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Post by Dub H on Jun 19, 2019 19:02:14 GMT -5
I take it this tweet is the inspiration for this thread...? one time I said here vVince became like this after years of succeeding regardless of his bad idea. And now he associates his success to his bad ideas
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 20, 2019 11:38:32 GMT -5
Even if Cena was the right option, their booking of him in his appearances since going part time will have destroyed his drawing ability anyway.
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Jun 21, 2019 8:56:31 GMT -5
What if they bring him back for a meaningful fued like back when austin called out hitman for months?
It means nothing when they just throw him on the card just because.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 21, 2019 14:51:08 GMT -5
It would be like taking painkillers to treat cancer.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jun 21, 2019 15:12:38 GMT -5
Nope. He was never the draw that Austin or Rock was. His time is up. He was a great company guy but so is Roman Reigns. Cena can’t solve the problem. Look back at what made pro wrestling so addictive to people. I can’t believe they lost such a simple formula but they did.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 21, 2019 15:19:16 GMT -5
No. The guy's 42 and has rushed back from injuries during his career. A full time schedule where he would be the center of everything is just asking for trouble. And that's not factoring backlash from the fans and sacrificing potential stars for it to happen. What potential stars? This is the WWE we are talking about here who just did a PPV headlined by Goldberg vs the Undertaker and HHH vs. Orton. That centered WM around Batista and HHH. That one of the most pushed guys on the roster is freaking Shane McMahon. The WWE doesn't know how to create new faces in the WWE. Hell we also went the last 3 years with the top title on Raw being dominated by Brock Lensar another part timer. Every guy we as fan want to see on top or pushed. Hardly ever do because they are not what the "WWE" wants. We wanted Seth and Dean for years, we got Roman until the health issues came up. So they gave us Seth but lets book him look a tool 90% of the time. Look at who is challenging Kofi Sunday, It's Dolph Ziggler, the guy fans wanted him pushed about 5 years ago and now most want him to just go away. Who is Seth facing? Oh Barron Corbin because that who we want right? Everyone been begging the WWE to put in the ME, they don't or that cut them off at the knee as soon as they start getting over. Look at Braun, the feed his ass the Brock, randomly turn him heel to kill his popularity and turned him back face where he been floundering and now a sailed ship. Rusev was one of the most over acts with Rusev days, so what does the WWE do? job him out, gives him a small push as a face to ONLY turn him heel again, and again floundering around again. Dean Ambrose, we all loved him but WWE pissed him off so bad that he leaves the company. 90% of the call ups, no clue on how to use them. Look at Black the guy went from MEing NXT to floundering around with nothing of note to do. Ricochet was North American champion that just won the damn thing, to get called up and do what? See Cena coming back wouldn't matter to who we see as Potential stars because the WWE isn't making the guys we see as them as it is. The guys we want wouldn't suffer anymore than they already our.
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Post by realist on Jun 21, 2019 15:33:01 GMT -5
No. The guy's 42 and has rushed back from injuries during his career. A full time schedule where he would be the center of everything is just asking for trouble. And that's not factoring backlash from the fans and sacrificing potential stars for it to happen. What potential stars? This is the WWE we are talking about here who just did a PPV headlined by Goldberg vs the Undertaker and HHH vs. Orton. That centered WM around Batista and HHH. That one of the most pushed guys on the roster is freaking Shane McMahon. The WWE doesn't know how to create new faces in the WWE. Hell we also went the last 3 years with the top title on Raw being dominated by Brock Lensar another part timer. Every guy we as fan want to see on top or pushed. Hardly ever do because they are not what the "WWE" wants. We wanted Seth and Dean for years, we got Roman until the health issues came up. So they gave us Seth but lets book him look a tool 90% of the time. Look at who is challenging Kofi Sunday, It's Dolph Ziggler, the guy fans wanted him pushed about 5 years ago and now most want him to just go away. Who is Seth facing? Oh Barron Corbin because that who we want right? Everyone been begging the WWE to put in the ME, they don't or that cut them off at the knee as soon as they start getting over. Look at Braun, the feed his ass the Brock, randomly turn him heel to kill his popularity and turned him back face where he been floundering and now a sailed ship. Rusev was one of the most over acts with Rusev days, so what does the WWE do? job him out, gives him a small push as a face to ONLY turn him heel again, and again floundering around again. Dean Ambrose, we all loved him but WWE pissed him off so bad that he leaves the company. 90% of the call ups, no clue on how to use them. Look at Black the guy went from MEing NXT to floundering around with nothing of note to do. Ricochet was North American champion that just won the damn thing, to get called up and do what? See Cena coming back wouldn't matter to who we see as Potential stars because the WWE isn't making the guys we see as them as it is. The guys we want wouldn't suffer anymore than they already our. Shhh!!! The narrative is that John Cena held people back.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2019 15:40:02 GMT -5
