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Post by sfvega on Jun 26, 2019 0:23:39 GMT -5
I agree there. For the time being, they will work fine, but jesus christ your backcourt has been a disaster since.....? Payton had a couple decent seasons, but he was more of a Kris Dunn putting up numbers while not being a very good basketball player. Fournier is ok, but not a long term staple. I don't even know who your PG is today, and I keep up with the NBA very well. Augustin still, or has his contract expired? Fultz is anyone's guess. I get it as a flyer on a guy when you have nothing, but it's not a real plan it's a lottery ticket. If they can move Gordon for any young guard with promise, absolutely do it. Denver has Monte Morris and Malik Beasley playing well and Paul Millsap is almost ancient. Gordon + a small add for Jamal Murray could work for both. On Bamba, he's a project. Pretty much any very good center the last several years looked lost at one point or another early. Capela took forever to get conditioning. KAT was atrocious defensively, still is a lot of the time. Ayton as well. Already covered JJJ. Myles Turner is just now turning a corner. Gobert barely played his rookie year. I would give him a chance to change your mind, but centers take a while to develop. And project centers take even longer. This year is probably still a learning experience. You won't have a good idea of what you have in him until the end of the 2020-21 season. Markelle Fultz is their starting PG going into next season and they could potentially hit on him if he is healthy but he's going into his 3rd NBA season and we don't know what he is despite being number 1 overall pick who came in with a lot of hype Outside of Mitchell Robinson this year, who had his troubles for a good portion of the season with fouls you don't get 19 year old defensive rookies coming in making a big impact. You won't see big results from Bamba until he's 3 or 4 years into the league and he has the potential to be an Gobert who can actually add range to his game. Gobert didn't play his rookie season, Adams wasn't good when he came into the league and didn't really break out until this year as far as offense is concerned, Capela sat on the bench his first 2.5 seasons their is recent examples to show trends of slow starts but turning it around so way to early to say no belief in Bamba I'm not writing Fultz off yet, but his calling card coming from Washington was he was a great shooter. IF his shoulder is f***ed or his shot is just broken, that guy is worth about 0.25 Darren Collisons around the league. As I said, Orlando is the type of team who should be taking the chance on him, but they also have to have a real plan that doesn't include him starting at PG 3 years from now because that's definitely a possibility if not a probable.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 0:43:51 GMT -5
Markelle Fultz is their starting PG going into next season and they could potentially hit on him if he is healthy but he's going into his 3rd NBA season and we don't know what he is despite being number 1 overall pick who came in with a lot of hype Outside of Mitchell Robinson this year, who had his troubles for a good portion of the season with fouls you don't get 19 year old defensive rookies coming in making a big impact. You won't see big results from Bamba until he's 3 or 4 years into the league and he has the potential to be an Gobert who can actually add range to his game. Gobert didn't play his rookie season, Adams wasn't good when he came into the league and didn't really break out until this year as far as offense is concerned, Capela sat on the bench his first 2.5 seasons their is recent examples to show trends of slow starts but turning it around so way to early to say no belief in Bamba I'm not writing Fultz off yet, but his calling card coming from Washington was he was a great shooter. IF his shoulder is f***ed or his shot is just broken, that guy is worth about 0.25 Darren Collisons around the league. As I said, Orlando is the type of team who should be taking the chance on him, but they also have to have a real plan that doesn't include him starting at PG 3 years from now because that's definitely a possibility if not a probable. Taking a chance on Fultz is the right move. It is basically 2 years of seeing what he can do, assuming you pick up his 5th year option. It is really no cost to them and they only gave up role players in return. If he hits than that is a potential All Star player they ran into. However, Orlando doesn't have a long term plan as said. This whole team could be turned around in a few years which includes Bamba and Issac. They have to hope Fultz, Bamba, Issac and Gordon work for them or they will be trying to fix up a new team again. ATL will jump them soon tho with their young squad. Hunter is a great addition and while i'm not terribly high on Cam Reddish, one would hope he could at least be MKG with a semi consistent jump shot. ATL could be a team that sneaks in and signs a Middleton, Brodgon, Harris.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 0:48:37 GMT -5
Ric Bucher says Clippers and 76ers have backed off pursuit of Durant due to Achilles
76ers had a 0% chance of getting him and Clippers had a slightly better chance so no real loss their. Consensus is it down to Nets, Knicks, and GS for his choices
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Post by sfvega on Jun 26, 2019 2:06:47 GMT -5
