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Post by fw91 on Jun 24, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
They gave Spongebob the mega push
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 24, 2019 18:49:48 GMT -5
They should've never canceled Hey Dude. Never recovered from that mistake. Nah, it was the cancelling of Salute Your Shorts that did them in. This is the curse of Zeke the Plumber in action.
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Post by Crimson on Jun 24, 2019 19:11:38 GMT -5
If Butch Hartman is to be believed, it seems like executives at Nick got a little trigger happy with cancelling their animated shows if their ratings weren't performing as well as Spongebob's.
Around the mid-2000s Nick started playing follow the leader chasing the tween demographic that Disney was making bank off of. You kind of saw the shift in how their shows were made going from Drake & Josh onward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 19:14:42 GMT -5
I feel like they're getting way too spinoff happy right now. The SpongeBob thing and the Loud House spinoff that appears to just be the same show but worse (and between taking away two good supporting characters and hijacking the start of the season is basically dragging down the quality of the mothership in the process) both read like any shows they put out that manage to catch on, expect to see derivatives of them immediately.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jun 24, 2019 19:34:18 GMT -5
Reliance on old money makers and not bringing anything new to the table either. Spongebob is somehow still going on they quietly killed Fairly Oddparents after trying 1000 different ways to keep the show going Nick is a old hat that hasn't evolved and trying something new. CN has gotten back to their formula with these 15 min shows that have a ton of heart along the way. Even with shows like Craig of the creek it is a diff taste and just a fun kids show. They need to go back to the drawing board. Find some creative minds that will help bring something different. CN isn't perfect with the way they've treated shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time and Regular Show considering at their end how inconsistent they were with them but they had a dedicated audience who stuck with it. Power Rangers Beast Morphers is not a bad show but Nick does nothing with it and sticks it in a corner. I heard the new TMNT wasn't that bad but you don't hear shit about it. CN shows a lot of commercials of when their cartoons will be airing but I honestly have no idea what shows Nick features and what days they are on You can almost trace back Nick downfall to how they handled Rugrats I was about to say, they cut Beast Morphers to one airing and they seem to be only running the first few episodes now.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 25, 2019 5:27:38 GMT -5
You got older. I'm sorry, it's fine to still love cartoons, I do, I watch a ton of them, but not cartoons aimed at 8 year olds. There's no quality dip, you're just old.
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Post by Paul on Jun 25, 2019 5:30:46 GMT -5
You got older. I'm sorry, it's fine to still love cartoons, I do, I watch a ton of them, but not cartoons aimed at 8 year olds. There's no quality dip, you're just old. Yup... I've re-watched a lot of the cartoons I loved as a kid, and some of them are awful looking at them through the eyes of an adult (He-Man).
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Post by thechase on Jun 25, 2019 10:52:02 GMT -5
I don't agree with that, some older cartoons genuinely hold up better than some cartoons I watch now...though the quality of modern cartoons can also be exceptionally high too (Steven Universe, Star vs the Forces of Evil, Gravity Falls, the recent Ducktales, Voltron and She-Ra revivals)
And I'd rather still watch the 80s TMNT than either the 2012 or current TMNT cartoon.
And hell, I'll catch every inch of hellfire for saying this, but The New Adventures of He-Man was MUCH better than the original He-Man and the 2002 revival.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 25, 2019 14:07:44 GMT -5
I remember Nickelodeon had a policy that, no matter how well a show was doing, it lasted no longer than three seasons, period. The Adventures of Pete and Pete got axed controversially for that reason, and Rugrats too, at first. The idea was that kids quickly grew out of the target demographic, and the new ones would want their own shows. They changed the policy for Spongebob.
(Which is always weird to me. I don't dislike Spongebob, but... it's just kind of exactly like every other cartoon that's ever been made? Never got what was so special about it.)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 14:12:25 GMT -5
Reliance on old money makers and not bringing anything new to the table either. Spongebob is somehow still going on they quietly killed Fairly Oddparents after trying 1000 different ways to keep the show going Nick is a old hat that hasn't evolved and trying something new. CN has gotten back to their formula with these 15 min shows that have a ton of heart along the way. Even with shows like Craig of the creek it is a diff taste and just a fun kids show. They need to go back to the drawing board. Find some creative minds that will help bring something different. CN isn't perfect with the way they've treated shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time and Regular Show considering at their end how inconsistent they were with them but they had a dedicated audience who stuck with it. Power Rangers Beast Morphers is not a bad show but Nick does nothing with it and sticks it in a corner. I heard the new TMNT wasn't that bad but you don't hear shit about it. CN shows a lot of commercials of when their cartoons will be airing but I honestly have no idea what shows Nick features and what days they are on You can almost trace back Nick downfall to how they handled Rugrats I was about to say, they cut Beast Morphers to one airing and they seem to be only running the first few episodes now. Yea, you would think they'd at least feature Power Rangers a little more. Hell, no one has really shown the throwbacks since Disney when they were on like Jetix or Disney XD or whatever it was called
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jun 26, 2019 0:27:51 GMT -5
I don't know how Nick went wrong, Mr. Meaty was a national treasure.
