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Post by realist on Jun 24, 2019 6:04:54 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler reminds me of like Greg Valentine in 1991. A guy who was over at one point, but was now stale and incredibly not over but just kept hanging around. Nobody cares. Having Dolph Ziggler challenge for the WWE title on PPV is like having Greg Valentine challenging for the title in 1992.It's just absurd. Ha!! Joke's on you: Greg Valentine did challenge for the WWF title in 1992. He was in the 1992 Royal Rumble for the vacant title. He wasn't in there particularly long or anything, but it counts. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 24, 2019 6:06:49 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler, at this point in his career, is just a wet fart over everything he touches.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 24, 2019 6:18:47 GMT -5
 You see that look on Dean Malenko's face? That's the look of sweet relief that he didn't produce this match. Or it could be the look he makes when he's hungry. He doesn't have that many expressions... There's something wrong when a Horseman is not beating up a Rhodes. |
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Post by Macho Pichu on Jun 24, 2019 6:29:18 GMT -5
Dolph is the prime example of why you follow up on someone when they get hot. If people are reacting to someone, you have to continue presenting them as someone they'll care abot. This means giving them wins. When they're starting to fade, change them up, but keep them dominant. People will continue to care. In Dolph's case, they failed on the second part and even on the part about letting him win some. People have moved on past him long ago and arent going to come back. There's no reason to get behind someone when you know that WWE won't stay behind them for long.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jun 24, 2019 7:01:48 GMT -5
I dunno what you guys are on about. This feud of Ziggler screaming "MEEEEEEE!", because he didn't randomly get put into a match like Kofi, on a brand Dolphy-poo wasn't even on at the time, that launched Kofi with fan support that Ziggler wouldn't have had anyway since he was last kinda-sorta feuding with McIntyre and nobody cared... it's just the greatest, ya know?
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jun 24, 2019 7:32:38 GMT -5
There's something wrong when a Horseman is not beating up a Rhodes. The picture is taken right before Malenko german suplex's Cody onto the jet's stairs. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 24, 2019 7:40:26 GMT -5
You see that look on Dean Malenko's face? That's the look of sweet relief that he didn't produce this match. Or it could be the look he makes when he's hungry. He doesn't have that many expressions... That’s also the look he has when he’s riding a rollercoaster or playing a game of backgammon. I’m pretty sure that’s also his “vinegar strokes” face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 8:53:12 GMT -5
You see that look on Dean Malenko's face? That's the look of sweet relief that he didn't produce this match. Or it could be the look he makes when he's hungry. He doesn't have that many expressions... The 1000 holds make up for it though. He only knows about 60 |
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Post by 111111 on Jun 24, 2019 8:55:24 GMT -5
A cage match is a shit match for a main event to begin with. They're not a big deal anymore and haven't been in decades.
And sorry I love Kofi and am meh on Dolph but neither of them are big enough stars to headline a ppv really (this would have literally been a throwaway match on raw last year that they'd have repeated for about 6 months) and just highlights how lacking the WWE roster is, they've got like 100 wrestlers signed and next to no legit main event stars. It's not the wrestlers fault.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 24, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -5
Cage matches are pretty tough to make work unless you think both guys really want to destroy each other. Honestly. I’m struggling to think of genuinely great Cage matches I’ve seen in recent years |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jun 24, 2019 9:59:45 GMT -5
Cage matches are pretty tough to make work unless you think both guys really want to destroy each other. Honestly. I’m struggling to think of genuinely great Cage matches I’ve seen in recent years I think Big Show/Braun was pretty good but it's been a while since I saw it. |
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Post by BRV on Jun 24, 2019 11:04:25 GMT -5
The whole point of a steel cage match existing can really only be for two reasons:
- There's been so much outside interference that the cage is deemed necessary to keep intruders out.
- The only way these two can settle their blood rivalry is by locking them inside a cage and the last one standing is the winner.
There's been really none of that in this feud. It's been Dolph Ziggler complaining about the same talking point for about four weeks now, a singles match in Saudi Arabia, and then a cage match. It's like one of those two-week long feuds that suddenly necessitates a Hell in a Cell match because it's October and that's the pay-per-view that's next on the schedule. The cage match should mean something but these two had no reason to really be fighting inside a cage beyond "that's the gimmick for tonight."
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 24, 2019 11:06:42 GMT -5
Here's something that might help with cage matches : NO MORE ESCAPE RULES.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 24, 2019 11:12:38 GMT -5
Cage matches are pretty tough to make work unless you think both guys really want to destroy each other. Honestly. I’m struggling to think of genuinely great Cage matches I’ve seen in recent years The last really good one I can think of was 2011 with the Christian/Del Rio one on Smackdown. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jun 24, 2019 11:37:38 GMT -5
The whole point of a steel cage match existing can really only be for two reasons: - There's been so much outside interference that the cage is deemed necessary to keep intruders out. - The only way these two can settle their blood rivalry is by locking them inside a cage and the last one standing is the winner. There's been really none of that in this feud. It's been Dolph Ziggler complaining about the same talking point for about four weeks now, a singles match in Saudi Arabia, and then a cage match. It's like one of those two-week long feuds that suddenly necessitates a Hell in a Cell match because it's October and that's the pay-per-view that's next on the schedule. The cage match should mean something but these two had no reason to really be fighting inside a cage beyond "that's the gimmick for tonight." This.100%. Having the babyface give the heel the rub as a great competitor after a cage match makes no sense on any level. |
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Post by Venti on Jun 24, 2019 12:42:57 GMT -5
Cage matches are pretty tough to make work unless you think both guys really want to destroy each other. Honestly. I’m struggling to think of genuinely great Cage matches I’ve seen in recent years To me, cage matches in WWE have went the way of the Hell in a Cell, except even worse. They have become throw away matches to be used as an excuse to have a gimmick match instead of actually ending feuds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:40:30 GMT -5
In Saudi Arabia they did the 10 minute slog though. What's scary is they have 3 weeks until the next PPV so they might as well bite the bullet and put these guys in some other stip match to blow it off for good, since Kofi really just won by lunging out of a cage. I didn't see it. I guess the chemistry just isn't there. Still though, less excessively long matches in general please. You can tell a fine story and do what you need to in ten minutes. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 24, 2019 13:43:45 GMT -5
The question is this about Ziggler: Why do they keep putting this guy in key spots when he just kills people off left and right? They put him against Ambrose in 2016 after Ambrose won the title, and it was a heatless feud that killed Ambrose as champion (he lost to AJ about a month later). They feuded him with Nakamura upon Nak's debut and Dolph took about 75% of the match and it basically killed Nakamura out of the gate. Now they're killing Kofi with this Dolph feud.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:44:08 GMT -5
That was the worst cage match I ever seen.
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