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Post by Shark on Aug 24, 2020 0:00:38 GMT -5
Both LA teams mortaged their short term futures to win here and now.....Lakers did it mostly because they know Lebron is on a timer so you know why they did it and to get a top 3 player in the entire NBA. Clippers did it...because (toru yano shrug) they likely will never have a better chance atleast anytime in the foreseeable future. What has been evident with the clippers IMO is and this has been all season is they bought into their own hype..oh this is Kawhi town , the new balance commercial etc...it was Clippers are the favs , they are the team to beat....and then they cockblocked Lakers during the trade deadline and that Clipper talk got more obsurd and then u got the guy who is suppose to be leading this team taking breaks....basically building absoloute no team chemistry and the rest of the team pretty much being all well....if he does it why should we be busting our asses for him. And now it is biting them in the ass at the hands of a Dallas team who is the complete opposite...that has busted their ass all season and Luka and Porzingis have developed superb chemistry. The whole season, the Clippers struck me as a team that fully believed that they could have a whatever regular seasons then turn it up for the playoffs. The massive flaw in that plan is they that don't have the experience together to be able to pull that off. A team like the Spurs could do that. The Kobe-Shaq Lakers could do that. The Clippers haven't earned that. They acted like they were champions before they even claimed the crown. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 0:05:39 GMT -5
Clippers are still talented enough to win and is the most talented team in the playoffs
My biggest problem is they took on the Kawhi mindset. Kawhi has got that from Pop and knows how to turn it on. The rest of the team isn't built like that. They are supposed to be a grinding team but Doc has forgotten that
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 24, 2020 0:40:58 GMT -5
Clippers Get: Paul George Thunder Get: Danilo Gallinari, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2022 1st round draft pick, a 2023 1st round draft pick, a 2023 1st round draft pick, a 2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick and a 2026 1st round draft pick. (2021 first-round pick is MIA's unprotected pick.) (2023 first-round pick is MIA's pick, top-14 protected.) (Right to swap with LAC.) (Right to swap with LAC.) I mean, that trade got them Kawhi Leonard, so you do that every time for a chance at a top 3 player in the game, but with PG's injury history and the way he's played in the playoffs, that's looking pretty bleak right now. Even before PG was in a slump, it was a lot to give up. The most ever. It was always a trade that one team won in the short term and another won heavily in the long-term. SGA has taken a step further than expected as well. People didn't think he'd be this good for another year or two. Considering what the hell they were asking from Toronto for Paul George, it was freaking close to easy for Toronto to turn that down, even knowing Kawhi would leave because of it. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 1:51:50 GMT -5
Clippers are still talented enough to win and is the most talented team in the playoffs My biggest problem is they took on the Kawhi mindset. Kawhi has got that from Pop and knows how to turn it on. The rest of the team isn't built like that. They are supposed to be a grinding team but Doc has forgotten that They need Bev back. Put their most irritating guy on Luka and just concede whatever numbers he's gonna put up. Focus their best defenders on shutting down the secondary options like the Pistons did before MJ's supporting cast improved. You can't shut down Luka, but you sure as shit can stop Tim Hardaway Jr. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 1:52:41 GMT -5
Even before PG was in a slump, it was a lot to give up. The most ever. It was always a trade that one team won in the short term and another won heavily in the long-term. SGA has taken a step further than expected as well. People didn't think he'd be this good for another year or two. Considering what the hell they were asking from Toronto for Paul George, it was freaking close to easy for Toronto to turn that down, even knowing Kawhi would leave because of it. I don't even want to ask what the price was. Siakam, OG, and 10 firsts? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 2:03:11 GMT -5
Clippers are still talented enough to win and is the most talented team in the playoffs My biggest problem is they took on the Kawhi mindset. Kawhi has got that from Pop and knows how to turn it on. The rest of the team isn't built like that. They are supposed to be a grinding team but Doc has forgotten that They need Bev back. Put their most irritating guy on Luka and just concede whatever numbers he's gonna put up. Focus their best defenders on shutting down the secondary options like the Pistons did before MJ's supporting cast improved. You can't shut down Luka, but you sure as shit can stop Tim Hardaway Jr. Yea, they had the right gameplan for game 3 in just frustrating Luka with Morris and Harrell switching off him You have to live with Luka putting up numbers but shut down everyone else. THJ, Burke, Curry all putting up 15-20 points shouldn't be happening You live with Luka knocking down 3's since that is not his game but you need to stick to the other players and keep an eye on KP when he is in the game. Clips got lazy being up 21. Mavs are all offense and no defense |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 24, 2020 2:17:38 GMT -5
Considering what the hell they were asking from Toronto for Paul George, it was freaking close to easy for Toronto to turn that down, even knowing Kawhi would leave because of it. I don't even want to ask what the price was. Siakam, OG, and 10 firsts? Siakim, VanVleet, and 6 first rounders was what they wanted the bidding to start with |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 2:20:08 GMT -5
I don't even want to ask what the price was. Siakam, OG, and 10 firsts? Siakim, VanVleet, and 6 first rounders was what they wanted the bidding to start with Jesus. I was joking. Siakam himself is worth three 1sts at least. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 2:26:38 GMT -5
