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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2020 21:22:08 GMT -5
Considering more then 80% of the season was played, I think a championship during this time is legit. Of course his credits will argue against that if he did win but it is a slippery slope when talking what rings matter and what rings doesn't. This is akin to a lockout type season except we missing games at the backend instead of the front Of course the flip side is let's say Lakers don't win a ring. You will have people saying he was "robbed" when his team was at the hottest and in championship pursuit. Of course, that's only a one note factor as they are forgetting injuries could play a part and Lakers stand the chance to peak at the wrong time Going be interesting to see how this works. Either way the playoffs will still be played most likely through the summer and we will have a short offseason in the NBA tho a December start I think is for the best The difference is the lockout never had interrupted play. The games didn't start until a later date, but the regular season and playoffs began and concluded without interruption. That won't be the case this year. You'll see a lot more excuses and nitpicking this year. "The 2 month shutdown disrupted (insert team's) rhythm". Or "if there was no Covid (insert old player) wouldn't have had fresh legs by the playoffs". Hell, if the season starts late enough, maybe KD/Kyrie come back (long shot). Never would have happened if the season went on schedule. Maybe they play 3-5 game series' to get the games done sooner. Etc, etc. It will be asterisk city for whoever wins. To be fair, I don't think whoever wins the World Series this year will be viewed as legitimate either. Maybe in the record books, but winning a title in front of empty stadiums while playing in hub cities doesn't have the same luster to it. Then again, the NBA is far more ring obsessed than MLB. Jeter is known as a great player, but they never bring up how many rings he got. In the NBA, that's basically your entire legacy. So MLB can have their partial season and their fans will be happy, but in the NBA, it will be debated forever, regardless of who wins. Yea, but a legit majority of the season was played and in my eyes that's enough. You could just as easily play the what if game with injuries if the season didn't get interrupted which is why I find it an ineffective argument. The only way that argument really holds any weight is if Warriors had made the playoffs and they got their whole crew back now when someone like Klay was supposed to be gone for the season and Curry had just came back before the season got stopped. In regards to the KD/Kyrie, that's not happening. KD has been ruled out even if they play in the summer and Kyrie the same due to the shoulder surgery People are going to complain regardless but I rather see a champion crowned then a lost season. Debate the validation of the championship if people want to but everyone will come in on a "even playing field" as home court will be neutered most likely. This is a "lost season" but the rings will still count. Baseball is different. Anything under 100 games i'm probably going to look at funny but regardless of the fact you can only play what they put in front of you. Actually, they always do bring up how many rings Jeter has. Rings and Yankees are tied together as hard as it is in the NBA due to the Yankees legacy. If you come to the Yankees and as a prime player and you don't win a ring, that is held against you. The biggest difference in baseball is, all you need is one to be legit as opposed to a few which is why someone like A-Rod had much less pressure taken off him when the Yankees won |
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Post by sfvega on May 1, 2020 22:46:01 GMT -5
If the NBA has a short offseason dude’s are going to get hurt towards the end of next season. Can’t go from all out elite effort months to nothing, to playoff level, to short offseason, to regular season, especially for the guys that have been around for a while like LeBron, Actually, I'd expect LeBron to be fine because of how he deals with his body. Also, there's the years when the off-season has the Olympics and guys go from preseason to regular season to playoffs, get a little bit of time off, and then go from the Olympics and a short rest and then training camp. So plenty of guys have dealt with shorter and off/on rests. As for the legitimacy, who gives a shit? Games were played, X team won, move on. I want the playoffs, I don't give a shit about talking points after the fact. Everyone is playing under the same disadvantage whoever wins, wins. The only thing that gives it a black mark is if teams have to play without players due to the virus or if it gets shutdown altogether. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2020 22:54:54 GMT -5