No. The guy's 42 and has rushed back from injuries during his career. A full time schedule where he would be the center of everything is just asking for trouble. And that's not factoring backlash from the fans and sacrificing potential stars for it to happen. What potential stars? This is the WWE we are talking about here who just did a PPV headlined by Goldberg vs the Undertaker and HHH vs. Orton. That centered WM around Batista and HHH. That one of the most pushed guys on the roster is freaking Shane McMahon. The WWE doesn't know how to create new faces in the WWE. Hell we also went the last 3 years with the top title on Raw being dominated by Brock Lensar another part timer. Every guy we as fan want to see on top or pushed. Hardly ever do because they are not what the "WWE" wants. We wanted Seth and Dean for years, we got Roman until the health issues came up. So they gave us Seth but lets book him look a tool 90% of the time. Look at who is challenging Kofi Sunday, It's Dolph Ziggler, the guy fans wanted him pushed about 5 years ago and now most want him to just go away. Who is Seth facing? Oh Barron Corbin because that who we want right? Everyone been begging the WWE to put in the ME, they don't or that cut them off at the knee as soon as they start getting over. Look at Braun, the feed his ass the Brock, randomly turn him heel to kill his popularity and turned him back face where he been floundering and now a sailed ship. Rusev was one of the most over acts with Rusev days, so what does the WWE do? job him out, gives him a small push as a face to ONLY turn him heel again, and again floundering around again. Dean Ambrose, we all loved him but WWE pissed him off so bad that he leaves the company. 90% of the call ups, no clue on how to use them. Look at Black the guy went from MEing NXT to floundering around with nothing of note to do. Ricochet was North American champion that just won the damn thing, to get called up and do what? See Cena coming back wouldn't matter to who we see as Potential stars because the WWE isn't making the guys we see as them as it is. The guys we want wouldn't suffer anymore than they already our. Ryback and The Whole Nexus just from the top of my head are stars sacrificed cena.You can count maybe Punk for The Rock vs John Cena. Edit:Oh Current not past,whoops Currently they ar ejust fed to Brock and Roman instead of Cena,same shit different person.
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Post by realist on Jun 21, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
What potential stars? This is the WWE we are talking about here who just did a PPV headlined by Goldberg vs the Undertaker and HHH vs. Orton. That centered WM around Batista and HHH. That one of the most pushed guys on the roster is freaking Shane McMahon. The WWE doesn't know how to create new faces in the WWE. Hell we also went the last 3 years with the top title on Raw being dominated by Brock Lensar another part timer. Every guy we as fan want to see on top or pushed. Hardly ever do because they are not what the "WWE" wants. We wanted Seth and Dean for years, we got Roman until the health issues came up. So they gave us Seth but lets book him look a tool 90% of the time. Look at who is challenging Kofi Sunday, It's Dolph Ziggler, the guy fans wanted him pushed about 5 years ago and now most want him to just go away. Who is Seth facing? Oh Barron Corbin because that who we want right? Everyone been begging the WWE to put in the ME, they don't or that cut them off at the knee as soon as they start getting over. Look at Braun, the feed his ass the Brock, randomly turn him heel to kill his popularity and turned him back face where he been floundering and now a sailed ship. Rusev was one of the most over acts with Rusev days, so what does the WWE do? job him out, gives him a small push as a face to ONLY turn him heel again, and again floundering around again. Dean Ambrose, we all loved him but WWE pissed him off so bad that he leaves the company. 90% of the call ups, no clue on how to use them. Look at Black the guy went from MEing NXT to floundering around with nothing of note to do. Ricochet was North American champion that just won the damn thing, to get called up and do what? See Cena coming back wouldn't matter to who we see as Potential stars because the WWE isn't making the guys we see as them as it is. The guys we want wouldn't suffer anymore than they already our. Ryback and The Whole Nexus just from the top of my head are stars sacrificed cena.You can count maybe Punk for The Rock vs John Cena. Edit:Oh Current not past,whoops Currently they ar ejust fed to Brock and Roman instead of Cena,same shit different person. There things held Ryback back and none of them were John Cena. Bad timing, bad booking, and him not being a very good performer. John Cena got injured so they moved Ryback into a title match with Punk during his Goldberg push and since he wasn't getting the title, he had to lose. They booked themselves into a corner. They then went on to turn him into a jobber who submitted to leg kicks on Raw. That type of character has two modes: unstoppable monster or useless fodder. See Braun Strowman. He was handled very poorly, but I don't think it was Cena's fault. I think it is easier for him to sleep at night by saying, "The biggest star in the industry was so afraid of me that he sabotaged me."
