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Post by jjohns828 on Jun 25, 2019 20:28:51 GMT -5
I can't speak for most of these predictions but I can't really see the Magic both losing Vucevic and signing Middleton since one move is us taking a step back and continue to rebuild well the other is a win now move. Not really. Middleton will be added to a line up that needs another guard. Vucevic while he has turned into all star this season, they have a cheaper option in their draft pick from last year Mo Bamba to fall back on Adding Middleton keeps them in the playoff hunt and their momentum from last year adding to Fultz finally playing as well I disagree, even before he was hurt Bamba was awful last year and it wasn't just about the need to bulk up to an NBA body. For someone that was touted as a great defensive prospect he looked clueless most of the time and is not close to ready to start at center. I think the downgrade from Vucevic to Bamba will be far more significant than the upgrade from Fournier to Middleton.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 20:35:37 GMT -5
Not really. Middleton will be added to a line up that needs another guard. Vucevic while he has turned into all star this season, they have a cheaper option in their draft pick from last year Mo Bamba to fall back on Adding Middleton keeps them in the playoff hunt and their momentum from last year adding to Fultz finally playing as well I disagree, even before he was hurt Bamba was awful last year and it wasn't just about the need to bulk up to an NBA body. For someone that was touted as a great defensive prospect he looked clueless most of the time and is not close to ready to start at center. I think the downgrade from Vucevic to Bamba will be far more significant than the upgrade from Fournier to Middleton. I'm not saying Bamba is ready now. They would sign a vet to be a placeholder like a Dedmon who has a lot of interest in the league who they can lure on a 2 year deal possibly or a Cousins looking to have a chance to rebound his value, Kanter on a one year deal, Robin Lopez the same thing and Kevin Looney is an RFA but for the right money could be lured away Basically what i'm saying is their is a lot of Centers available this year and they aren't "stuck" having to pay Vucevic
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jun 25, 2019 20:36:20 GMT -5
I missed the awards but it shouldโve been Harden, like weโre gonna look at his numbers in the future and wonder why he didnโt win it, like when Kobe was dropping eighty and still missed the mvp.
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Post by jjohns828 on Jun 25, 2019 20:48:15 GMT -5
I disagree, even before he was hurt Bamba was awful last year and it wasn't just about the need to bulk up to an NBA body. For someone that was touted as a great defensive prospect he looked clueless most of the time and is not close to ready to start at center. I think the downgrade from Vucevic to Bamba will be far more significant than the upgrade from Fournier to Middleton. I'm not saying Bamba is ready now. They would sign a vet to be a placeholder like a Dedmon who has a lot of interest in the league who they can lure on a 2 year deal possibly or a Cousins looking to have a chance to rebound his value, Kanter on a one year deal, Robin Lopez the same thing and Kevin Looney is an RFA but for the right money could be lured away Basically what i'm saying is their is a lot of Centers available this year and they aren't "stuck" having to pay Vucevic I agree about Vucevic if I was the Magic front office I would thank him for helping us get to the playoffs and wish him luck in finding the best deal he can. I'm just saying I wouldn't do that and give Middleton a long term deal. I think resigning Vucevic to a long term deal would likely lock us in as a treadmill team either last in or first out of the playoffs and I don't think giving Middleton a long term deal for the money I think he'd want would be much better. If we move on from Vuc I think D'Lo is the player we'd be more likely to try to get in the bidding for even if we'd be a long shot for him to pick. Then if that didn't work I'd probably find some good mentoring type vets to sign on two year deals to line up with the expiration of Fournier's contract and focus on the young players we already have. Although the only young player on our team I fully believe in long term is Isaac.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 20:54:45 GMT -5
