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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2020 9:40:29 GMT -5
MLBPA union is not stronger then NBA
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 9:54:11 GMT -5
Couldn’t disagree more. We might be looking at the same things in different ways, though. The players run the NBA, I don’t deny that, but we are talking about the unions, not the players.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2020 10:02:56 GMT -5
The MLBPA Union has no fangs
The best leverage they got is the insane amount of money they make if you're a star but even then NBA players have closed the gap on that. NBAPA negotiated the players ability to sign a supermax. Rookies are "freed" from their deal after 4 years and have the ability to earn big money as a RFA
Players in MLB for years have complained about how owners take advantage of them to get 7-8 years out of their deals before they have to pay them. Young players are having money taken out their pockets to sign deals well under their future value worth but the owners aren't paying players so they are forced to play their game and no one is raising hell on the players side due to this
I don't see strength in that and it damn sure isn't smart. They maintain the status quo which isn't a winning achievement.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 28, 2020 10:28:12 GMT -5
It is tough to take them seriously. Honestly, they worship China and bow down to them while they have legimate slave labor and rampant human rights violations that are absolutely disgusting if you look into it. Total deaths by American citizens in 2o19 was 999 out of 750,000,131 recorded interactions. Or toughly 1 death every .00000133 interactions. There is no epidemic of cops murdering US citizens regardless of race. The whole world saw the George Floyd tape and wanted the officer thrown in jail, he is... thats justice. Comparing every other interaction as an officer murdering someone just because it's OK is assinine. NBA players want "Change" and they'll use their voices to re elect the same governors and mayors that haven't helped their constituents for decades. It'd be comical if not so sad. We have a lot of work to do to be a totally equal society. I think a lot of people are working towards that, but the people who make the most sense are the ones usually drowned out by those who can make the most noise. America is a scary experiment that goes against over two millennium of different cultures asked to coexist as one nation despite their differences. This isn't supposed to work, and while it's not perfect I think theres more good than bad, and more people willing to live among one another than we hear reported on the news. Hopefully we're another generation undergoing our growing pains so the next doesn't have to.. and we move on and grow and become better for it. Lots of work to be done and it moves a lot slower than most of us want it to. But drown out the noise, and be the change you want to see in the world. Truthfully they don't see the China thing as an issue to them because it's in another country that doesn't affect them. They feel this issue is happening in their backyards and is something a lot of them have personally experienced. It's human nature to care more about something that you see as affecting you personally. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2020 12:16:17 GMT -5
Playoffs is back tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 12:22:17 GMT -5
Portland some advice...just pack ya bags and go home now because with Dame yall was catchin that beat down and now without him come on now lol.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2020 12:38:17 GMT -5
Portland some advice...just pack ya bags and go home now because with Dame yall was catchin that beat down and now without him come on now lol. Dame already got a head start on that |
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 28, 2020 12:42:42 GMT -5
I could actually see Portland win the next game because I think the current situation has everybody's heads all over the place. I think everybody's first game back is going to be a coin flip.
I also wouldn't be shocked to see like a 40 point beatdown because a bad team shows up "checked out" and a good team shows on fire.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 28, 2020 16:09:18 GMT -5
Stephen A hearing that some players weren’t happy with LeBron at the meeting
He walked in like he was better then everyone and then just left. He left to went to play Madden as people on IG saw it on his gamertag
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Post by The Captain on Aug 28, 2020 16:16:16 GMT -5
They've got way too much money tied up in China to come down hard on that. I commend them on taking a stand on domestic social justice issues, but the NBA is still a capitalist entity that's not going to throw away billions for a cause that doesn't personally affect them or their players. Just because it doesn't personally affect them doesn't mean they can't still take a stand. And yet the people bringing up China are often doing it in an attempt to shut up or "expose" NBA players who are taking a vocal stand for Black lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 16:24:15 GMT -5
Stephen A hearing that some players weren’t happy with LeBron at the meeting He walked in like he was better then everyone and then just left. He left to went to play Madden as people on IG saw it on his gamertag From what I heard today also from Stephen A is that Lebron went back to his room and players all night long were coming into his room to convince him away from the preverbial cliffside and that is what changed his mind. So idk about Madden but so what if he did...dude had to get his mind right and if playin some madden to put his mind at ease for a little bit so what people be f***in petty as hell. |
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Post by sfvega on Aug 28, 2020 16:38:56 GMT -5
To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, you keep using that phrase and I don't think you know what it means. The NBA players are less heard by the owners and more catered to. And that is not meant to lessen their stance here, but to illustrate that their union basically has the upper hand in negotiations. Until the day comes that they don't. The MLBPA has seen pay cuts, minor league cuts, and just lost a very heated negotiation over this season. Like, are we just handing them the title becauee baseball has yet to institute a salary cap or is there more to your point? 1. The minor leagues and minor leaguers are not part of the MLBPA. 2. Tony Clark sucking at his job and the overall strength of the union are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, he can be bad and hold a strong front at the same time. 3. The owners want a salary cap, and have wanted it for decades, but MLB remains the one major US sport without one, so yes, that’s a very significant part of the strength of the union. 