I'm not writing Fultz off yet, but his calling card coming from Washington was he was a great shooter. IF his shoulder is f***ed or his shot is just broken, that guy is worth about 0.25 Darren Collisons around the league. As I said, Orlando is the type of team who should be taking the chance on him, but they also have to have a real plan that doesn't include him starting at PG 3 years from now because that's definitely a possibility if not a probable. Taking a chance on Fultz is the right move. It is basically 2 years of seeing what he can do, assuming you pick up his 5th year option. It is really no cost to them and they only gave up role players in return. If he hits than that is a potential All Star player they ran into. However, Orlando doesn't have a long term plan as said. This whole team could be turned around in a few years which includes Bamba and Issac. They have to hope Fultz, Bamba, Issac and Gordon work for them or they will be trying to fix up a new team again. ATL will jump them soon tho with their young squad. Hunter is a great addition and while i'm not terribly high on Cam Reddish, one would hope he could at least be MKG with a semi consistent jump shot. ATL could be a team that sneaks in and signs a Middleton, Brodgon, Harris. It's crazy that Atlanta was able to come out of the 8, 10, and 17 spots to get Hunter and Reddish when pre-trade, Reddish and just a role player would have been a win for them. To come out of it with both Reddish and Hunter and a 1st in 2020 at the cost of just a couple of 2nd rounders and eating Allen Crabbe's contract is huge. It fills the hole at the 3 that Prince left. Reddish I'm 100% not sold on, but is still great value at 10 in this particular draft. Definitely needs to become a better shooter though. With Bazemore out, minutes at the 2 are open since Evan Turner is only a limited threat anymore. They're basically young everywhere and can just let those guys grow together and will probably pick like 10th and 18th next year in a much better, deeper draft so they should only get better unless Brooklyn can manage to win a round (which I don't think they do even in a wide-open East.) Still shaking my head at Phoenix trading out of the meat of the draft only to draft Cam Johnson in exchange for Saric with White right there for them. Between that and the Josh Jackson over Fox pick that I was irate with at the time, I feel like they just don't want a PG ever. Trash organization.
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Post by jjohns828 on Jun 26, 2019 4:49:41 GMT -5
I agree there. For the time being, they will work fine, but jesus christ your backcourt has been a disaster since.....? Payton had a couple decent seasons, but he was more of a Kris Dunn putting up numbers while not being a very good basketball player. Fournier is ok, but not a long term staple. I don't even know who your PG is today, and I keep up with the NBA very well. Augustin still, or has his contract expired? Fultz is anyone's guess. I get it as a flyer on a guy when you have nothing, but it's not a real plan it's a lottery ticket. If they can move Gordon for any young guard with promise, absolutely do it. Denver has Monte Morris and Malik Beasley playing well and Paul Millsap is almost ancient. Gordon + a small add for Jamal Murray could work for both. On Bamba, he's a project. Pretty much any very good center the last several years looked lost at one point or another early. Capela took forever to get conditioning. KAT was atrocious defensively, still is a lot of the time. Ayton as well. Already covered JJJ. Myles Turner is just now turning a corner. Gobert barely played his rookie year. I would give him a chance to change your mind, but centers take a while to develop. And project centers take even longer. This year is probably still a learning experience. You won't have a good idea of what you have in him until the end of the 2020-21 season. Markelle Fultz is their starting PG going into next season and they could potentially hit on him if he is healthy but he's going into his 3rd NBA season and we don't know what he is despite being number 1 overall pick who came in with a lot of hype Outside of Mitchell Robinson this year, who had his troubles for a good portion of the season with fouls you don't get 19 year old defensive rookies coming in making a big impact. You won't see big results from Bamba until he's 3 or 4 years into the league and he has the potential to be an Gobert who can actually add range to his game. Gobert didn't play his rookie season, Adams wasn't good when he came into the league and didn't really break out until this year as far as offense is concerned, Capela sat on the bench his first 2.5 seasons their is recent examples to show trends of slow starts but turning it around so way to early to say no belief in Bamba As much as I don’t like it I have to pencil in Augustin as the starter again until Fultz shows anything. I agree that it is was absolutely worth taking a chance on him since it cost so little but I don't think you can assume it works out so well that he becomes the starter before he even sees the court again. I hope he proves me wrong and is able to take the starting job but I just don’t think that can be assumed at this point. To be fair about it being too early to have no belief in Bamba, I didn’t believe in him going into the draft so it’s more that I haven’t seen anything to give me belief than me losing it. Of course I hope he proves me wrong I just haven’t seen anything that has changed my opinion yet.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 26, 2019 10:38:52 GMT -5
New York Post reports that Kyrie Irving plans to sign a 4 year, $141 million contract with the Nets
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Post by Cyno on Jun 26, 2019 10:40:05 GMT -5
Per Woj, Kevin Durant has officially opted out with the Warriors.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 10:55:22 GMT -5