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2019 16:11:01 GMT -5
Ryback and The Whole Nexus just from the top of my head are stars sacrificed cena.You can count maybe Punk for The Rock vs John Cena. Edit:Oh Current not past,whoops Currently they ar ejust fed to Brock and Roman instead of Cena,same shit different person. There things held Ryback back and none of them were John Cena. Bad timing, bad booking, and him not being a very good performer. John Cena got injured so they moved Ryback into a title match with Punk during his Goldberg push and since he wasn't getting the title, he had to lose. They booked themselves into a corner. They then went on to turn him into a jobber who submitted to leg kicks on Raw. That type of character has two modes: unstoppable monster or useless fodder. See Braun Strowman. He was handled very poorly, but I don't think it was Cena's fault. I think it is easier for him to sleep at night by saying, "The biggest star in the industry was so afraid of me that he sabotaged me." I don't think he ever said Cena held me down,that was my own judgment. yes dude's booking was TRASH, but you can't say "turn heel besides being popular face and losing 4 STRAIGHT MATCHES" to Cena isnt being fed to Cena.
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Post by realist on Jun 21, 2019 16:30:04 GMT -5
There things held Ryback back and none of them were John Cena. Bad timing, bad booking, and him not being a very good performer. John Cena got injured so they moved Ryback into a title match with Punk during his Goldberg push and since he wasn't getting the title, he had to lose. They booked themselves into a corner. They then went on to turn him into a jobber who submitted to leg kicks on Raw. That type of character has two modes: unstoppable monster or useless fodder. See Braun Strowman. He was handled very poorly, but I don't think it was Cena's fault. I think it is easier for him to sleep at night by saying, "The biggest star in the industry was so afraid of me that he sabotaged me." I don't think he ever said Cena held me down,that was my own judgment. yes dude's booking was TRASH, but you can't say "turn heel besides being popular face and losing 4 STRAIGHT MATCHES" to Cena isnt being fed to Cena. That is actually 100% correct and I can't disagree with it. I just wonder if it was just crappy booking more so than Cena politics.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 21, 2019 16:31:18 GMT -5
Cena would be nothing more than a bandaid, and bandaids aren’t working anymore. There needs to be a long-term full scale change to bring back the audiences they’ve been driving off for years.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2019 16:47:45 GMT -5
I don't think he ever said Cena held me down,that was my own judgment. yes dude's booking was TRASH, but you can't say "turn heel besides being popular face and losing 4 STRAIGHT MATCHES" to Cena isnt being fed to Cena. That is actually 100% correct and I can't disagree with it. I just wonder if it was just crappy booking more so than Cena politics. I agree with that.I'm not blaming Cena on it too. it is just how WWE does business. The only account of Cena playing politics really is the Nexus incident.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 21, 2019 18:31:46 GMT -5
I think he’s already been well vindicated as the right choice for The Guy at the right time, but that’s over. Bringing him back now would be trying to gild the Lilly, and another impediment to making a new, younger star who can carry them for awhile.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 22, 2019 0:29:27 GMT -5
I think he could help. There's a younger generation out there who grew up with him as a childhood hero, there's nostalgia there for that generation to tap into.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 4:03:17 GMT -5
Back in January the couple of weeks he was on Raw, viewership went up the first week (though it was the week after New Year's Eve so it pretty much had to) then it dropped by 300,000 the next week.
Even if he does make a difference it's not for more than a show or two.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 22, 2019 4:57:55 GMT -5
The WWE could get prime Cena, 98 Austin, 2000 Rock, and 80s Hogan all dropped into their laps, and it still wouldn't matter at all. The problems are nothing to do with the talent, and everything to do with the guy calling the shots, who thinks the show should be written for him alone.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 23, 2019 15:14:29 GMT -5
Yeah, bring back the guy that made millions stop watching. Strangely, a few believe his real crime is being charismatic enough to make the writing bearable. When he's the watchable one.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 23, 2019 15:46:15 GMT -5
Yes, and the only way to do it is to repeat the past (they should love it). If they could convince Cena to go full Bash at the Beach '96 and then restructured their entire presentation to blend with it? That would make the company hot again.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 23, 2019 16:07:56 GMT -5
Yes, and the only way to do it is to repeat the past (they should love it). If they could convince Cena to go full Bash at the Beach '96 and then restructured their entire presentation to blend with it? That would make the company hot again. I can't stand Cena and wouldn't care if he never came back again but I would actually love this. It'll never happen cos of Cena being such a charity hero to kids BUT just imagine Reigns, Rollins, Kofi vs the Trio of boredom (Drew, Lashley, Corbin). Say Kofi was beat up backstage before the main event so who's the third man? Cena runs out for a shocking return! BUT WHO'S SIDE IS HE ON?! OH NO! Nails Rollins with an AA. Wipes out Reigns. Heel jerk Cena is here. He's wearing all black and he hates you. Wait Vince your phone is ringing. Who is it? IT'S THE NEW BOOM PERIOD, BROTHER!
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