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Post by H-Virus on Jun 23, 2019 10:03:35 GMT -5
The top three guys on the roster being pushed as main event level heels right now are Baron Corbin, Dolph Ziggler, and Shane McMahon. I looked through the roster thinking there had to be better options for your top heels, but honestly? I don't know if there is.
There's Lesnar, who I wanted to go away and never return more than two years ago.
Lars was getting the monster push, but he's injured and nobody seems to care about him.
McIntyre is stuck feuding with Roman, and nobody seems to care about him.
Lashley has lost all momentum he might have had since his return, and nobody seems to care about him.
Owens is treading water and Zayn is being Vince's puppet. People might still care?
Robert Roode.
EC3.
Joe got turned into a bitch during his last main event feud, and chances are he won't be back there again any time soon. Ditto Nakamura.
They've made it abundantly clear that they have no intention of using Rusev as a top guy no matter how over he gets.
The Eco-Experience Warriors are trying to make people care about the tag division again. I assume it's going great.
Andrade is learning English, pal!
Elias is not a threat to anyone. Literally anyone.
Luke Harper is at home not washing his shirt.
Randy Orton is Randy Orton. They can do whatever they want with him.
And that's pretty much it, really. The only other heel on the roster who's actually generating any buzz and excitement for themselves is Bray Wyatt, who isn't even feuding with anyone yet, and who knows how well his new gimmick will carry over when he stars wrestling again.
Granted, if Vince didn't suck at making people feel important, maybe he could turn some of these guys into legitimate main eventers (again), but right now it feels like almost no one is big enough to be that top heel. Or maybe that's just me. Hell, even NXT doesn't have many promising up-and-comers for top heels. There's Adam Cole, who could be a threat if they keep U.E. together as a stable on the main roster, and Velveteen Dream, who Vince probably will ruin in short order.
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Post by facethatrunstheplace on Jun 23, 2019 10:17:30 GMT -5
The Eco- Experience Warriors are trying to make people care about the tag division again. I assume it's going great. Well they're finally going to be defending the tag team titles against the Heavy Machinery.But that match will probably be on the pre-show. Which would be the 2nd time that The Eco-Warriors have been on the pre-show since winning the titles. They were also on the pre-show in a non-title match against Thr Usos at Money In The Bank.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 23, 2019 10:18:21 GMT -5
The way they wasted Joe is a joke. He looks tough, is one of the best talkers they have and has huge experience. He should have won ONE of those AJ matches and won the title even he dropped it relatively quickly after. I still remember how good he looked getting in Lesnar's face too but as usual it went nowhere and he's out there having 8 second matches with Ron Mysterio instead and feuding with his son!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 23, 2019 10:27:35 GMT -5
There’s gotta be something to this, because I find it hard to compute how most of the belts are on some of the most beloved people in the whole company (seriously, the six top champions being Rollins, Kingston, Lynch, Bayley, Balor and Joe sounds like a pipe dream come to life), yet the apathy, indifference and outright hatred and contempt towards WWE has never been higher.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 23, 2019 13:56:23 GMT -5
There’s gotta be something to this, because I find it hard to compute how most of the belts are on some of the most beloved people in the whole company (seriously, the six top champions being Rollins, Kingston, Lynch, Bayley, Balor and Joe sounds like a pipe dream come to life), yet the apathy, indifference and outright hatred and contempt towards WWE has never been higher. The story just kinda suck. At same time they also kill other popular wrestlers liek Asuka or just drop stories the next show un favor of awful stories and heels like Corbin,Lars and Lacey( maybe not awful,but hella green)
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 23, 2019 14:14:49 GMT -5
Why would the heels be any different than anything else the WWE touches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 14:22:30 GMT -5
Bryan's still killing it at least. Black's also probably a heel now, but WWE is already starting to f*** him up for no good reason.
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Post by 4real on Jun 23, 2019 14:34:28 GMT -5
Bryan's still killing it at least. Black's also probably a heel now, but WWE is already starting to f*** him up for no good reason. Assuming WWE are taking it easy with Bryan atm but the guy needs to be back in the main event scene. He’s the best heel WWE has. Hopefully McIntyre is going after Seth after the Roman feud is finished. It’s obvious WWE wants him in the main event just do it already.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 14:39:44 GMT -5
EC3 would be a great heel if given the chance.