4. The players in the NBA are WAY more valuable to their sport and to the revenue of the league than MLB players are. They should have more power against the league. The MLB union shouldn’t. You can replace Mike Trout with Jo Adell in 2021 and I don’t think you’ll see a bit of difference in the team’s financial performance or the league’s popularity. If LeBron retired, you’d notice the hit in the NBA. Yet there is a cap on what NBA players can make. They are whining about being trapped in a bubble in Orlando. A pandemic is going to impact the cap and future salary of their players. None of those things apply to MLB players. I mean, the pandemic will hurt their future salaries but that’s because owners won’t spend, not because a cap prevents it. The MLB has a whole has been structured to be strong. They are the only sport with an antitrust exemption. Their umpire union is strong. Players union is strong. Comparing it to the NBA is apples and oranges. There’s no doubt that NBA players in terms of overall influence have the most power. All we have to look at is how every other league follows their lead to confirm that. But as far as strength of the union, I don’t see how you can argue MLB’s isn’t the strongest. I didn’t say the smartest, I said the strongest. If Clark was actually smart, MLB as a whole would be much better off. If he actually cared about minor league salaries, cared about the growth of the sport, etc, etc, the impact would be a lot more powerful. Unfortunately both him and Manfred only care about short term money for whoever they represent, so here we are. Minor leagues and minor leaguers got cut by the MLB. Do you think that the NBA would allow the WNBA to be cut down significantly, who are also not part of the NBAPA? It has nothing to do with being in the union, it has everything to do with the power and influence the NBAPA has that the MLBPA does not. Tony Clark has nothing to do with the MLB calling the MLBPA's bluff and basically not negotiating in good faith (again) for months. The MLB owners have continually stuck it to the players for the better part of the last decade, which is a main reason why tensions are so high. Anyone would have gotten the same deal, they're getting lowballed by the ownership basically throwing their power around. It isn't about the individual players. It's about the union. The NBAPA has tons of sway, obviously. The MLBPA is getting publicly screwed and taking bad deals. That has some to do with LeBron being a bigger, more irreplaceable star than Trout, but it's going to continue long after LeBron or Steph or anyone else retires. The PLAYERS have clout. The players are the NBAPA. They're one in the same. Part of the reason why the NBAPA is so strong is because of individual branding deals where guys make more money than their sports contract. Guys like LeBron aren't supermax, so you'd think they aren't big on wishing they had unlimited cap space to get bigger deals. They're already not taking the biggest deal they can. The giant MLB deals only affect about 1% of MLB players. Most guys aren't getting Trout, Cole, Bryce money, and many of their middle and lower end players are seeing weak markets (*cough*collusion*cough*) and taking pay cuts in FA. An umpire union has little to do with whether or not they're getting pushed around at the bargaining table, which they absolutely are. It's not a case of Clark being a bumbling idiot and not pushing the big red 'We actually have power' button. The commissioner and owners of the MLB are openly antagonistic towards the players in THE MOST CONTENTIOUS league/union relationship by a mile in North America. Meanwhile, the NBA has a commissioner that understands and plays to the players. You have owners that mostly kowtow to the players, and it's one of the most symbiotic and successful relationships in sports history. It's really splitting hairs to say that the players have immense power but the union doesn't. And then a giant leap in logic to say that the MLBPA has ridiculous structure and power, but just never use it. There is no comparison between the two. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 28, 2020 19:12:43 GMT -5
Just because it doesn't personally affect them doesn't mean they can't still take a stand. And yet the people bringing up China are often doing it in an attempt to shut up or "expose" NBA players who are taking a vocal stand for Black lives. No doubt. There's a ton of bad faith. I won't deny that at all but, at the same time, what's going on in China is a legit genocide. People must speak out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 20:45:00 GMT -5
Stephen A hearing that some players weren’t happy with LeBron at the meeting He walked in like he was better then everyone and then just left. He left to went to play Madden as people on IG saw it on his gamertag From what I heard today also from Stephen A is that Lebron went back to his room and players all night long were coming into his room to convince him away from the preverbial cliffside and that is what changed his mind. So idk about Madden but so what if he did...dude had to get his mind right and if playin some madden to put his mind at ease for a little bit so what people be f***in petty as hell. Yeah I don’t get people getting on him for that. I know if I was stressed out, a game might help for real. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 29, 2020 9:36:01 GMT -5
For the people claiming the players’ wildcat strike was pointless, part of the agreement to get games back on today was that owners had to agree to open arenas as polling places in this year’s election. That’s a pretty big deal, given that an arena’s size allows for tons of people to file in and out and keep social distancing, hell of a lot safer than lining up to get into a small school gym or rec hall in a major city.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2020 15:00:45 GMT -5
RIP Cliff Robinson
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 29, 2020 15:02:29 GMT -5
For the people claiming the players’ wildcat strike was pointless, part of the agreement to get games back on today was that owners had to agree to open arenas as polling places in this year’s election. That’s a pretty big deal, given that an arena’s size allows for tons of people to file in and out and keep social distancing, hell of a lot safer than lining up to get into a small school gym or rec hall in a major city. That’s such a big win for them and something that will go under appreciated in the grand scheme of things |
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Post by The Captain on Aug 29, 2020 16:10:36 GMT -5
For the people claiming the players’ wildcat strike was pointless, part of the agreement to get games back on today was that owners had to agree to open arenas as polling places in this year’s election. That’s a pretty big deal, given that an arena’s size allows for tons of people to file in and out and keep social distancing, hell of a lot safer than lining up to get into a small school gym or rec hall in a major city. You started to see some movement to this from some teams already, but this compelled everyone else to do that. It's a big deal, especially given the situation with the pandemic and all the craziness surrounding this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 20:53:24 GMT -5
Portland came in with 9 players tonight...they look to be now wittled down to 8 depending on if Whiteside comes back.
I wonder if they just hand us the win if they end up with nothing but the starting five. lol because they dangerously close to that.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 30, 2020 15:48:30 GMT -5
The Raptors were completely mismatched today
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