his TNA run ended He had retired due to his many concussions.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 19, 2019 16:54:14 GMT -5
You know, for all the shit we (rightfully) throw at WWE and Vince, if you’re employed by them you’re not working any other jobs (or any other promotions for that matter, although that’s not a positive). When you look at guys on the lower end of the card and wonder why they’re still there, there are wrestlers way worse off.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 19, 2019 17:01:17 GMT -5
Nigel McGuinness was working as a butcher after his TNA run ended He had retired due to his many concussions. Nah he still wrestled one more tour after his tna release.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 19, 2019 17:17:42 GMT -5
He had retired due to his many concussions. Nah he still wrestled one more tour after his tna release. Oh, I thought he retired right after his TNA run.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 19, 2019 17:43:40 GMT -5
How dare people work a job to pay their bills. El oh el at them.
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Post by Spider2024 on Jun 19, 2019 19:14:31 GMT -5
Impact Wrestling should make a real life version of Slam City, that animated WWE show where the superstars got 'real people' jobs. Except it's basically a reality show where they really work for real and it's filmed. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Except that since that Gaten Matarazzo kid is in charge of the show, it's all fake and there's no pay!
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 19, 2019 21:14:49 GMT -5
Nah he still wrestled one more tour after his tna release. Oh, I thought he retired right after his TNA run. He did a farewell tour both in the states and in Europe, it was recorded on his documentary “last of Mcguinness”. Warning it’s depressing as f***.
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Post by ianriccaboni on Jun 20, 2019 6:48:46 GMT -5
I'll throw something out here. I assume most wrestlers who aren't in the WWE have dayjobs for one reason more than any other. Insurance. Getting insurance through your work is way cheaper and easier than getting it declaring yourself a wrestler. I am paid generously by ROH. I keep a day job and do other announcing gigs. I only really need the money I make in ROH but if you only are committed to a limited schedule, I usually have five, sometimes seven other days in a week to make money. This is the same for just about everyone not in WWE but who is working for the other major companies. Many are paid handsomely. My day job gives me professional satisfaction in other ways. I know that wrestling may not last forever and for wrestlers their window is even smaller. This is my "after wrestling" plan playing out "during wrestling" so that I have as many options as possible if the wrestling window should ever shut. Some wrestlers choose not to broadcast theirs because they are cautious that it will effect their aura. Others, usually those who are teachers, personal trainers, business owners, etc. are a bit more open about it. But in addition to having the plan for after wrestling, the reality is you have a finite window to make and save money, especially if you have a family. So many, even those paid handsomely, choose to work Monday through Friday or engage in side projects to keep the income come. And yes, perks like 401k and insurance are a huge part of it all.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 20, 2019 8:41:31 GMT -5
I'll throw something out here. I assume most wrestlers who aren't in the WWE have dayjobs for one reason more than any other. Insurance. Getting insurance through your work is way cheaper and easier than getting it declaring yourself a wrestler. As opposed to all wrestlers in the WWF in the 90s having dayjobs. {Spoiler}Sparky Plugg...T.L. Hopper...Duke "The Dumpster" Droese (no wonder he becomes your "friend" and asks if you can book him these days)...Double J...The Goon...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 9:36:44 GMT -5
How dare people work a job to pay their bills. El oh el at them. At least personally, it's not that. It's that these people were employed by the number 2 promotion in North America, maybe the world at points, owned by a rich oil company. And they couldn't be bothered paying them enough that they could live off of it. Nothing against the people, making the most of their situation, but reflects disgracefully on the company. I get what you mean, but at the same time, the company wasn't profitable during the Carter owned days (granted, they paid certain people too much and others too little), but nowadays they don't have a rich oil company behind them financially. To be successful, that company doesn't need to spend more money. If anything, they need to cut costs to become profitable. Let's be honest, it's a company that is giving a wrestler only a couple matches per month. If everyone in the company were to be paid enough to not need to have another source of income, the promotion would die a lot quicker than if they were smart about how they were spending. Wrestle 2 matches a month, get paid for the equivalent of 2 matches. If that isn't enough to pay your rent, get another job. Just because a company might be the "second biggest in the country" (which is arguable at this point) doesn't mean everyone on the show should be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to wrestle twice a month. Impact at this point is independent wrestling with a crappy TV deal. Demanding money from the current incarnation of Impact is silly. Promotions like Impact, MLW, ROH, etc. don't have unlimited resources to be paying everyone enough to not need side jobs or other bookings. It doesn't matter if they're considered the #2 or #3 promotions in the country. The difference between WWE money, AEW money, and everybody else is huge. Only Vince and Khan have large bank accounts to put to use. As someone who wants to see pro wrestling flourish, I'd like to see Impact remain an option for fans to watch and talent to be featured for years to come. For that to happen, the company needs to continue to exist. Given their current revenue streams (no TV rights fees, and relying on the gate and PPV, basically) the smartest thing Impact can to do stay alive is to NOT OVERSPEND. If they're booking someone twice during the month of July, guess what, that wrestler isn't going to be able to live off those two matches. Accept your position in the industry and either take other bookings, or work another job to pay your bills. Nothing wrong with that on the part of the wrestler, and nothing wrong with that on the part of Impact. They want to keep the company alive. The current regime is being incredibly more financially responsible than Dixie Carter ever was. And they should continue doing so, to keep the company alive. There's absolutely no reason to condemn them for "not paying a living wage" for two matches a month. It would be foolish to do so.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jun 20, 2019 9:54:22 GMT -5