If the NBA has a short offseason dude’s are going to get hurt towards the end of next season. Can’t go from all out elite effort months to nothing, to playoff level, to short offseason, to regular season, especially for the guys that have been around for a while like LeBron, Actually, I'd expect LeBron to be fine because of how he deals with his body. Also, there's the years when the off-season has the Olympics and guys go from preseason to regular season to playoffs, get a little bit of time off, and then go from the Olympics and a short rest and then training camp. So plenty of guys have dealt with shorter and off/on rests. As for the legitimacy, who gives a shit? Games were played, X team won, move on. I want the playoffs, I don't give a shit about talking points after the fact. Everyone is playing under the same disadvantage whoever wins, wins. The only thing that gives it a black mark is if teams have to play without players due to the virus or if it gets shutdown altogether. Pretty much this |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 23:20:48 GMT -5
The difference is the lockout never had interrupted play. The games didn't start until a later date, but the regular season and playoffs began and concluded without interruption. That won't be the case this year. You'll see a lot more excuses and nitpicking this year. "The 2 month shutdown disrupted (insert team's) rhythm". Or "if there was no Covid (insert old player) wouldn't have had fresh legs by the playoffs". Hell, if the season starts late enough, maybe KD/Kyrie come back (long shot). Never would have happened if the season went on schedule. Maybe they play 3-5 game series' to get the games done sooner. Etc, etc. It will be asterisk city for whoever wins. To be fair, I don't think whoever wins the World Series this year will be viewed as legitimate either. Maybe in the record books, but winning a title in front of empty stadiums while playing in hub cities doesn't have the same luster to it. Then again, the NBA is far more ring obsessed than MLB. Jeter is known as a great player, but they never bring up how many rings he got. In the NBA, that's basically your entire legacy. So MLB can have their partial season and their fans will be happy, but in the NBA, it will be debated forever, regardless of who wins. Yea, but a legit majority of the season was played and in my eyes that's enough. You could just as easily play the what if game with injuries if the season didn't get interrupted which is why I find it an ineffective argument. The only way that argument really holds any weight is if Warriors had made the playoffs and they got their whole crew back now when someone like Klay was supposed to be gone for the season and Curry had just came back before the season got stopped. In regards to the KD/Kyrie, that's not happening. KD has been ruled out even if they play in the summer and Kyrie the same due to the shoulder surgery People are going to complain regardless but I rather see a champion crowned then a lost season. Debate the validation of the championship if people want to but everyone will come in on a "even playing field" as home court will be neutered most likely. This is a "lost season" but the rings will still count. Baseball is different. Anything under 100 games i'm probably going to look at funny but regardless of the fact you can only play what they put in front of you. Actually, they always do bring up how many rings Jeter has. Rings and Yankees are tied together as hard as it is in the NBA due to the Yankees legacy. If you come to the Yankees and as a prime player and you don't win a ring, that is held against you. The biggest difference in baseball is, all you need is one to be legit as opposed to a few which is why someone like A-Rod had much less pressure taken off him when the Yankees won I want to see a champion crowned as well. I just think it's going to have a bit of an asterisk next to it. If LBJ wins it, then it will be even more magnified just because of who he is and how rings are valued in the NBA. I mean, teams win championships due to injuries (Warriors with Kyrie/Love out, Raptors with KD out, etc), but this season will be unlike anything anyone has ever seen. - They played 4+ months. - Got a 2 (?) month break where they literally were not allowed to leave their homes (if you didn't have a home gym or home bball court, you were SOL). - They will come back to play the playoffs in possibly a shortened format in front of no fans (eliminating any sort of home court advantage for higher seeded teams), and very likely in a neutral bubble city. I mean, sure it is an even playing field, but in a lot of ways it will be like rec teams playing in a park to see who the better team is. It will be fun, and I'll be grateful if it happens, but I don't see how it will possibly be seen as being the same as a title in a normal circumstance. It wouldn't be a normal circumstance, at all. As far as your Jeter point, I normally don't hear the rings argument with him. They'll mention the # of titles the Yankees have, and they'll mention Derek being a champion, but I very rarely hear the total amount of rings when referring to Jeter or any baseball player for that matter. In baseball, if you win one, then you're a champion, and the total amount is kind of irrelevant from a narrative standpoint. It seems like much more of a thing with basketball. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 2, 2020 13:39:16 GMT -5