But really I could go on all day. I think they could have avoided this if they gave shows in the early 2010s a fighting chance. I'm still pissed cartoons like Harvey Beaks and Sanjay and Craig were giving no airtime and was pretty much left for dead because it was not making Spongebob numbers (impossible to do with limited airtime). The only time as of late they gave a show a fighting chance was The Loud House and oh look, it becomes their biggest show in over a decade.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Jun 26, 2019 2:29:32 GMT -5
Being a Viacom network doesn't help either. Only recently those channels were allowed to come back to Dish's line-up. (Or was that DirecTV?) My own local cable network does not carry them at all and hasn't done so for years. It doesn't help Viacom's case the ratings for all of its networks have been terrible for ages.
What went wrong with Nick? SpongeBob. The corporate suits at Nick passed on Adventure Time, which then went to CN, who then proceeded to make Nick irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 3:28:23 GMT -5
You got older. I'm sorry, it's fine to still love cartoons, I do, I watch a ton of them, but not cartoons aimed at 8 year olds. There's no quality dip, you're just old. I really heavily dispute that. There IS a difference. There was crap back then and there's crap now, but there's also stuff that genuinely holds up even now. Like, top of my head, Hey Arnold is still a genuinely great show to go back and rewatch. There is no world in which 20 years later someone is going to say that about The Adventures of Kid Danger. Granted at the moment I think the issue is less that Nick has a bunch of bad cartoons and more that Nick's cartoon lineup is pretty much nonexistent. The only original shows they currently have running are SpongeBob, Loud House, and TMNT and the only things on the horizon we really know anything about beyond a name are a cash-in Loud House spinoff and a show spun off of Wonder Park after it got horrible reviews and flopped at the box office.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 26, 2019 4:10:56 GMT -5
*Walks into thread like Stone Cold Steve Austin*
Nickelodeon forgot what made them popular. They were a Network that didn't talk down to kids, didn't follow trends, had rules in place to help their longevity and their connection with fans of all ages, and they threw it all out the window for corporate BS and killed so many projects and methods of the way things used to be over the course of a decade that one has to wonder if it's even salvegable.
SpongeBob has been run to death, they're going to make spinoffs against the creators wishes which has only gotten people even angrier at them. Movies like Zim and Rocko have been delayed months to years and are getting shoved on Netflix. New IPs are almost non existent, and the ones that do exist like Glitch Techs can't seem to debut and have season 2's production halted for no reason which may end the show before it begins.
I could go on and on about Nickelodeon's follies. From being too safe, from acquiring cheap programming and letting their originals die, not even airing them (Harvey Beaks aired like 8 times on the channel in a full year and they cancelled it, Welcome to the Wayne barely aired on the channel and season 2 got dumped with no advertisement on Nicktoons the satellite channel). The new regime says they will give things a chance, and call for change, but with the announcements of the SpongeBob spinoffs and shit, and how badly they're being received, they're still in the same boat of apathy until proven otherwise.
At least most of the live action tweeney bop shows got killed off outside of Henry Danger, that's one nice thing, but Nickelodeon is gonna need a lot more to call themselves a structured Network again. One good lasting original IP in The Loud House in over a decade isn't exactly cutting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 4:13:24 GMT -5
Movies like Zim and Rocko have been delayed months to years and are getting shoved on Netflix. Being fair here that's actually probably a wise move given the Jungle Movie didn't do great and it's more likely to be seen by the original fanbase there than on the actual channel. On the flipside of that though, the Jungle Movie probably would've done a lot better if they had particularly advertised it or made any sort of attempt to get kids acquainted with the show instead of just plopping it out there during a holiday week so really they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 26, 2019 4:16:58 GMT -5
You got older. I'm sorry, it's fine to still love cartoons, I do, I watch a ton of them, but not cartoons aimed at 8 year olds. There's no quality dip, you're just old. This mentality sucks, I'm sorry, but saying it as matter of factly as you do pisses me off. Fair enough if that's how you see it. But a lot of Cartoons these days aren't just aimed at kids, a lot of Cartoons are made with heart and from people who want to reach to a broader audience and have. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Loud House, We Bare Bears, Gumball, Star Vs, Gravity Falls, Regular Show, MLP: FIM the list goes on and on. This mindset needs to die, animation isn't just for kids and frankly I think it's insulting when kids get drug into this as a derogatory term, "Oh it's just a kids show, you got old that's why things suck", nah dude, Cartoons can suck or they can have good quality to them like any other TV show that exists and tries to appeal to wide demos, it's just like any other piece of media, it's not devoid of criticism, and can be as widely enjoyed as anything else. Animation can capture people as emotionally as anything else, no matter how old you are. And no matter what the Cartoon may be. And if you're gonna continue thinking like that, well your loss, a ton of great shows out there, and I'm gonna keep enjoying them like I have been my whole life with no problems.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 26, 2019 4:17:56 GMT -5
Movies like Zim and Rocko have been delayed months to years and are getting shoved on Netflix. Being fair here that's actually probably a wise move given the Jungle Movie didn't do great and it's more likely to be seen by the original fanbase there than on the actual channel. On the flipside of that though, the Jungle Movie probably would've done a lot better if they had particularly advertised it or made any sort of attempt to get kids acquainted with the show instead of just plopping it out there during a holiday week so really they have no one to blame but themselves. The fact they didn't show Hey Arnold on the main network at all was stupid, I guess that it will work out for the best anyway, but it's still weird how these revivals have been. Rugrats is coming back as well so... interesting to see how that'll go.