I missed the awards but it shouldโve been Harden, like weโre gonna look at his numbers in the future and wonder why he didnโt win it, like when Kobe was dropping eighty and still missed the mvp. Kobe should have won over Nash but no Giannis over Harden was the right call Bucks went from a non playoff team to having the best record in the league on the back of Giannis while he also averaged 27.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 6 assist while shooting 58%. Add on 1.3 steals and 1.5 blocks a game. The bad comes in his 3 point shooting 25% from 3 and having 3.7 turnovers per game Harden averaged a stupidly impressive 36.1 points ppg, with 7.5 assist and 6.6 rebounds along with 2.0 steals. However, he averaged 5 turnovers a game and only shot 44% Harden ran so much Iso ball his numbers are impressive by default which is not to slight him but still. He was inefficient despite putting up crazy numbers and he kept the Rockets in the playoff race but when you look at them side to side it is Giannis for me. Any other year Harden has a case but as impressive as Harden dominance was people seem to forget Giannis. He dominated the paint unlike any player since Shaq. If Harden avergaed 40 while shooting 45% from the field he probably gets it but despite the eye popping 36 ppg the inefficiency kills him along with Giannis numbers being stupid in itself
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 21:01:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying Bamba is ready now. They would sign a vet to be a placeholder like a Dedmon who has a lot of interest in the league who they can lure on a 2 year deal possibly or a Cousins looking to have a chance to rebound his value, Kanter on a one year deal, Robin Lopez the same thing and Kevin Looney is an RFA but for the right money could be lured away Basically what i'm saying is their is a lot of Centers available this year and they aren't "stuck" having to pay Vucevic I agree about Vucevic if I was the Magic front office I would thank him for helping us get to the playoffs and wish him luck in finding the best deal he can. I'm just saying I wouldn't do that and give Middleton a long term deal. I think resigning Vucevic to a long term deal would likely lock us in as a treadmill team either last in or first out of the playoffs and I don't think giving Middleton a long term deal for the money I think he'd want would be much better. If we move on from Vuc I think D'Lo is the player we'd be more likely to try to get in the bidding for even if we'd be a long shot for him to pick. Then if that didn't work I'd probably find some good mentoring type vets to sign on two year deals to line up with the expiration of Fournier's contract and focus on the young players we already have. Although the only young player on our team I fully believe in long term is Isaac. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying I would give Middleton that big of a deal but I think it is in the Magic head. He's one of the better players on the market and he's more a complimentary piece but he can score in this league and they would want that vet on the team D'Lo is not happening tho I expect them to put in a bid because they can. Magic as a organization don't want to go backwards. They want to keep the playoff hopes alive and in this weak East getting a scorer of Middleton caliber will work or they offer a deal to his teammate Brogdon. Magic aren't in a position to grab a big name nor are they in the bad mode now to take a contract and get a pick for rebuilding. They are in the playoff hunt mindset after this year and with Gordon still on the roster making big money they will grab another complimentary piece who is more akin to taking a deal from them. B and C tier free agents will be their target so guys like Rozier, Middleton, Morris etc.. They are going to spend the money, just a matter of on who
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Post by jjohns828 on Jun 25, 2019 21:11:58 GMT -5
I agree about Vucevic if I was the Magic front office I would thank him for helping us get to the playoffs and wish him luck in finding the best deal he can. I'm just saying I wouldn't do that and give Middleton a long term deal. I think resigning Vucevic to a long term deal would likely lock us in as a treadmill team either last in or first out of the playoffs and I don't think giving Middleton a long term deal for the money I think he'd want would be much better. If we move on from Vuc I think D'Lo is the player we'd be more likely to try to get in the bidding for even if we'd be a long shot for him to pick. Then if that didn't work I'd probably find some good mentoring type vets to sign on two year deals to line up with the expiration of Fournier's contract and focus on the young players we already have. Although the only young player on our team I fully believe in long term is Isaac. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying I would give Middleton that big of a deal but I think it is in the Magic head. He's one of the better players on the market and he's more a complimentary piece but he can score in this league and they would want that vet on the team D'Lo is not happening tho I expect them to put in a bid because they can. Magic as a organization don't want to go backwards. They want to keep the playoff hopes alive and in this weak East getting a scorer of Middleton caliber will work or they offer a deal to his teammate Brogdon. Magic aren't in a position to grab a big name nor are they in the bad mode now to take a contract and get a pick for rebuilding. They are in the playoff hunt mindset after this year and with Gordon still on the roster making big money they will grab another complimentary piece who is more akin to taking a deal from them. B and C tier free agents will be their target so guys like Rozier, Middleton, Morris etc.. They are going to spend the money, just a matter of on who I don't disagree that it's likely what the Magic will do I just think giving a B or C tier free agent a long-term contract will be mistake even if it's likely what we'll do. Middleton is clearly the best of those options I just think it's a mistake because our team is so poorly constructed despite making the playoffs that long term it's better to take a step back. Personally, I thought we should have traded Vucevic and Ross during the season, even though the playoff push was fun I think making the playoffs might lead our front office to be blind to how far away we actually are. Then I again I might just feel that way because I'm pessimistic about Bamba, Fultz, and think Gordon and Isaac are both power forwards long term so I only see one long term piece on this team that I believe in.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 25, 2019 21:31:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that would mean Philly would have to take two of Capela/Gordon/Tucker for the salaries to even match. Houston would be hard-capped at the apron (about $130m) with around $110m of that going to just three players. Now if you're Butler, what are your options this offseason? Philly, NY, Brooklyn, LAC... maybe the Lakers if they get that third max slot? Philly has cap space. They can take on Gordon and Tucker contracts which I think is like $18 mill between the two but if you are giving Butler the max you still have to clear like another $14 mill which I doubt Philly is willing to take on. In that case, I think they give away Capela to someone like Boston or Sac assuming Philly would take back Gordon and Tucker who would be good role players for them admittedly but it would f*** up their cap and i'm not sure if they have bird rights to Butler or Harris meaning being able to go over cap to re-sign themย Butler options are basically as you stated those teams. A dark horse is Miami who have the ability to get rid of cap to sign Butler but so far that hasn't happened. Look for them to possibly try to get JR contract which may cost them a 1st round pick to do soย Also look for Clippers to go strong after Butler if lose out on Kawhi. LAC doesn't want to strikeout but they also don't need to push it either.ย ย The NBA is weird. Capela is easily the best and youngest player of the 3, I think he's only 22 or 23. He's one of the best pure centers in the game. But he would be given away because he'd clog the lane for Philly. It's possible if they get a deal in place for Butler that they can trade Capela to a 3rd team for assets to give Philly. And of course the Rockets would collapse with another guard who wants the ball a shitton and isn't great off the ball. Butler would be amazing for Miami. He could be option 1 and 2 for Miami with their lack of offensive weapons. J-Rich only chucks out of habit, Dragic is declining, Whiteside is on borrowed time, Bam is an all-around player who doesn't dominate the ball or touches, Justise is still a defender/facilitator. They actually have a solid team, they just need scoring. It's a match made in heaven, so of course it won't happen because that's how NBA decision-making works.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 25, 2019 21:41:18 GMT -5
If the Kings do give the big money, Iโd rather have Horford than Vucevic. (It wonโt be a lack of trying, thatโs for sure. Theyโre always in on everyone... who just say no) Mainly because I think Harry Giles has unlimited upside, and will be able to swap with Horford in a season or two when his breakout is complete. Plus the guidance and leadership from Horford to the young bigs would be invaluable. It also helps that Horford has been one of the better passing big men in the game until a freak like Jokic came along. That's an area that Giles and Bagley need to work on. Defense as well, but that's less important in today's league sadly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 21:42:13 GMT -5