Yea, but a legit majority of the season was played and in my eyes that's enough. You could just as easily play the what if game with injuries if the season didn't get interrupted which is why I find it an ineffective argument. The only way that argument really holds any weight is if Warriors had made the playoffs and they got their whole crew back now when someone like Klay was supposed to be gone for the season and Curry had just came back before the season got stopped. In regards to the KD/Kyrie, that's not happening. KD has been ruled out even if they play in the summer and Kyrie the same due to the shoulder surgery People are going to complain regardless but I rather see a champion crowned then a lost season. Debate the validation of the championship if people want to but everyone will come in on a "even playing field" as home court will be neutered most likely. This is a "lost season" but the rings will still count. Baseball is different. Anything under 100 games i'm probably going to look at funny but regardless of the fact you can only play what they put in front of you. Actually, they always do bring up how many rings Jeter has. Rings and Yankees are tied together as hard as it is in the NBA due to the Yankees legacy. If you come to the Yankees and as a prime player and you don't win a ring, that is held against you. The biggest difference in baseball is, all you need is one to be legit as opposed to a few which is why someone like A-Rod had much less pressure taken off him when the Yankees won I want to see a champion crowned as well. I just think it's going to have a bit of an asterisk next to it. If LBJ wins it, then it will be even more magnified just because of who he is and how rings are valued in the NBA. I mean, teams win championships due to injuries (Warriors with Kyrie/Love out, Raptors with KD out, etc), but this season will be unlike anything anyone has ever seen. - They played 4+ months. - Got a 2 (?) month break where they literally were not allowed to leave their homes (if you didn't have a home gym or home bball court, you were SOL). - They will come back to play the playoffs in possibly a shortened format in front of no fans (eliminating any sort of home court advantage for higher seeded teams), and very likely in a neutral bubble city. I mean, sure it is an even playing field, but in a lot of ways it will be like rec teams playing in a park to see who the better team is. It will be fun, and I'll be grateful if it happens, but I don't see how it will possibly be seen as being the same as a title in a normal circumstance. It wouldn't be a normal circumstance, at all. As far as your Jeter point, I normally don't hear the rings argument with him. They'll mention the # of titles the Yankees have, and they'll mention Derek being a champion, but I very rarely hear the total amount of rings when referring to Jeter or any baseball player for that matter. In baseball, if you win one, then you're a champion, and the total amount is kind of irrelevant from a narrative standpoint. It seems like much more of a thing with basketball. Rings is def much more a basketball thing but with Jeter it does get brought up with him (being a Yankee fan and all that) as their legacy is based upon rings but rings aren't a barometer for overall success like it is in basketball. Look at Mike Trout, f*** a ring, he hasn't even a playoff series yet but that hasn't hurt his greatness in the eyes of the public and the baseball fans in the know It is a slippery slope because you can't really hold baseball players under the fire due to it being a team sport but if someone like Trout doesn't even get winning seasons and some playoff runs in his career, I think it should be held against him to an extent |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 22:40:35 GMT -5
I want to see a champion crowned as well. I just think it's going to have a bit of an asterisk next to it. If LBJ wins it, then it will be even more magnified just because of who he is and how rings are valued in the NBA. I mean, teams win championships due to injuries (Warriors with Kyrie/Love out, Raptors with KD out, etc), but this season will be unlike anything anyone has ever seen. - They played 4+ months. - Got a 2 (?) month break where they literally were not allowed to leave their homes (if you didn't have a home gym or home bball court, you were SOL). - They will come back to play the playoffs in possibly a shortened format in front of no fans (eliminating any sort of home court advantage for higher seeded teams), and very likely in a neutral bubble city. I mean, sure it is an even playing field, but in a lot of ways it will be like rec teams playing in a park to see who the better team is. It will be fun, and I'll be grateful if it happens, but I don't see how it will possibly be seen as being the same as a title in a normal circumstance. It wouldn't be a normal circumstance, at all. As far as your Jeter point, I normally don't hear the rings argument with him. They'll mention the # of titles the Yankees have, and they'll mention Derek being a champion, but I very rarely hear the total amount of rings when referring to Jeter or any baseball player for that matter. In baseball, if you win one, then you're a champion, and the total amount is kind of irrelevant from a narrative standpoint. It seems like much more of a thing with basketball. Rings is def much more a basketball thing but with Jeter it does get brought up with him (being a