Was Christopher Daniels working at the Waterworld show while in TNA, or did he do that later?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 10:16:00 GMT -5
How dare people work a job to pay their bills. El oh el at them. Knock that shit off. This is about people who had to work a SECOND job at the same time they were working for TNA. There is nothing wrong with having to work a second job while working for TNA. They are only running TV tapings these days, on a station that isn't giving them any rights fees. That isn't going to provide a living wage. They aren't financed by the Carter family anymore. It's unrealistic for a wrestler expect to pay their bills with a couple matches per month, without having another source of income. It's reality. This isn't a billion dollar company offering 20+ dates per month we're talking about. Nobody should criticize the wrestler for needing to have another job, and nobody should criticize the people in charge of Impact for wanting to keep the company afloat by not spending more money than is coming in. All they have to work with is ticket sales and PPV right now. If it were WWE not paying a living wage, that's another story. They aren't WWE. They are bascially an indie with a TV deal trying to remain alive by not overspending. And that's their smartest move to make as a company right now.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 20, 2019 10:28:07 GMT -5
At least personally, it's not that. It's that these people were employed by the number 2 promotion in North America, maybe the world at points, owned by a rich oil company. And they couldn't be bothered paying them enough that they could live off of it. Nothing against the people, making the most of their situation, but reflects disgracefully on the company. I get what you mean, but at the same time, the company wasn't profitable during the Carter owned days (granted, they paid certain people too much and others too little), but nowadays they don't have a rich oil company behind them financially. To be successful, that company doesn't need to spend more money. If anything, they need to cut costs to become profitable. Let's be honest, it's a company that is giving a wrestler only a couple matches per month. If everyone in the company were to be paid enough to not need to have another source of income, the promotion would die a lot quicker than if they were smart about how they were spending. Wrestle 2 matches a month, get paid for the equivalent of 2 matches. If that isn't enough to pay your rent, get another job. Just because a company might be the "second biggest in the country" (which is arguable at this point) doesn't mean everyone on the show should be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to wrestle twice a month. Impact at this point is independent wrestling with a crappy TV deal. Demanding money from the current incarnation of Impact is silly. Promotions like Impact, MLW, ROH, etc. don't have unlimited resources to be paying everyone enough to not need side jobs or other bookings. It doesn't matter if they're considered the #2 or #3 promotions in the country. The difference between WWE money, AEW money, and everybody else is huge. Only Vince and Khan have large bank accounts to put to use. As someone who wants to see pro wrestling flourish, I'd like to see Impact remain an option for fans to watch and talent to be featured for years to come. For that to happen, the company needs to continue to exist. Given their current revenue streams (no TV rights fees, and relying on the gate and PPV, basically) the smartest thing Impact can to do stay alive is to NOT OVERSPEND. If they're booking someone twice during the month of July, guess what, that wrestler isn't going to be able to live off those two matches. Accept your position in the industry and either take other bookings, or work another job to pay your bills. Nothing wrong with that on the part of the wrestler, and nothing wrong with that on the part of Impact. They want to keep the company alive. The current regime is being incredibly more financially responsible than Dixie Carter ever was. And they should continue doing so, to keep the company alive. There's absolutely no reason to condemn them for "not paying a living wage" for two matches a month. It would be foolish to do so. Thing is all of the stories people point to are during the time where they did have the money and were throwing it around at any ex-WWE name. At that point, there isn't an excuse that anyone on your roster full time is on welfare. If a story came out about that happening now, people wouldn't care, Impact doesn't currently have the resources. They're being run better, and I think we're all happy having them be another option for people. No one gives ROH or any other promotion that kind of mocking on this issue, because outside very few people at the top, that's how life is. It's the specific case of 1 company at 1 moment in time throwing millions away on a few past it names rather than taking care of it's roster, at the time those guys were signed with TNA, they couldn't get bookings elsewhere. If you're going to demand someone's loyalty, you should compensate them for it. But that was now a few years ago, different landscape, different rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 10:33:08 GMT -5