Taking a chance on Fultz is the right move. It is basically 2 years of seeing what he can do, assuming you pick up his 5th year option. It is really no cost to them and they only gave up role players in return. If he hits than that is a potential All Star player they ran into. However, Orlando doesn't have a long term plan as said. This whole team could be turned around in a few years which includes Bamba and Issac. They have to hope Fultz, Bamba, Issac and Gordon work for them or they will be trying to fix up a new team again. ATL will jump them soon tho with their young squad. Hunter is a great addition and while i'm not terribly high on Cam Reddish, one would hope he could at least be MKG with a semi consistent jump shot. ATL could be a team that sneaks in and signs a Middleton, Brodgon, Harris. It's crazy that Atlanta was able to come out of the 8, 10, and 17 spots to get Hunter and Reddish when pre-trade, Reddish and just a role player would have been a win for them. To come out of it with both Reddish and Hunter and a 1st in 2020 at the cost of just a couple of 2nd rounders and eating Allen Crabbe's contract is huge. It fills the hole at the 3 that Prince left. Reddish I'm 100% not sold on, but is still great value at 10 in this particular draft. Definitely needs to become a better shooter though. With Bazemore out, minutes at the 2 are open since Evan Turner is only a limited threat anymore. They're basically young everywhere and can just let those guys grow together and will probably pick like 10th and 18th next year in a much better, deeper draft so they should only get better unless Brooklyn can manage to win a round (which I don't think they do even in a wide-open East.) Still shaking my head at Phoenix trading out of the meat of the draft only to draft Cam Johnson in exchange for Saric with White right there for them. Between that and the Josh Jackson over Fox pick that I was irate with at the time, I feel like they just don't want a PG ever. Trash organization. ATL has the chance to be really good sooner than later and if they get some decent role players they will be able to compete for an 8th seed spot this year Suns is just asinine. I like who they drafted from Virginia but he’s not starting this year. Most likely their in the market for a Darren Collinson because Rubio most likely goes to Indiana. I still think they could had Lonzo Ball for the 6th pick but they made that move which is a big head scratcher
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 26, 2019 10:55:36 GMT -5
New York Post reports that Kyrie Irving plans to sign a 4 year, $141 million contract with the Nets They better hope KD comes attached to his hip.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 10:56:17 GMT -5
Per Woj, Kevin Durant has officially opted out with the Warriors. As expected. Their was a slim chance he would opt in and work a new deal with GS but that’s dead especially when teams are willing to offer him the max
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 10:58:09 GMT -5
Markelle Fultz is their starting PG going into next season and they could potentially hit on him if he is healthy but he's going into his 3rd NBA season and we don't know what he is despite being number 1 overall pick who came in with a lot of hype Outside of Mitchell Robinson this year, who had his troubles for a good portion of the season with fouls you don't get 19 year old defensive rookies coming in making a big impact. You won't see big results from Bamba until he's 3 or 4 years into the league and he has the potential to be an Gobert who can actually add range to his game. Gobert didn't play his rookie season, Adams wasn't good when he came into the league and didn't really break out until this year as far as offense is concerned, Capela sat on the bench his first 2.5 seasons their is recent examples to show trends of slow starts but turning it around so way to early to say no belief in Bamba As much as I don’t like it I have to pencil in Augustin as the starter again until Fultz shows anything. I agree that it is was absolutely worth taking a chance on him since it cost so little but I don't think you can assume it works out so well that he becomes the starter before he even sees the court again. I hope he proves me wrong and is able to take the starting job but I just don’t think that can be assumed at this point. To be fair about it being too early to have no belief in Bamba, I didn’t believe in him going into the draft so it’s more that I haven’t seen anything to give me belief than me losing it. Of course I hope he proves me wrong I just haven’t seen anything that has changed my opinion yet. Still only one season. Defensive big men don’t come in to the league dominant and it takes them a few years to figure it out. However, Magic has a bad habit of drafting no offensive players so that’s their fault taking guys who have to develop over multiple years
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 10:59:34 GMT -5
Per Woj, Kevin Durant has officially opted out with the Warriors. D’Lo free to leave then. Going be interesting what teams is after him I think him and Kyrie could play together but as don’t see this as some massive upgrade that makes them title contenders. Just a shiny new toy who couldn’t handle leadership of a very good Celtics team
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 26, 2019 11:06:57 GMT -5
Per Woj, Kevin Durant has officially opted out with the Warriors. D’Lo free to leave then. Going be interesting what teams is after him I think him and Kyrie could play together but as don’t see this as some massive upgrade that makes them title contenders. Just a shiny new toy who couldn’t handle leadership of a very good Celtics team Unless the move directly leads to KD, it’s an at best lateral move for as you put it perfectly a “shiny new toy”
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Post by Rican on Jun 26, 2019 11:24:41 GMT -5
My predictions:
KD - Knicks. Seems like this has always been the plan and I don't think either side has changed their mind.
Kyrie - Nets - I have no idea why and think this is gonna go badly but they seem dead set on it.