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Post by Shai on Jun 26, 2019 9:13:17 GMT -5
At least in our house one thing that keeps us from watching Nickelodeon is that their website and app is a whole mess. You can't cast it to a Chromecast which at least in our house is a problem since my XBox in my room is pretty much my cable box and then there's Chromecasts on every other TV
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Post by Malcolm on Jun 26, 2019 13:26:35 GMT -5
You got older. I'm sorry, it's fine to still love cartoons, I do, I watch a ton of them, but not cartoons aimed at 8 year olds. There's no quality dip, you're just old. This mentality sucks, I'm sorry, but saying it as matter of factly as you do pisses me off. Fair enough if that's how you see it. But a lot of Cartoons these days aren't just aimed at kids, a lot of Cartoons are made with heart and from people who want to reach to a broader audience and have. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Loud House, We Bare Bears, Gumball, Star Vs, Gravity Falls, Regular Show, MLP: FIM the list goes on and on. This mindset needs to die, animation isn't just for kids and frankly I think it's insulting when kids get drug into this as a derogatory term, "Oh it's just a kids show, you got old that's why things suck", nah dude, Cartoons can suck or they can have good quality to them like any other TV show that exists and tries to appeal to wide demos, it's just like any other piece of media, it's not devoid of criticism, and can be as widely enjoyed as anything else. Animation can capture people as emotionally as anything else, no matter how old you are. And no matter what the Cartoon may be. And if you're gonna continue thinking like that, well your loss, a ton of great shows out there, and I'm gonna keep enjoying them like I have been my whole life with no problems. One of the most frustrating things about this is that it seemed like this "animation age ghetto" mentality was finally starting to die... And then Teen Titans Go happened and now we're back to square one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 16:18:13 GMT -5
This mentality sucks, I'm sorry, but saying it as matter of factly as you do pisses me off. Fair enough if that's how you see it. But a lot of Cartoons these days aren't just aimed at kids, a lot of Cartoons are made with heart and from people who want to reach to a broader audience and have. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Loud House, We Bare Bears, Gumball, Star Vs, Gravity Falls, Regular Show, MLP: FIM the list goes on and on. This mindset needs to die, animation isn't just for kids and frankly I think it's insulting when kids get drug into this as a derogatory term, "Oh it's just a kids show, you got old that's why things suck", nah dude, Cartoons can suck or they can have good quality to them like any other TV show that exists and tries to appeal to wide demos, it's just like any other piece of media, it's not devoid of criticism, and can be as widely enjoyed as anything else. Animation can capture people as emotionally as anything else, no matter how old you are. And no matter what the Cartoon may be. And if you're gonna continue thinking like that, well your loss, a ton of great shows out there, and I'm gonna keep enjoying them like I have been my whole life with no problems. One of the most frustrating things about this is that it seemed like this "animation age ghetto" was finally starting to die... And then Teen Titans Go happened and now we're back to square one. I wouldn't really agree with that, quality animation is being made and it is being taken a bit more seriously in certain circles. There is some definite turnover going on right now though. Star VS ended, Gumball ended, MLP is ending, stuff like Regular Show and Adventure Time has been over, Steven Universe is still going but has lost a ton of momentum, OK KO looks like the third season might be the last one... There's stuff on the horizon like Villainous and Infinity Train that looks promising but at least from where I'm sitting the only cartoons that are good and are safe for the moment are She-Ra and Loud House, and really I kind of wonder how long Loud House can be good for given how much Nick tends to push for its hit shows to just keep churning out episodes with little regard for quality.
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