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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 17:29:30 GMT -5
Clark is the worst union rep by far. Every CBA renewal has lead to players getting screwed more and more, to the point now where MLB is making record revenues (pre-pandemic) because they basically don't have to pay the players anything.
In the last 10 years, MLB has added a cap to how much amateur talent could get in the draft. So draft picks on the whole get less money. They put a cap on international spending, so international talent get smaller signing bonuses (less money). There has been no change to pre arbitration or arbitration structure, so Aaron Judge can put up 3 MVP level seasons in a row but only made $1.85 million over those three years. He now has 3 more years of arbitration, first year being $8.5 million (still grossly underpaid), and he is set to become a free agent after his age 30 season (so from age 31 onwards), meaning he will have to hope a team pays him big money for his declining years rather than being paid fairly during his prime.
The NFL players get screwed badly, but to me MLB is the worst. They have no salary cap at all and yet still the players are screwed. They'll be screwed again if/when play resumes.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 19:20:35 GMT -5
Another rumor going around is they plan to start the playoffs with the best 16 teams and seed them accordingly Hmmm, and a 1-16 seeded playoffs would look like this: Bucks (1) vs. Magic (16) Lakers (2) vs. Nets (15) Raptors (3) vs. Grizzlies (14) Clippers (4) vs. Mavericks (13) Celtics (5) vs. Sixers (12) Nuggets (6) vs. Pacers (11) Jazz (7) vs. Rockets (10) Heat (8) vs. Thunder (9) I mean, there is no travel involved, so might as well give this a shot. East and West conferences are pretty much irrelevant if they play in a neutral court/arena. |
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 19:33:21 GMT -5
I don't know why the NBA keeps pushing for non-Conference playoffs. It's how every major NA team sport does their playoffs. It builds divisional rivalries and also, if people hate how loaded the West is now they're really gonna hate it when 3 of the last 4 teams standing are from the West. They would only tip the balance of power even further towards the West if they make it open. One of the benefits of going to the East, like Jimmy Butler has, is that it's more wide open. Just go to more super teams out West because it's all the same.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 26, 2020 19:43:15 GMT -5
I don't know why the NBA keeps pushing for non-Conference playoffs. It's how every major NA team sport does their playoffs. It's easier to build rivalry in say baseball because it's the most Parochial of sports and the rich teams will always be good due to no cap,and football certain franchises remain dumpster fires for decades. Basketball though is driven by the star's no one ouside of Chi/Cle is gonna care enough to be "rivals" with them once MJ retired/Lebron left. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 20:30:19 GMT -5
I don't know why the NBA keeps pushing for non-Conference playoffs. It's how every major NA team sport does their playoffs. It builds divisional rivalries and also, if people hate how loaded the West is now they're really gonna hate it when 3 of the last 4 teams standing are from the West. They would only tip the balance of power even further towards the West if they make it open. One of the benefits of going to the East, like Jimmy Butler has, is that it's more wide open. Just go to more super teams out West because it's all the same. The NBA model is more geared towards stars than it is about teams. Like, if the Warriors faced the Cavs today, would anyone care? LeBron, Durant, Curry, Klay, etc, made the rivalry, not the individual franchises. I honestly don't think team rivalries exist anymore. It's all about which star is going to face which star. Baseball and hockey are more regional sports, so those team rivalries will probably always be there even with roster turnover, but the NBA has placed its players above the teams they play on. The only reason we won't see non conference playoff seeding in a traditional season is because of travel. In this case there won't be any travel, so they could pull it off. If this were a normal situation, then I'd want the playoffs to be how they've always been, and I'd imagine it will go back to that in 2021 assuming fans are back by then. But without homecourt and without travel, it's an interesting concept to try for a year, IMO. Sure we might end up with a Clippers/Lakers finals instead of WCF, but that's probably what the NBA wants anyway. |
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Post by sfvega on May 26, 2020 21:59:02 GMT -5