Philly has cap space. They can take on Gordon and Tucker contracts which I think is like $18 mill between the two but if you are giving Butler the max you still have to clear like another $14 mill which I doubt Philly is willing to take on. In that case, I think they give away Capela to someone like Boston or Sac assuming Philly would take back Gordon and Tucker who would be good role players for them admittedly but it would f*** up their cap and i'm not sure if they have bird rights to Butler or Harris meaning being able to go over cap to re-sign them Butler options are basically as you stated those teams. A dark horse is Miami who have the ability to get rid of cap to sign Butler but so far that hasn't happened. Look for them to possibly try to get JR contract which may cost them a 1st round pick to do so Also look for Clippers to go strong after Butler if lose out on Kawhi. LAC doesn't want to strikeout but they also don't need to push it either. The NBA is weird. Capela is easily the best and youngest player of the 3, I think he's only 22 or 23. He's one of the best pure centers in the game. But he would be given away because he'd clog the lane for Philly. It's possible if they get a deal in place for Butler that they can trade Capela to a 3rd team for assets to give Philly. And of course the Rockets would collapse with another guard who wants the ball a shitton and isn't great off the ball. Butler would be amazing for Miami. He could be option 1 and 2 for Miami with their lack of offensive weapons. J-Rich only chucks out of habit, Dragic is declining, Whiteside is on borrowed time, Bam is an all-around player who doesn't dominate the ball or touches, Justise is still a defender/facilitator. They actually have a solid team, they just need scoring. It's a match made in heaven, so of course it won't happen because that's how NBA decision-making works. In order for that Houston trade to work they would have to bring in a 3rd team for Capela but I doubt a team like Boston is willing to help either team so you're looking at a Kings or maybe Orlando who would replace Vucevic and add to a good defensive Orlando team Butler to Miami is a perfect fit and one Riley has been chasing since last offseason. Miami needs to move contracts like Waiters and Johnson which has been the popular option in trading them and a pick to the Cavs for JR Smith and waiving JR. Bam Bam is not giving up his starting Center spot so once again you have to entice a team like the Kings or Bos to take on Whiteside who is also an expiring deal so maybe you can move him to the Cavs as well Lineup of Dragic Richardson Butler Winslow Bam That's a good starting 5 with the ability to lock people up early and Butler being the focal point with Richardson being a guy who would low key average 15-18 points just by being the 2nd option
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Post by sfvega on Jun 25, 2019 21:52:53 GMT -5
Not really. Middleton will be added to a line up that needs another guard. Vucevic while he has turned into all star this season, they have a cheaper option in their draft pick from last year Mo Bamba to fall back onย Adding Middleton keeps them in the playoff hunt and their momentum from last year adding to Fultz finally playing as well I disagree, even before he was hurt Bamba was awful last year and it wasn't just about the need to bulk up to an NBA body. For someone that was touted as a great defensive prospect he looked clueless most of the time and is not close to ready to start at center. I think the downgrade from Vucevic to Bamba will be far more significant than the upgrade from Fournier to Middleton. It takes a good while for a lot of defensive big men to come into their own, especially when they're shot blockers because it's so easy for veterans to get them into foul trouble and use their aggressiveness against them. Even a monster defensively like Jaren Jackson Jr had to deal with low minutes and foul trouble, and Bamba is a much bigger project than JJJ. The downgrade from Vucevic is huge, but you don't put that investment into Bamba to re-sign Vuc long-term and relegate Bamba to a back-up center for his entire first contract. I also think that since Isaac has not developed much of an offensive game that him and Gordon could coexist, since on the defensive end Isaac can guard essentially any position on the court, sans maybe smaller guards. In the new position-less NBA, Isaac can always find a spot in the starting line-up.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 25, 2019 22:00:56 GMT -5
The NBA is weird. Capela is easily the best and youngest player of the 3, I think he's only 22 or 23. He's one of the best pure centers in the game. But he would be given away because he'd clog the lane for Philly. It's possible if they get a deal in place for Butler that they can trade Capela to a 3rd team for assets to give Philly. And of course the Rockets would collapse with another guard who wants the ball a shitton and isn't great off the ball. Butler would be amazing for Miami. He could be option 1 and 2 for Miami with their lack of offensive weapons. J-Rich only chucks out of habit, Dragic is declining, Whiteside is on borrowed time, Bam is an all-around player who doesn't dominate the ball or touches, Justise is still a defender/facilitator. They actually have a solid team, they just need scoring. It's a match made in heaven, so of course it won't happen because that's how NBA decision-making works. In order for that Houston trade to work they would have to bring in a 3rd team for Capela but I doubt a team like Boston is willing to help either team so you're looking at a Kings or maybe Orlando who would replace Vucevic and add to a good defensive Orlando team Butler to