I mean hell, look what AEW did with MJF in one freaking show, and he's basically an EC3 ripoff.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 23, 2019 14:40:04 GMT -5
Isn't just heels but everyone in the company whether babyface or heel is cut from the same shitty quality with the same stale shitty motivations.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 23, 2019 16:08:16 GMT -5
There’s gotta be something to this, because I find it hard to compute how most of the belts are on some of the most beloved people in the whole company (seriously, the six top champions being Rollins, Kingston, Lynch, Bayley, Balor and Joe sounds like a pipe dream come to life), yet the apathy, indifference and outright hatred and contempt towards WWE has never been higher. If nothing else, I do kind of hope that puts to rest the old idea some people seemed to float back in the day that who is holding the belt(s) is what's most important. Obviously it matters to a degree, as otherwise there wouldn't have been such a poor response to a career lower card guy like Jinder winning the WWE title out of nowhere, but I remember eras like the mid-00s where the thought often was "well, the show will be better if (so-and-so) wins the belt of Triple H/JBL/etc.", yet it rarely changed anything substantive. It's why I think freaking out over who's holding belts in a promotion isn't worthwhile most of the time. Again there are definitely times when it can be warranted, like TNA waiting too long to crown Samoa Joe or WWE really needing to get the belts onto Bryan at WM 30, but those are more about the moments of someone winning and the culmination of storylines, not just arguing "this guy being champ will fix things!" in a vacuum. Your favorite wrestling can be champ, but if the stories, feuds, characters, and builds to title matches are still lacking, little of it will matter; meanwhile, a guy you're not huge on could be champ, or your favorite might not have the belt, but if the stories are logical, motivations make sense, and everything's resulting in hot crowds and good business, then why get too worked up?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 23, 2019 16:15:28 GMT -5
There’s gotta be something to this, because I find it hard to compute how most of the belts are on some of the most beloved people in the whole company (seriously, the six top champions being Rollins, Kingston, Lynch, Bayley, Balor and Joe sounds like a pipe dream come to life), yet the apathy, indifference and outright hatred and contempt towards WWE has never been higher. Yeah, the writing sucks, so the show sucks, because the head writer is garbage and needs to be kicked out of the company.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 23, 2019 16:16:17 GMT -5
I was thinking this the other day. This company BADLY needs top heels on both shows. Lesnar isn't around enough Owens, Joe, and Zayn are basically midcard filler at this point Ziggler will always be a guy that can be slotted into virtually any slot and be serviceable but his time to be on top has clearly past. Drew McIntyre flat out sucks. So does Bobby Lashley. So does Shane McMahon. And reaally, what the f*** Who wanted this run that wasn't related to Shane? Bryan does strong work but he's holding down the tag division right now where he's arguably more needed. Literally the only guy on this roster that gets consistent heat and is actually booked on top is...Baron Corbin. If that's the best you got, you're in a world of trouble. Andrade is clearly being groomed for a future main event slot but it's still a while away before he's there. Heroes are only as good as their top villians. If there's no beliveable evil to fight, you have no story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 16:21:50 GMT -5
Joe was the guy who could make it work. Right now he's the US Champion but as soon as that's over with I'd immediately have him take the belt from Rollins. He's your dude right now.
Besides him you can really make Zayn work but he's gotta win some feuds first before he gets that slot.
Those are the 2 choices I'd give the company for their next lead heels. Owens and Drew need to go face. Off rip.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 23, 2019 16:55:54 GMT -5
They spent so much time pushing Brock as the ultimate big bad that it kinda took away from everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 17:27:02 GMT -5
All the heels are too likable. That’s the problem.
Aside from Corbin and maybe McIntyre. Who nobody even wants to boo, they just want them to go away.
Look at the heels... you’ve got Elias, Bryan, Shane, Cesaro, Owens, Ziggler. Zayn... I don’t know about you guys but most of them are cheerable.
Owens could be a good sadistic heel if they played up how desperate he is to keep the title... but they never stick with him. I feel he could be the best heel in the company if they just booked him right.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 23, 2019 18:15:50 GMT -5
Zayn needs to turn face, come up with a better heel gimmick, or be released. Dude has done two things since being in the WWE: Jack and Shit. And Jack got wished well in his future endeavors a long time ago.
We know Vince doesn't give a damn about what the audience wants, we don't need Zayn going out there with Vince's hand up his ass parroting Vince's thoughts.
Let Vince go out to the ring and say, "I don't give a flying f*** what you people want. This is MY company, god damn it!" I would at least respect his honesty.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 23, 2019 18:34:23 GMT -5
It's not the characters; it's the stories.
It's not "Kevin Owens isn't interesting" it's that nothing anyone does is interesting and nothing anyone will do will be interesting and the audience knows it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 23, 2019 19:19:43 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy that a few years ago I checked out an Impact show headlined by Galloway vs. Lashley, and while I heard that Galloway's TNA run wasn't the greatest thing in the world, they still did a solid job of making it feel like a really big title match, and then it was a pretty good match in and of itself.
Fast forward, and people can't wait for these guys to be off TV in WWE. Strange world.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jun 23, 2019 19:57:03 GMT -5
The quality of heels in WWE right now is abysmal
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