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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2019 7:52:02 GMT -5
That's the same as what PROGRESS drew at Wembley last year. Its about what the market is for the level of show it was (a D level PPV). Few problems there with that. First, PROGRESS does not do shows regularly at Wembley Arena. They do have shows on a regular basis at the Electric Ballroom which has a capacity of 1500 and their big shows at Alexandra Palace which holds 2000. So the show they did at Wembley, again a massive show that was built for months, did 4500 which they should be considering the build for the thing. If PROGRESS went to Wembley and did their usual 2000, I don't think they'd be bragging about the records they did, would they? WWE booked a 18,000 seat arena for a show that didn't get much build and attention compared to others that year and was a bunch of rematches. In the age of the Network, it shouldn't matter as much what's a B show, a C show or a D show as long as people care enough to go and the only people who went were the hardcore fans. The only reasons they DID book that venue were either because of overconfidence or keeping up appearences, still wanting to look like a big time product regardless of if the drapes have to be down or not. If they got 10,000, sure, that'd be fine and in line with others. 4000, though? That's pretty damn bad and shows what state the company is in in a place that is a good market for them in Washington.
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Post by cjh on Jun 25, 2019 9:01:06 GMT -5
That's the same as what PROGRESS drew at Wembley last year. Its about what the market is for the level of show it was (a D level PPV). Few problems there with that. First, PROGRESS does not do shows regularly at Wembley Arena. They do have shows on a regular basis at the Electric Ballroom which has a capacity of 1500 and their big shows at Alexandra Palace which holds 2000. So the show they did at Wembley, again a massive show that was built for months, did 4500 which they should be considering the build for the thing. If PROGRESS went to Wembley and did their usual 2000, I don't think they'd be bragging about the records they did, would they? WWE booked a 18,000 seat arena for a show that didn't get much build and attention compared to others that year and was a bunch of rematches. In the age of the Network, it shouldn't matter as much what's a B show, a C show or a D show as long as people care enough to go and the only people who went were the hardcore fans. The only reasons they DID book that venue were either because of overconfidence or keeping up appearences, still wanting to look like a big time product regardless of if the drapes have to be down or not.If they got 10,000, sure, that'd be fine and in line with others. 4000, though? That's pretty damn bad and shows what state the company is in in a place that is a good market for them in Washington. I believe they booked it because that was all that was available. The June PPV was going to be Backlash and was going to be held 1-2 weeks ago until it got moved when Super Superdown got pushed back from May to June 7.
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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2019 9:06:33 GMT -5
Few problems there with that. First, PROGRESS does not do shows regularly at Wembley Arena. They do have shows on a regular basis at the Electric Ballroom which has a capacity of 1500 and their big shows at Alexandra Palace which holds 2000. So the show they did at Wembley, again a massive show that was built for months, did 4500 which they should be considering the build for the thing. If PROGRESS went to Wembley and did their usual 2000, I don't think they'd be bragging about the records they did, would they? WWE booked a 18,000 seat arena for a show that didn't get much build and attention compared to others that year and was a bunch of rematches. In the age of the Network, it shouldn't matter as much what's a B show, a C show or a D show as long as people care enough to go and the only people who went were the hardcore fans. The only reasons they DID book that venue were either because of overconfidence or keeping up appearences, still wanting to look like a big time product regardless of if the drapes have to be down or not.If they got 10,000, sure, that'd be fine and in line with others. 4000, though? That's pretty damn bad and shows what state the company is in in a place that is a good market for them in Washington. I believe they booked it because that was all that was available. The June PPV was going to be Backlash and was going to be held 1-2 weeks ago until it got moved when Super Superdown got pushed back from May to June 7. If that’s the reason, hey, fair enough. Doesn’t really excuse the build but if that’s all they could get through the changes, hey, makes sense.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 25, 2019 9:27:06 GMT -5
Fox and NBC Universal's teams of lawyers wouldn't agree to an ironclad deal. It probably costs them something, but there's gotta be mechanisms built in there to get them out of the deal if WWE performs well below expectations. Or Fox or NBCU flex their network executive muscles to threaten Vince into doing something he doesn't want to do. Yeah I'm not an entertainment lawyer but a deal like that without some performance requirements on WWE's part seems like it would be completely insane. I can't imagine any network agreeing to something like that.