Miami is a perfect fit and one Riley has been chasing since last offseason. Miami needs to move contracts like Waiters and Johnson which has been the popular option in trading them and a pick to the Cavs for JR Smith and waiving JR. Bam Bam is not giving up his starting Center spot so once again you have to entice a team like the Kings or Bos to take on Whiteside who is also an expiring deal so maybe you can move him to the Cavs as well Lineup of Dragic Richardson Butler Winslow Bam That's a good starting 5 with the ability to lock people up early and Butler being the focal point with Richardson being a guy who would low key average 15-18 points just by being the 2nd optionย Miami will have trouble finding a team to take on Whiteside until the deadline when expiring contracts are in-demand. James Johnson could be a good pick-up for a lot of teams, especially GS since they're likely to lose KD and are without Klay for a long time. Plenty of SF minutes available, and with Iguodala's knees looking bad, they could use a defensive swiss army knife who can move the ball well. And they'll have money. Kings should want to take on Whiteside though, if it means a pick or two from Miami. Especially if they strike out on the big FA names, which they usually do. They always have the space, they just don't get their targets. Might as well utilize it. If Miami gets Jim Buckets and Kawhi leaves for LAC, I might just have Miami as my favorites in the East over Milwaukee depending on how Milwaukee's free agents shake out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 22:12:28 GMT -5
In order for that Houston trade to work they would have to bring in a 3rd team for Capela but I doubt a team like Boston is willing to help either team so you're looking at a Kings or maybe Orlando who would replace Vucevic and add to a good defensive Orlando team Butler to Miami is a perfect fit and one Riley has been chasing since last offseason. Miami needs to move contracts like Waiters and Johnson which has been the popular option in trading them and a pick to the Cavs for JR Smith and waiving JR. Bam Bam is not giving up his starting Center spot so once again you have to entice a team like the Kings or Bos to take on Whiteside who is also an expiring deal so maybe you can move him to the Cavs as well Lineup of Dragic Richardson Butler Winslow Bam That's a good starting 5 with the ability to lock people up early and Butler being the focal point with Richardson being a guy who would low key average 15-18 points just by being the 2nd optionย Miami will have trouble finding a team to take on Whiteside until the deadline when expiring contracts are in-demand. James Johnson could be a good pick-up for a lot of teams, especially GS since they're likely to lose KD and are without Klay for a long time. Plenty of SF minutes available, and with Iguodala's knees looking bad, they could use a defensive swiss army knife who can move the ball well. And they'll have money. Kings should want to take on Whiteside though, if it means a pick or two from Miami. Especially if they strike out on the big FA names, which they usually do. They always have the space, they just don't get their targets. Might as well utilize it. If Miami gets Jim Buckets and Kawhi leaves for LAC, I might just have Miami as my favorites in the East over Milwaukee depending on how Milwaukee's free agents shake out. I would still like Philly due to the Embiid/Simmons factor but they stand to potentially lose a lot in free agency with role players and starters Miami will make moves just a matter of when. Whiteside wonโt be an option until a lot of players are off the board but they can move Waiters and Johnson. For as much people talk about the West being open, the East is open to. Even if Kawhi resigns we cant forget the lengths he had to go to to Carry this team and they were down almost every series. They could be beatable but you have to have a guy who can close when you need him which is where a Butler fits in for Miami. Philly never used him as the closer they should have
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Post by jjohns828 on Jun 25, 2019 22:16:55 GMT -5
I disagree, even before he was hurt Bamba was awful last year and it wasn't just about the need to bulk up to an NBA body. For someone that was touted as a great defensive prospect he looked clueless most of the time and is not close to ready to start at center. I think the downgrade from Vucevic to Bamba will be far more significant than the upgrade from Fournier to Middleton. It takes a good while for a lot of defensive big men to come into their own, especially when they're shot blockers because it's so easy for veterans to get them into foul trouble and use their aggressiveness against them. Even a monster defensively like Jaren Jackson Jr had to deal with low minutes and foul trouble, and Bamba is a much bigger project than JJJ. The downgrade from Vucevic is huge, but you don't put that investment into Bamba to re-sign Vuc long-term and relegate Bamba to a back-up center for his entire first contract. I also think that since Isaac has not developed much of an offensive game that him and Gordon could coexist, since on the defensive end Isaac can guard essentially any position on the court, sans maybe smaller guards. In the new position-less NBA, Isaac can always find a spot in the starting line-up. I agree that Gordon and Isaac could potentially coexist long term but I also think that it's likely that both of them will be at their best at PF so it might might the most sense to trade one of them, preferably Gordon since I think Isaac has greater long-term potential, for help in the back court.