They need Bev back. Put their most irritating guy on Luka and just concede whatever numbers he's gonna put up. Focus their best defenders on shutting down the secondary options like the Pistons did before MJ's supporting cast improved. You can't shut down Luka, but you sure as shit can stop Tim Hardaway Jr. Yea, they had the right gameplan for game 3 in just frustrating Luka with Morris and Harrell switching off him You have to live with Luka putting up numbers but shut down everyone else. THJ, Burke, Curry all putting up 15-20 points shouldn't be happening You live with Luka knocking down 3's since that is not his game but you need to stick to the other players and keep an eye on KP when he is in the game. Clips got lazy being up 21. Mavs are all offense and no defense The great part of that strat is that trying to funnel to one guy over the course of a series tends to let them shoot themselves out. It's happened to Reggie, Steph, Dame, Harden, LeBron, etc. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 24, 2020 2:34:48 GMT -5
Siakim, VanVleet, and 6 first rounders was what they wanted the bidding to start with Jesus. I was joking. Siakam himself is worth three 1sts at least. Yeah, it's an overreach already. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 2:47:55 GMT -5
I don't even want to ask what the price was. Siakam, OG, and 10 firsts? Siakim, VanVleet, and 6 first rounders was what they wanted the bidding to start with Vanvleet, Siakim and two first would been fair enough A high pay on Toronto end but with the way they develop players I think they would been alright |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 2:51:17 GMT -5
Yea, they had the right gameplan for game 3 in just frustrating Luka with Morris and Harrell switching off him You have to live with Luka putting up numbers but shut down everyone else. THJ, Burke, Curry all putting up 15-20 points shouldn't be happening You live with Luka knocking down 3's since that is not his game but you need to stick to the other players and keep an eye on KP when he is in the game. Clips got lazy being up 21. Mavs are all offense and no defense The great part of that strat is that trying to funnel to one guy over the course of a series tends to let them shoot themselves out. It's happened to Reggie, Steph, Dame, Harden, LeBron, etc. Every year I have to struggle with whether Doc is overrated as a coach or not. This is one of those years leaning overrated because he should kno better Ultimately, they need Pat Bev to be the frustrating defender he is known to be. Montrez and Morris would be able to handle KP on that end. Kawhi can stick to the wings and shut down those 3's because we know THJ is chucking every shot and PG13 just needs to get his life together |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 24, 2020 2:55:17 GMT -5
Siakim, VanVleet, and 6 first rounders was what they wanted the bidding to start with Vanvleet, Siakim and two first would been fair enough A high pay on Toronto end but with the way they develop players I think they would been alright Yeah, but they wanted 6 so no way in hell. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 3:00:43 GMT -5
Vanvleet, Siakim and two first would been fair enough A high pay on Toronto end but with the way they develop players I think they would been alright Yeah, but they wanted 6 so no way in hell. 6 is way too much, that's practically dooming your franchise for the next decade Lakers and Clippers are going to feel the effects of this for years if not now. The Cavs got lucky in that they were smart into not trading their picks past the years LeBron had on his contract and they got lucky with Kyrie trade and getting a 1st round pick It has taken Miami years to recover and they are just now getting back |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 3:24:35 GMT -5
The great part of that strat is that trying to funnel to one guy over the course of a series tends to let them shoot themselves out. It's happened to Reggie, Steph, Dame, Harden, LeBron, etc. Every year I have to struggle with whether Doc is overrated as a coach or not. This is one of those years leaning overrated because he should kno better Ultimately, they need Pat Bev to be the frustrating defender he is known to be. Montrez and Morris would be able to handle KP on that end. Kawhi can stick to the wings and shut down those 3's because we know THJ is chucking every shot and PG13 just needs to get his life together Doc is above average. No more, no less. Everyone thought when he was in Boston that he was this elite coach, and he's proven not to be. He's not a bad coach either. If PG wasn't falling apart, this would be a 3-1 series and chalk so far. |
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Post by Tom Turkey on Aug 24, 2020 7:38:52 GMT -5
Even before PG was in a slump, it was a lot to give up. The most ever. It was always a trade that one team won in the short term and another won heavily in the long-term. SGA has taken a step further than expected as well. People didn't think he'd be this good for another year or two. Considering what the hell they were asking from Toronto for Paul George, it was freaking close to easy for Toronto to turn that down, even knowing Kawhi would leave because of it. If Toronto does repeat somehow and the Clippers get bounced early, then that decision becomes even easier to justify. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 8:25:16 GMT -5
Shams is reporting Nets are interested in Pop
I can't see Pop leaving the Spurs but crazier shit has happened
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Post by sfvega on Aug 24, 2020 8:34:49 GMT -5
Shams is reporting Nets are interested in Pop I can't see Pop leaving the Spurs but crazier shit has happened Hasn't Pop wanted to or been expected to retire for a bit now? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 24, 2020 8:38:19 GMT -5
Shams is reporting Nets are interested in Pop I can't see Pop leaving the Spurs but crazier shit has happened Hasn't Pop wanted to or been expected to retire for a bit now? His original plans on retirement was that he was done when Timmy was done Then he held it off because of Kawhi Now, he is really only holding on to tutor Hammond and Duncan as future coaches |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 8:48:47 GMT -5
Can't wait for today to be done and over with.
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