Kawhi - Raptors - I think he'll do a two year deal with an opt-out option after the first year.
Klay - Golden State - Don't think this was ever even a question.
Butler - Rockets. Morey seems pretty set on this and I think he can pull it off. I also think this is going to be a disaster.
Kemba - Charlotte - He has always said he wants to stay there and MJ loves him. The Hornets are content just being an ok team so I don't think they will think twice about offering it up.
Middleton - Bucks- Don't think he's going anywhere. They're still a year or two away but we haven't seen Giannis' ceiling yet and I think they will work to keep Khris as an integral part of that.
Harris - Philly - He seems happy there. Also if Butler leaves I think they'll be determined to keep at least one of the guys they went all in on.
Russell - Mavs- I think once Kemba re-signs Dallas will quickly shift focus onto him and offer a big deal.
Horford - Mavs- Think Cuban goes big here too.
Randle - Clippers- I think the Clippers are gonna end up striking out on most of the big names and will gamble on young guys.
Reddick - Lakers - Makes sense as a vet that could be on a relatively cheap deal.
Brogdon - Clippers- Think they shift their focus to him once Kawhi re-signs.
Lopez - Think he stays with the Bucks.
Cousins - Lakers- another relatively cheap deal for them to fill out.
Vucevic - Kings- Think they'll offer a big deal. Orlando seems good with Gordon and Mamba up front.
DeAndre - Knicks - Him and KD are close so I think he stays.
Rose - Suns - they need a PG, he should be available.
Beverly - Think the Clippers end up keeping him.
Ariza - Spurs- we really need wing depth and he should be available and a good addition.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 11:28:16 GMT -5
D’Lo free to leave then. Going be interesting what teams is after him I think him and Kyrie could play together but as don’t see this as some massive upgrade that makes them title contenders. Just a shiny new toy who couldn’t handle leadership of a very good Celtics team Unless the move directly leads to KD, it’s an at best lateral move for as you put it perfectly a “shiny new toy” If they get KD they made the ultimate power move and if it cost them D'Lo then yeah it was worth it but if all they got out of this was Kyrie and still end up signing Tobias Harris then this is not really a forward move, a lateral one as you said However, if we look at the best case scenario moving forward which is them signing Kyrie and KD, they have the assets to be able to acquire a 3rd piece through a trade at some point during the season. I feel KAT name will come up a lot soon in trade talks and he'd be a target. They could even make a lesser move and go after an Andre Drummond without having to give up too much
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 11:45:49 GMT -5
More predictions for the role players
Bojan - Indiana - Don't think he gets outpriced too much
Milsap - Lakers - Don't see Denver picking up that $30 mill option. Could be a cheap vet for the Lakers
Thaddeus Young - Milwaukee - A guy that could add length to a tall team losing pieces
Rubio - Indiana - Seems like a perfect match with Suns being an option as well
Lamb - Charlotte - Think Charlotte brings him back on a modest deal otherwise maybe a Magic or Pelicans looks at him
Ross - Orlando - He had a great year and think Orlando brings him back
Wesley Matthews - Golden St - They need a vet and him being able to play the 2 and 3 works well. This is assuming he takes a lesser deal
Danny Green - Raptors - Think they keep their group together
Looney - Magic - He increased his stock with his playoff performance and can bring a toughness to a team who needs it and he seems to fit the bill for the Magic
Rondo - Lakers - Tho he didn't say some kind words when season ended, LBJ trust him and Rondo will be valuable in the playoffs plus him and AD loved playing as teammates in NO
Valanciunas - Cavs - They need a big man and he could fit the bill on a one year deal
Collinson - Suns - They need PG depth tho wouldn't rule out Lakers
Aminu - Blazers - Good complimentary piece to the squad who they sign back
Hood - Memphis - Could use another scorer to help Morant and Hood can get buckets
Parker - Knicks - They always sign one of these players every year
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 15:23:48 GMT -5
Al Horford drawing interest from the Pelicans
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 16:17:57 GMT -5
Gasol returns to Raptors accepting his $25 Million dollar deal
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 26, 2019 16:42:29 GMT -5
To update the story on the Rockets trying to trade Capela, Tucker, Gordon
They are offering these players individually to different teams because they want to get the best 1st round pick possible
Yeah okay. I can see a protected first for Capela but not for Gordon and Tucker. The plan is to be able to trade either Gordon or Tucker along with a pick in a sign and trade for Butler
I don't see Kings giving up a 1st round pick for Capela nor do I see Boston doing the same. Maybe an Orlando jumps in the frey or Hawks who have collateral to deal from
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 26, 2019 17:47:48 GMT -5
Gasol returns to Raptors accepting his $25 Million dollar deal Apparently, he’s said that he’d stay with the Raptors if Kawhi Leonard stays, so the chances of Leonard staying possibly have risen.
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