I also as I said in another post I don't want to resign Vuc because I think it locks us in as a treadmill team, but I also don't believe in Bamba long-term. I know that big men are projects but my problem wasn't that he was too aggressive it was that I felt he showed poor instincts on defense for a guy that was touted for his defensive potential, but to be fair my pessimism might partially be shaded because I didn't believe in him before the draft and was against picking him in the first place. Personally, I think if he wasn't such a high draft pick Khem Birch would of taken the primary backup role from before he got hurt.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 25, 2019 22:28:25 GMT -5
Boy, Spurs fan holding onto that bone bruise BS are having less straws to grasp
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Post by sfvega on Jun 25, 2019 22:41:21 GMT -5
It takes a good while for a lot of defensive big men to come into their own, especially when they're shot blockers because it's so easy for veterans to get them into foul trouble and use their aggressiveness against them. Even a monster defensively like Jaren Jackson Jr had to deal with low minutes and foul trouble, and Bamba is a much bigger project than JJJ. The downgrade from Vucevic is huge, but you don't put that investment into Bamba to re-sign Vuc long-term and relegate Bamba to a back-up center for his entire first contract. I also think that since Isaac has not developed much of an offensive game that him and Gordon could coexist, since on the defensive end Isaac can guard essentially any position on the court, sans maybe smaller guards. In the new position-less NBA, Isaac can always find a spot in the starting line-up. I agree that Gordon and Isaac could potentially coexist long term but I also think that it's likely that both of them will be at their best at PF so it might might the most sense to trade one of them, preferably Gordon since I think Isaac has greater long-term potential, for help in the back court.
I also as I said in another post I don't want to resign Vuc because I think it locks us in as a treadmill team, but I also don't believe in Bamba long-term. I know that big men are projects but my problem wasn't that he was too aggressive it was that I felt he showed poor instincts on defense for a guy that was touted for his defensive potential, but to be fair my pessimism might partially be shaded because I didn't believe in him before the draft and was against picking him in the first place. Personally, I think if he wasn't such a high draft pick Khem Birch would of taken the primary backup role from before he got hurt. I agree there. For the time being, they will work fine, but jesus christ your backcourt has been a disaster since.....? Payton had a couple decent seasons, but he was more of a Kris Dunn putting up numbers while not being a very good basketball player. Fournier is ok, but not a long term staple. I don't even know who your PG is today, and I keep up with the NBA very well. Augustin still, or has his contract expired? Fultz is anyone's guess. I get it as a flyer on a guy when you have nothing, but it's not a real plan it's a lottery ticket. If they can move Gordon for any young guard with promise, absolutely do it. Denver has Monte Morris and Malik Beasley playing well and Paul Millsap is almost ancient. Gordon + a small add for Jamal Murray could work for both. On Bamba, he's a project. Pretty much any very good center the last several years looked lost at one point or another early. Capela took forever to get conditioning. KAT was atrocious defensively, still is a lot of the time. Ayton as well. Already covered JJJ. Myles Turner is just now turning a corner. Gobert barely played his rookie year. I would give him a chance to change your mind, but centers take a while to develop. And project centers take even longer. This year is probably still a learning experience. You won't have a good idea of what you have in him until the end of the 2020-21 season.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 23:34:57 GMT -5
I agree that Gordon and Isaac could potentially coexist long term but I also think that it's likely that both of them will be at their best at PF so it might might the most sense to trade one of them, preferably Gordon since I think Isaac has greater long-term potential, for help in the back court.