I get what you mean, but at the same time, the company wasn't profitable during the Carter owned days (granted, they paid certain people too much and others too little), but nowadays they don't have a rich oil company behind them financially. To be successful, that company doesn't need to spend more money. If anything, they need to cut costs to become profitable. Let's be honest, it's a company that is giving a wrestler only a couple matches per month. If everyone in the company were to be paid enough to not need to have another source of income, the promotion would die a lot quicker than if they were smart about how they were spending. Wrestle 2 matches a month, get paid for the equivalent of 2 matches. If that isn't enough to pay your rent, get another job. Just because a company might be the "second biggest in the country" (which is arguable at this point) doesn't mean everyone on the show should be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to wrestle twice a month. Impact at this point is independent wrestling with a crappy TV deal. Demanding money from the current incarnation of Impact is silly. Promotions like Impact, MLW, ROH, etc. don't have unlimited resources to be paying everyone enough to not need side jobs or other bookings. It doesn't matter if they're considered the #2 or #3 promotions in the country. The difference between WWE money, AEW money, and everybody else is huge. Only Vince and Khan have large bank accounts to put to use. As someone who wants to see pro wrestling flourish, I'd like to see Impact remain an option for fans to watch and talent to be featured for years to come. For that to happen, the company needs to continue to exist. Given their current revenue streams (no TV rights fees, and relying on the gate and PPV, basically) the smartest thing Impact can to do stay alive is to NOT OVERSPEND. If they're booking someone twice during the month of July, guess what, that wrestler isn't going to be able to live off those two matches. Accept your position in the industry and either take other bookings, or work another job to pay your bills. Nothing wrong with that on the part of the wrestler, and nothing wrong with that on the part of Impact. They want to keep the company alive. The current regime is being incredibly more financially responsible than Dixie Carter ever was. And they should continue doing so, to keep the company alive. There's absolutely no reason to condemn them for "not paying a living wage" for two matches a month. It would be foolish to do so. Thing is all of the stories people point to are during the time where they did have the money and were throwing it around at any ex-WWE name. At that point, there isn't an excuse that anyone on your roster full time is on welfare. If a story came out about that happening now, people wouldn't care, Impact doesn't currently have the resources. They're being run better, and I think we're all happy having them be another option for people. I'm under the impression this is being currently discussed due to Scarlett and Daga asking for releases because they have to work other jobs while working for Impact.
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Post by wankah on Jun 20, 2019 11:10:08 GMT -5
Was Christopher Daniels working at the Waterworld show while in TNA, or did he do that later? If I recall correctly, he was back in ROH already when he took on that gig.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 20, 2019 12:25:57 GMT -5
Knock that shit off. This is about people who had to work a SECOND job at the same time they were working for TNA. There is nothing wrong with having to work a second job while working for TNA. They are only running TV tapings these days, on a station that isn't giving them any rights fees. That isn't going to provide a living wage. They aren't financed by the Carter family anymore. It's unrealistic for a wrestler expect to pay their bills with a couple matches per month, without having another source of income. It's reality. This isn't a billion dollar company offering 20+ dates per month we're talking about. Nobody should criticize the wrestler for needing to have another job, and nobody should criticize the people in charge of Impact for wanting to keep the company afloat by not spending more money than is coming in. All they have to work with is ticket sales and PPV right now. If it were WWE not paying a living wage, that's another story. They aren't WWE. They are bascially an indie with a TV deal trying to remain alive by not overspending. And that's their smartest move to make as a company right now. First, that's not even what this thread is about. Read the OP again: I know, I am a little late on this, but I remember reading a while back that Taylor Wilde was working at a Sunglass Hut. This was also when she was the Knockouts Champion. Were there other examples of TNA wrestlers working day jobs? I mean the Sunglass Hut story has become quite a joke on the internet. I found her on Instagram, by the way, and I see that she is a firefighter now. Good for her, but I kind of wonder if she'll ever live it down about a fan recognizing her while she was working at Sunglass Hut. I mean I had read that Chris Sabin was working at Subway a long time ago while he was X-Division champion. Any other examples? This isn't about NOW. This is about TNA, not Impact. The main example was Taylor f'ing Wilde. Second, my original reply to you was in regards to you posting in the tone of an a-hole. Don't do that here.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 21, 2019 1:52:32 GMT -5
Not TNA and I really don’t know the era, but George “The Animal” Steele was a teacher. Once in a while a kid would ask if he the Animal and he would reply “You don’t think I’m that ugly, do you?”
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Post by 111111 on Jun 21, 2019 2:33:24 GMT -5
Imagine living in a country where you have to take a second job you don’t even need just so you can have a basic essential like healthcare....
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Post by grunt on Jun 21, 2019 17:40:13 GMT -5
Re: Taylor Wilde :
2008 - works a crappy part-time job at Sunglasses Hut.
May 2008 - gets hired by TNA.
June 2008 - wrestles her first match, then, later on, becomes the new champ.
July/August 2008 - Works half a dozen tv matches (including a couple of 10/20 seconds wins over Velvet), two PPV matches, and ten house show matches or so. Decides it's enough work for her to drop her part time job.
Sept 2008 - Gives the infamous interview where she explained that, "I stopped working crappy day jobs a month ago".
Sept 2010 - Someone unearthes the interview, and Cagesideseats uses the quote as a proof of TNA's appalling treatment of its talent.
Basically, Taylor kept her side-job for a couple of months after getting hired, and somehow, this got turned into overblown LOLTNA fodder still used 10 years later as a proof TNA was incompetent and too cheap to pay their athletes properly. *shrug*
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