I don't know why the NBA keeps pushing for non-Conference playoffs. It's how every major NA team sport does their playoffs. It builds divisional rivalries and also, if people hate how loaded the West is now they're really gonna hate it when 3 of the last 4 teams standing are from the West. They would only tip the balance of power even further towards the West if they make it open. One of the benefits of going to the East, like Jimmy Butler has, is that it's more wide open. Just go to more super teams out West because it's all the same. The NBA model is more geared towards stars than it is about teams. Like, if the Warriors faced the Cavs today, would anyone care? LeBron, Durant, Curry, Klay, etc, made the rivalry, not the individual franchises. I honestly don't think team rivalries exist anymore. It's all about which star is going to face which star. Baseball and hockey are more regional sports, so those team rivalries will probably always be there even with roster turnover, but the NBA has placed its players above the teams they play on. The only reason we won't see non conference playoff seeding in a traditional season is because of travel. In this case there won't be any travel, so they could pull it off. If this were a normal situation, then I'd want the playoffs to be how they've always been, and I'd imagine it will go back to that in 2021 assuming fans are back by then. But without homecourt and without travel, it's an interesting concept to try for a year, IMO. Sure we might end up with a Clippers/Lakers finals instead of WCF, but that's probably what the NBA wants anyway. I agree that it is very player oriented. But at the same time, teams like Miami and Philly have developed a rivalry which is great in the East/West format and likely a non-started in a flat 16-team playoff. There's no real precedence in it for NA sports. Maybe NCAAF, but even then it's a very limiter playoff. Even March Madness has guaranteed spots in order to not make an entire conference (or in the NBA's case division) completely irrelevant. I just feel like once they open this door that they've been rumored to wanting to do, that it won't just go back to how it was. That this would be a first step towards this being the system they use, even if they go back to the old system next season because now every time the issue is argued in the future, there's a precedent for it now. I just think the East is the redheaded stepchild rn, and that disparity is only going to be made worse with this system. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 26, 2020 22:20:52 GMT -5
I don't know why the NBA keeps pushing for non-Conference playoffs. It's how every major NA team sport does their playoffs. It builds divisional rivalries and also, if people hate how loaded the West is now they're really gonna hate it when 3 of the last 4 teams standing are from the West. They would only tip the balance of power even further towards the West if they make it open. One of the benefits of going to the East, like Jimmy Butler has, is that it's more wide open. Just go to more super teams out West because it's all the same. The non conference makes sense here but yeah I hate when it’s brought up every year. This isn’t NCAA. You sell the playoffs on rivalries as majority of the time you will get matchups for teams that faced 4 times this year and now you u have a 7 game matchup. The players drive the rivalry as much as the teams. If somehow Cavs and wizards got good again you can always revisit that past but wiz and pelicans have no history so seeing them match up in the playoffs it would be weird. For as much as people complain about West being dominant or East being weak. I hope they realize that wouldn’t change in the playoffs. In fact it would be worse if they combined the conferences |
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Post by Rican on May 27, 2020 9:48:26 GMT -5
I am not on board with moving to a top 16 team regardless of conference model, but in this theoretical post season where the home court won't matter anyway is fine with me. linkThis article from The Ringer is really good. Silver and the owners are meeting Friday and there could be a vote next week about what the rest of the season could look like. That article talks a lot about one of the proposals: a 20 team group stage similar to the world cup. The 16 current playoff seeded teams would get in, plus the next 4 teams with the best W/L record: Pelicans, Blazers, Spurs and Kings. The teams would be assigned tiers and grouped accordingly to maintain competitive balance. For example the Lakers and Bucks would be tier 1 but the Spurs and Kings would be tier 5. I kind of like it but think it has it's problems. Then again anything they do is gonna have problems. But I think it's interesting. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 27, 2020 10:09:06 GMT -5
I am not on board with moving to a top 16 team regardless of conference model, but in this theoretical post season where the home court won't matter anyway is fine with me. linkThis article from The Ringer is really good. Silver and the owners are meeting Friday and there could be a vote next week about what the rest of the season could look like. That article talks a lot about one of the proposals: a 20 team group stage similar to the world cup. The 16 current playoff seeded teams would get in, plus the next 4 teams with the best W/L record: Pelicans, Blazers, Spurs and Kings. The teams would be assigned tiers and grouped accordingly to maintain competitive balance. For example the Lakers and Bucks would be tier 1 but the Spurs and Kings would be tier 5. I kind of like it but think it has it's problems. Then again anything they do is gonna have problems. But I think it's interesting. The regular playoffs isn't broken, they need to just do it that way and play it straight Tho I fear they will follow the NHL route |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 15:32:14 GMT -5
If the top 16 playoff format is implemented, then the most likely conference finals matchups (or final four) would be Clippers/Bucks and Lakers/Raptors. That’s assuming there is no upset. Is that really any different than what the ECF/WCF would have been? Just the matchups are swapped.