I also as I said in another post I don't want to resign Vuc because I think it locks us in as a treadmill team, but I also don't believe in Bamba long-term. I know that big men are projects but my problem wasn't that he was too aggressive it was that I felt he showed poor instincts on defense for a guy that was touted for his defensive potential, but to be fair my pessimism might partially be shaded because I didn't believe in him before the draft and was against picking him in the first place. Personally, I think if he wasn't such a high draft pick Khem Birch would of taken the primary backup role from before he got hurt. I agree there. For the time being, they will work fine, but jesus christ your backcourt has been a disaster since.....? Payton had a couple decent seasons, but he was more of a Kris Dunn putting up numbers while not being a very good basketball player. Fournier is ok, but not a long term staple. I don't even know who your PG is today, and I keep up with the NBA very well. Augustin still, or has his contract expired? Fultz is anyone's guess. I get it as a flyer on a guy when you have nothing, but it's not a real plan it's a lottery ticket. If they can move Gordon for any young guard with promise, absolutely do it. Denver has Monte Morris and Malik Beasley playing well and Paul Millsap is almost ancient. Gordon + a small add for Jamal Murray could work for both. On Bamba, he's a project. Pretty much any very good center the last several years looked lost at one point or another early. Capela took forever to get conditioning. KAT was atrocious defensively, still is a lot of the time. Ayton as well. Already covered JJJ. Myles Turner is just now turning a corner. Gobert barely played his rookie year. I would give him a chance to change your mind, but centers take a while to develop. And project centers take even longer. This year is probably still a learning experience. You won't have a good idea of what you have in him until the end of the 2020-21 season. Markelle Fultz is their starting PG going into next season and they could potentially hit on him if he is healthy but he's going into his 3rd NBA season and we don't know what he is despite being number 1 overall pick who came in with a lot of hype Outside of Mitchell Robinson this year, who had his troubles for a good portion of the season with fouls you don't get 19 year old defensive rookies coming in making a big impact. You won't see big results from Bamba until he's 3 or 4 years into the league and he has the potential to be an Gobert who can actually add range to his game. Gobert didn't play his rookie season, Adams wasn't good when he came into the league and didn't really break out until this year as far as offense is concerned, Capela sat on the bench his first 2.5 seasons their is recent examples to show trends of slow starts but turning it around so way to early to say no belief in Bamba
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 23:42:26 GMT -5
Philly is interested in Horford who would actually be a decent fit for them considering he could shoot
Knicks may look to bring in Vince Carter to mentor the young guys. I see that as a positive move. Vince doesn't want to chase a ring even though no one would blame him at this point in his career but his previous two stops in Sac and ATL have shown good results with that
Clippers could look to get back Tobias Harris
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 23:43:26 GMT -5
Boy, Spurs fan holding onto that bone bruise BS are having less straws to grasp I felt like he was proven right this year with the way he played and this only increases it Spurs jumped on their star player and chased him out
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 25, 2019 23:45:31 GMT -5
Woj says Klay will meet with the Clippers if Warriors do not give him the full five year max
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