Is Rollins a star?

[The Trashman]

Hes basically Randy Orton just not as much of a dick.

[Cela]

He's the least of the Shield guys. But then again, I never got the appeal of the Shield guys. So he probably is, and I'm out of touch.

[Can you afford to pay me, Gah]

Jun 24, 2019 9:52:07 GMT -5 @scsa316 said:

Is he the big babyface that will draw crowds and viewers? 

The current state of the WWE nope and nobody is. To be a star that draws as a face, the WWE needs to listen to what fans have reacted too and when the iron is hot you run with it. That's the issue with the WWE is they never run with it and when they do it's to late or that change what was working in the first place. The biggest issue with Seth is that since he became champion they had him look like a fool. It doesn't help that you give him that heat vacuum Barron Corbin to work with. To really make a guy a star, it takes two big things, one the guy has to be over naturally with Seth WAS going into WM against Brock. The second thing once you make the guy the guy, you have to keep what worked and not make him look foolish. Plus you need a heel that fans give a shit about, a guy fan want to PAY to see get his ass kicked. Not a guy that fans just want to go away.

That why the PPV overall was a failure because both champions faced that kind of heel, the go away heel. Not I want to see you get your ass kicked heel. I look at the Main Event/upper midcard picture and I look how poorly it is on heel that are interesting. Honestly that why Daniel Bryan needs to be in the Main Event again because he character was different and he stood out way more that the crop does now. That's the biggest problem with the WWE beyond just lame storylines but character development. Most of your heel are the same thing at the Main Event level, I'm mean I insult the crowd. I Attack the face. Mean while the guys that should be there by now are hardly used anymore.

Tell me what the hell happened with Elias, he a prime example how badly they botched making a good heel that should be now drawing with your champion face. This guy was getting great heel reaction. Had a character that stood out. Instead you had John Cena bury his ass at WM and now he floundering around doing a whole lot of nothing.

You have guys like The fact Roman Reigns been feuding with Shane Freakin McMahon who for some reason getting this push. 50 year old non trained wrestler who known for taking crazy bumps and spots but can't throw a decent looking work push which is wrestling 1.1 says where you are as a company. As long your faces are dealing with lame heels, nobody is going to Draw. Austin, Rock, Cena, and Hogan where draws because they had a lot of good heels to work with they you could tell them apart and they can work with you.

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He's *a* star, yes. Dude's extremely over and obviously great in the ring. He's just not a ratings draw, but that's true for everybody else.

[Kevin Hamilton]

Is anyone? The way the company has been structured for at least a decade has been to have guys be replaceable cogs in the machine.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

Jun 24, 2019 14:14:42 GMT -5 Cela said:

He's the least of the Shield guys. But then again, I never got the appeal of the Shield guys. So he probably is, and I'm out of touch.

I go back and forth on this. Like, if you're looking at all three guys on a flat plain, then Dean rises above the other two. He's the total package. The three-in-one, charisma, look, skill, he's got it. But I go back and forth as to who's better between Seth and Roman.

[Allie Kitsune]

As close as it gets on RAW.

I don't really know what the "proper distribution of blame" is between Seth, Vince, and the Writers, though.

[adamclark52]

Best rational is he’s a top guy in a down period

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Jun 24, 2019 18:19:58 GMT -5 2coldMack is even more baffled said:

Jun 24, 2019 14:14:42 GMT -5 Cela said:

He's the least of the Shield guys. But then again, I never got the appeal of the Shield guys. So he probably is, and I'm out of touch.

I go back and forth on this. Like, if you're looking at all three guys on a flat plain, then Dean rises above the other two. He's the total package. The three-in-one, charisma, look, skill, he's got it. But I go back and forth as to who's better between Seth and Roman.

For me personally:

In ring - Seth, Dean, Roman
Mic - Dean, Seth, Roman
Charisma - Dean, Roman, Seth (I have a hard time deciding between Seth and Roman, but Dean was still the most charismatic of the three IMO)
Look - Roman, Seth, Dean

Dean was always my favorite Shield guy. Probably the best overall package and the most likable.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

In terms of drawing power? LOL...no....just....no.

But that’s by design in the current WWE. However, even then, not really much of a draw. He just doesn’t really have much of a character.

He is incredible in the ring, when they allow him to be, easily the most in ring talent of the Shield members, with the best finisher of the three to boot!

But, by Seth’s own words, the WWE apparently has the best wrestling in the world(period), so why would anyone pay specifically to see a guy whose only strength is being “really good in the ring”, when ostensibly everyone else is supposed to be really good in the ring?

Dean at least had his great character work, and love him or hate him, at least Roman draws some kind of a reaction and has spots that allow for crowd participation(seriously the “Oooo-aaaaahhh” bit in person can get surprisingly loud depending on the crowd).

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Jun 24, 2019 10:31:05 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

He's the next Dolph Ziggler, mark my words.

Yeah if they ran with a Dolph Ziggler main event run in 2014 when he was put over at Survivor Series (or any other time when he was over and had some momentum) that’s basically Rollins now.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Based on his reaction tonight, not even close compared to Becky.

[BatPunk]

Yes he is. Is he the best person to be leading the brand? That’s debatable.

Daniel Bryan is the biggest star WWE has right now. And he is by a LOOONG way.

[Dub H]

Jun 24, 2019 22:05:48 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Based on his reaction tonight, not even close compared to Becky.

It sounds like Becky is still their biggest stat.

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Calling Seth, Roman and Jon Moxley "Da Shield Guize" in 2019 is like calling Randy Orton "the Evolution guy" or The Rock "the Nation of Domination guy". Very strange and dismissive.

[Dub H]

Jun 24, 2019 23:12:13 GMT -5 @ambrosefan said:

Calling Seth, Roman and Jon Moxley "Da Shield Guize" in 2019 is like calling Randy Orton "the Evolution guy" or The Rock "the Nation of Domination guy". Very strange and dismissive.

Roman's whole gimmick is "The Shield Guy"

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Jun 24, 2019 22:05:48 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Based on his reaction tonight, not even close compared to Becky.

The saddest part is he may drag her down with him. Her cool factor is definitely taking a hit from being stuck with him on television. 

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Rollins has just never clicked for me. He never did, even before WWE. Not really sure why.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

People have wildly varying definitions of “Star” in wrestling,
so there’ll never be a consensus on a question that open-ended.

My take: if you mean visibility in the wrestling world and connecting with his fanbase, he’s not doing badly at all, so yes. If you mean “crossover superstar peeking outside the wrestling bubble”, then no. And it’s not for one reason only, that’s both due to WWE’s brand-first marketing and how the options in modern media make inescapable megastars rarer today.

[111111]

In any other era than now and circa 96 he’s an upper midcwrder who can be relied on for consistency, he’s hardly warranting the push he’s getting about now.