Yankee fan and all that) as their legacy is based upon rings but rings aren't a barometer for overall success like it is in basketball. Look at Mike Trout, f*** a ring, he hasn't even a playoff series yet but that hasn't hurt his greatness in the eyes of the public and the baseball fans in the know It is a slippery slope because you can't really hold baseball players under the fire due to it being a team sport but if someone like Trout doesn't even get winning seasons and some playoff runs in his career, I think it should be held against him to an extent Yeah, in baseball it is more stat driven. Barry Bonds never won a ring but if he didn't have the steroid cloud over him, he'd be considered the GOAT in baseball. Same deal with Griffey, never won a title or even had big post season moments aside from 1995, and still considered one of the greatest. Jeter and the Yankees in general are the exception, as you said their rings are brought up all the time. But every time there is a Bonds/HOF argument, his lack of rings is rarely brought up. It's all stat based. The NBA is so different in that sense. Analytics and stats exist in basketball, but for some reason it is not taken as seriously by fans or analysts. The NBA really is a star driven, individual sport based largely off the success of Jordan. LBJ and Durant were basically willing to stunt their own reputations to leave and win championships on stacked teams. It's that important from a legacy standpoint. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 18:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by Push R Truth on May 6, 2020 19:28:42 GMT -5
If they really wanted to speed shit up, make the playoffs best of 3 until the Conference Finals and have zero days off during a series.
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Post by BRV on May 6, 2020 19:39:57 GMT -5
If they really wanted to speed shit up, make the playoffs best of 3 until the Conference Finals and have zero days off during a series. I posted this a couple of weeks ago: If I'm Adam Silver (note: I'm not) here's how I'm handling the return of the NBA. The 8-seeds and 9-seeds in both conferences were separated by at least 3.5 games when play was suspended on March 11, so apologies to the Trail Blazers and Wizards, but the season resumes in the playoffs and the teams that were the top-8 seeds in each conference. We go to Las Vegas and put up the teams in hotels on the strip and have the games played in empty arenas at the various venues in Vegas. The playoffs resume on Sunday, May 10 with the conference quarterfinals as a best two-of-three series, the conference semifinals as a best three-of-five, and the conference finals and NBA Finals a best four-of-seven. Teams only get one day off between games because there will be no travel, as everyone and everything will be centrally located in Las Vegas. If every single series goes the distance, the NBA Finals would end on Sunday, June 21. Obviously, May 1 isn't happening. But I don't see why we can't restart the season on June 1, be it in Las Vegas or Disney World, as those are the two most widely-rumored restart locations for the NBA. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 22:43:37 GMT -5
My guess is if the NBA (and MLB) come back this year it will be the first week of July or not at all. That seems to be where we are heading. Each sport will need a few weeks of “training camp” to get back in shape before starting the games again, and there are still some kinks to be worked out as far as testing, lockdowns, etc. I think by late May we will get some type of answer.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2020 23:48:16 GMT -5
My guess is if the NBA (and MLB) come back this year it will be the first week of July or not at all. That seems to be where we are heading. Each sport will need a few weeks of “training camp” to get back in shape before starting the games again, and there are still some kinks to be worked out as far as testing, lockdowns, etc. I think by late May we will get some type of answer. Word going around in MLB was they were tryiing to get started in June and have 100 game schedule |
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Post by The Captain on May 7, 2020 2:22:45 GMT -5
Disney World I think makes sense. You've got world class facilities down there at Wide World of Sports or whatever they're calling it now. And an entire resort's worth of empty luxury hotels. WDW is also its own little world compared to being in the middle of a major city like Las Vegas, so it'd be a lot easier to implement health precautions.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 8, 2020 7:20:26 GMT -5
Anyone else think Giannis might be the first guy who’s twitter got legit hacked? Damn.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2020 10:45:15 GMT -5
Anyone else think Giannis might be the first guy who’s twitter got legit hacked? Damn. Why say that? |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2020 11:25:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 23:33:29 GMT -5
Woj had a bunch of Tweets, so it would be easier to go on his Twitter than me posting all of it, but some notes:
- sounds like Orlando and Vegas are the two top location candidates for the NBA to conclude its season.