In basketball, the best teams usually win. Even in a 16 team format it will ring true. Obviously the Celtics would have a better chance of beating the Raptors than the Clippers, but they likely don’t beat any of the top 3 teams regardless (Bucks, Lakers, Clippers).
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Post by Push R Truth on May 27, 2020 16:29:45 GMT -5
My evil wish would be Silver saying "All NBA Teams will make the playoffs this year, except the Knicks."
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Post by MrElijah on May 27, 2020 18:39:10 GMT -5
The only thing the NBA needs to do to revamp the playoffs is, Keep the Conferences, shorten the 1st Round and reseed after the 1st like the NHL. Or go back to 2 Division each conference.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2020 8:21:54 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on May 28, 2020 9:14:10 GMT -5
I still think the NHL's plan is a nice compromise, but if not just go with the top 8 in each conference. There's no reason to risk people's health and waste resources putting on any game with Knicks, Warriors, Wizards, etc. Let them stay at home, and put on games that actually matter if you're gonna risk people's health. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 11:48:28 GMT -5
Apparently teams have to play at least 70 regular season games for local TV revenue deals to kick in, so there is a financial incentive for the players to finish at least a handful of regular season games, even if there are meaningless. Dame is obviously in a different tax bracket, but in a salary cap league stuff like this matters. I do like the idea of a play-in tournament but only for the teams in the West that are within 3 games of the last playoff spot. Dame, Zion, and Ja playing in high leverage play in’s would be highly dramatic and fun. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2020 12:25:50 GMT -5
Apparently teams have to play at least 70 regular season games for local TV revenue deals to kick in, so there is a financial incentive for the players to finish at least a handful of regular season games, even if there are meaningless. Dame is obviously in a different tax bracket, but in a salary cap league stuff like this matters. I do like the idea of a play-in tournament but only for the teams in the West that are within 3 games of the last playoff spot. Dame, Zion, and Ja playing in high leverage play in’s would be highly dramatic and fun. NBA and NBPA have already agreed on a price cut if no more games were played this season. In fact, Blake Griffin, LeBron and Curry got paid in full and will have to pay money back next year |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 28, 2020 12:28:28 GMT -5
I still think the NHL's plan is a nice compromise, but if not just go with the top 8 in each conference. There's no reason to risk people's health and waste resources putting on any game with Knicks, Warriors, Wizards, etc. Let them stay at home, and put on games that actually matter if you're gonna risk people's health. Even with the NHL i'm not crazy about it but it is a compromise NBA don't need to redo the wheel though. Just do regular playoffs because if you extend it to let's say 24, these are going to have to be 3 game playoffs. Just let the teams prepare for the draft and do the regular playoffs since this is going to be an expedited offseason anyway |
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Post by Rican on May 29, 2020 14:35:10 GMT -5
NBA targeting a July 31 return to play, per Shams.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 30, 2020 6:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on May 30, 2020 8:51:04 GMT -5
Sacramento makes the playoffs! Kinda. Who needs Luka?
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