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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2019 10:51:56 GMT -5
Fox and NBC Universal's teams of lawyers wouldn't agree to an ironclad deal. It probably costs them something, but there's gotta be mechanisms built in there to get them out of the deal if WWE performs well below expectations. Or Fox or NBCU flex their network executive muscles to threaten Vince into doing something he doesn't want to do. Yeah I'm not an entertainment lawyer but a deal like that without some performance requirements on WWE's part seems like it would be completely insane. I can't imagine any network agreeing to something like that. Also, this is FOX. They’d cancel their mother if it helped get them something that might get better ratings for a time slot.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 25, 2019 12:42:48 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Meltzer has said on numerous occasions that Fox won't dump WWE entirely, or at the very least without WWE getting their money. He seems to think WWE will get their money, even if they move to Fox Sports 1.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 25, 2019 12:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Jun 25, 2019 12:57:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Meltzer has said on numerous occasions that Fox won't dump WWE entirely, or at the very least without WWE getting their money. He seems to think WWE will get their money, even if they move to Fox Sports 1. Meltzer has also said in the past he doesn’t quite fully know what’s contained in the TV deals so honestly, yeah, any network that doesn’t have a clause about cancellation or ending a deal early if a boundary isn’t met is a weird one that has bad lawyers. And FOX I don’t think is one of those or else they’d have been sued 15 Joss Whedon serieses ago.
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Post by paywindah on Jun 25, 2019 13:13:09 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Meltzer has said on numerous occasions that Fox won't dump WWE entirely, or at the very least without WWE getting their money. He seems to think WWE will get their money, even if they move to Fox Sports 1. Exactly. These are rights fees. Even if Fox or USA has the ability to take the shows off TV (doubtful), they still have to pay for the rights. That money is locked in. WWE can coast for 4 years until the next negotiations start. So attendance, Network subscriber counts, ratings, none of it matters much.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 25, 2019 13:29:59 GMT -5
On WOR today, Meltzer said he saw the actual pay-per-view numbers, and he thought it was "a computer glitch" based on how low they were. PPV buys are obviously down with The Network being a fraction of the price, but the numbers were apparently low even for that.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 25, 2019 13:48:43 GMT -5
It's pretty minor in the grand scheme of wwe's issues but what kind of name is stomping grounds anyway? Who locally will see an advert for stomping grounds and think that looks interesting? Especially if Corbin's face is on it.
That's before they even see the card or prices.
Even stupid names like great balls of fire at least stand out and grab attention.
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Post by cjh on Jun 25, 2019 14:23:53 GMT -5
I believe they booked it because that was all that was available. The June PPV was going to be Backlash and was going to be held 1-2 weeks ago until it got moved when Super Superdown got pushed back from May to June 7. If that’s the reason, hey, fair enough. Doesn’t really excuse the build but if that’s all they could get through the changes, hey, makes sense. Yeah, apparently, Key Arena in Seattle, WA would have been WWE's first choice, but it's being renovated.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 25, 2019 15:27:12 GMT -5
Aaand, now there's arena pictures in the link.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jun 25, 2019 15:39:28 GMT -5
I'll give the crowd credit for being red hot throughout the show. You wouldn't have known how horrible the attendance was. Honestly, if someone was one of the few thousand people who paid to go and see Stomping Ground, I'd be stunned if they weren't a die-hard, passionate fan.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 25, 2019 16:36:27 GMT -5
I'll give the crowd credit for being red hot throughout the show. You wouldn't have known how horrible the attendance was. I think if you only sold 4000 tickets, those 4000 are going to be some marks out for a good time at the wrestling show. They were a really cool crowd, and louder than some bigger crowds.
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 25, 2019 21:43:18 GMT -5
They're trying their damnedest to get people invested. The problem is that they have no clue how to do so. Nah. WWE knows exactly what they need to do to turn this ship around. They've seen what works and what is working in spite of Vince's efforts to bury it. The problem lies in the fact that what is needed is not what Vince is willing to do. It is an absolute streetfight to convince him to shift even one detail in a promo or a match or an angle. Doing that for every.single.detail. is exhausting and, quite honestly, kills any incentive to bring new ideas to him. Those superstars with ideas are going either to have them filtered to someone like Trips which ups the possibility of seeing them on TV to about 50%, or to wait until contract negotiations come up to force Vince to present them on TV, or simply to take their note- and sketchbooks home and sell another promotion on those ideas with a largely similar character.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2019 21:45:39 GMT -5
Not good at all... but didn't they put tickets on sale relatively late for this show?
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Post by Dub H on Jun 25, 2019 21:48:31 GMT -5
Not good at all... but didn't they put tickets on sale relatively late for this show? Yeh but this RAW also sold pretty awfully and it had no unusual sales times. it seems to be a trend.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2019 21:50:22 GMT -5
Not good at all... but didn't they put tickets on sale relatively late for this show? Yeh but this RAW also sold pretty awfully and it had no unusual sales times. it seems to be a trend. Well Raw is different. I just remember that Stomping Grounds seemed like it was a last minute addition to the calendar.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 25, 2019 21:52:39 GMT -5
Yeh but this RAW also sold pretty awfully and it had no unusual sales times. it seems to be a trend. Well Raw is different. I just remember that Stomping Grounds seemed like it was a last minute addition to the calendar. IIRC Backslash was canceled and Stomping Grounds has a 2 weeks sale period.
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