- Silver suggested "3 week minimum" training camp if play resumes.
- they don't have to decide on season return in May or early in June
- Silver still wants each series to be 7 games if possible.
- no guarantee fans will return by start of next season
If training camp is 3 weeks, then my guess is July is the absolute earliest the real season can resume. MLB apparently is planning for a early July start with 3 weeks of Spring Training, so it will probably be a similar timeline with the NBA.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2020 23:40:03 GMT -5
Woj had a bunch of Tweets, so it would be easier to go on his Twitter than me posting all of it, but some notes: - sounds like Orlando and Vegas are the two top location candidates for the NBA to conclude its season. - Silver suggested "3 week minimum" training camp if play resumes. - they don't have to decide on season return in May or early in June - Silver still wants each series to be 7 games if possible. - no guarantee fans will return by start of next season If training camp is 3 weeks, then my guess is July is the absolute earliest the real season can resume. MLB apparently is planning for a early July start with 3 weeks of Spring Training, so it will probably be a similar timeline with the NBA. 3 weeks training camp def has to mean the regular season is over |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on May 9, 2020 22:26:37 GMT -5
If NBA does a 32 team elimination tourney (which theyre not going to) it'd be the best ratings NBA would ever have. They'd have me tuned in for every game.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 10, 2020 1:34:30 GMT -5
If NBA does a 32 team elimination tourney (which theyre not going to) it'd be the best ratings NBA would ever have. They'd have me tuned in for every game. That would be trash imo Aren't enough legit good teams to where you can mark an upset and it really wouldn't get interesting until the Final 8 |
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Post by RI Richmark on May 10, 2020 13:23:20 GMT -5
Woj had a bunch of Tweets, so it would be easier to go on his Twitter than me posting all of it, but some notes: - sounds like Orlando and Vegas are the two top location candidates for the NBA to conclude its season. - Silver suggested "3 week minimum" training camp if play resumes. - they don't have to decide on season return in May or early in June - Silver still wants each series to be 7 games if possible. - no guarantee fans will return by start of next season If training camp is 3 weeks, then my guess is July is the absolute earliest the real season can resume. MLB apparently is planning for a early July start with 3 weeks of Spring Training, so it will probably be a similar timeline with the NBA. 3 weeks training camp def has to mean the regular season is over It should be. There's no reason to waste resources so the Cavs and Warriors can finish their seasons. What I'd do is take the top 10 teams in each Conference. All the teams play a week of exhibition games to knock the rust off. The 7th and 8th place teams in each conference plays the 10th and 9th place teams in a one game playoff. The first round is best of 5 still divided between Eastern and Western conferences. That way it will be easier to schedule games when thier markets can watch. After the first round reseed the remaining teams 1-8 regardless of conference. Quarterfinals are best of 5. Semifinals and Finals are best of 7. |
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