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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 19:23:18 GMT -5
I think it's time for me to take another long break from WWE. I have no need for a company that actively craps on their fans at every possible opportunity.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 25, 2019 19:26:08 GMT -5
The Seth/Ospreay stuff is just two guys I don't like pissing on each other's leg, but these comments are far lamer considering Mox seemed pretty transparent about suffering through harsh depression in WWE.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jun 25, 2019 19:33:58 GMT -5
Tyler Black is truly dead. Because I never thought I'd see the day when that man would become a corporate ass-kisser.
There were a dozen different ways Seth could have said what he did and not come off like a douche.
Just off the top of my head ...
"I love Ambrose. He will always be my brother. He left because he felt he couldn't do what he needed to do within the WWE. Now I wish him all the luck in the world where ever he goes and in whatever he does. Now there's a lot that I want to do myself. And the only way I can do those things is in the WWE."
See. Same message, but not being a dick about it.
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 25, 2019 19:34:43 GMT -5
But is he talking about Homer, Ozzie and the Straw?
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Post by Venti on Jun 25, 2019 19:42:06 GMT -5
I like Rollins defending his fellow WWE wrestlers and trying to be a company guy, but the comments for Moxley are a little uncalled for. Like, I'm not even saying that as a huge fan of Jon, because if the roles were reversed and Moxley said that about his friend, I'd still be like "well that's kinda dickish"
Granted, like I said in the other thread, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean anything harmful and probably didn't think before he said all of that. I haven't listened to it so I haven't heard his tone, but I think we've all been there where we said something kinda regrettable without thinking.
Having said that, to me "taking his ball" is something like walking out. Mox did the professional thing by giving notice and waiting for his contract to expire. Didn't even say one bad thing while under contract. That's the comment that kinda annoys me the most.
But it's whatever, I don't know these guys or what their friendship is like in real life, but sometimes in public interview, if you don't have something nice to say, it might be best not to say it.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Jun 25, 2019 20:29:52 GMT -5
I guarantee you Moxley expressed his frustration with the company, with Seth, long before he left. They were buds and riding partners. Lots of hours talking in cars and hotels.
As champ, Seth needs to make the company he represents look good. And Seth is in a good spot right now.
Moxley was champ, I'm sure he understands.
Positive there are not going to be hard feelings between these dudes.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jun 25, 2019 20:49:36 GMT -5
I guarantee you Moxley expressed his frustration with the company, with Seth, long before he left. They were buds and riding partners. Lots of hours talking in cars and hotels. As champ, Seth needs to make the company he represents look good. And Seth is in a good spot right now. Moxley was champ, I'm sure he understands. Positive there are not going to be hard feelings between these dudes. Depends on whether or not he keeps railing into Mox's decision after this. He is essentially waving off his supposed friend's comments as nothing more than "not being able to handle the emotional or physical demands of the WWE schedule." Meanwhile, his defense against anyone being better than he is at his job (per his own tweet) by asking them to compare bank accounts, essentially dismissing their claims because he makes more doing his job. He has completely sold out to his company, and I'm afraid with the encouragement from the office will not hesitate to continue "burning it down"...his relationships with straying fans and former peers who feel slighted by the company they felt the need to depart from. It's his prerogative on how to comment on the situation, but you'd be foolish to think he isn't going to lose a fair amount of fans as a result of his verbage.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 25, 2019 20:55:23 GMT -5
Tyler Black is truly dead. Because I never thought I'd see the day when that man would become a corporate ass-kisser. There were a dozen different ways Seth could have said what he did and not come off like a douche. Just off the top of my head ... "I love Ambrose. He will always be my brother. He left because he felt he couldn't do what he needed to do within the WWE. Now I wish him all the luck in the world where ever he goes and in whatever he does. Now there's a lot that I want to do myself. And the only way I can do those things is in the WWE." See. Same message, but not being a dick about it. He could just say "I think WWE is where the best wrestlers are and I want to be the best of the best" and it would have been better
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Post by Starshine on Jun 25, 2019 20:59:02 GMT -5
Whatever his personal relationship with Moxley, the public optics of this is generally awful.
He either looks like an insincere and shameless corporate brown-noser at best, or a two-faced asshole throwing his friend under the bus who did nothing wrong.
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Post by BRV on Jun 25, 2019 21:11:05 GMT -5
I guess I’m the one person who likes that WWE is fighting back. For the last few months, WWE as a company has been taking arrows fired at them from every direction, including late-night television shows, podcasts, social media, and upstart wrestling companies. And for the past few months, they’ve stood there and taken it. But I like that they’re finally firing back, reminding everyone out there that if you come at the king, you best not miss.
People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction?
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Post by Starshine on Jun 25, 2019 21:19:16 GMT -5
I guess I’m the one person who likes that WWE is fighting back. For the last few months, WWE as a company has been taking arrows fired at them from every direction, including late-night television shows, podcasts, social media, and upstart wrestling companies. And for the past few months, they’ve stood there and taken it. But I like that they’re finally firing back, reminding everyone out there that if you come at the king, you best not miss. People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction? Compare how John Cena has spoken when addressing similar questions, and then look at what Rollins said. There's a very big difference in how each response frames the situation. John would typically be very diplomatic, praising guys for their hard work and wishing them all the best, before redirecting the response back to his dedication to working for WWE and painting the company in a positive light. Apart from that one interview about the Rock becoming Hollywood, you didn't hear him say anything negative about anyone. Whether intentional or not, Rollins isn't defending so much as deflecting the attack towards Moxley. You never hear anyone say someone "took their ball and went home" in the positive sense. Especially when everyone remembers the original context that phrase was uttered in on WWE TV back in '02. None of this is impressive. They come off as completely insecure and scared of criticism. Criticism, mind you, that they've completely earned.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2019 21:32:54 GMT -5
I guess I’m the one person who likes that WWE is fighting back. For the last few months, WWE as a company has been taking arrows fired at them from every direction, including late-night television shows, podcasts, social media, and upstart wrestling companies. And for the past few months, they’ve stood there and taken it. But I like that they’re finally firing back, reminding everyone out there that if you come at the king, you best not miss. People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction? Nah man don't give WWE Omar's line, they're not good enough for Omar's line and also them "firing back" is lame as f***. They're not actually doing anything here, it's their world champion bitching about fans not liking their show and bitching about wrestlers making their way outside of WWE. Comebacks are supposed to actually feel like there's something being won, nobody's winning in this situation right now. They're taking arrows because their product sucks, their ratings are in the toilet, and they're taking blood money to run insanely bad-idea shows after everyone the hell else bailed. They're not addressing any of those issues or making something of them, they're just going "Nuh uh". It's not the king shooting from the hip it's a pathetic slapfight. Calling Will Ospreay little man and going on about Moxley's big boy pants isn't uplifting WWE or making them look like the good guy, it's just the next part in the saga of the out of touch empty bullshit that sees WWE and the people who work for it ignore the actual things people are unhappy about to instead act like somehow WWE is the poor, downtrodden underdog against the world. People chanted AEW over his match and now they have to know he doesn't care because he's great and the best and they're just losers. It's sad.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jun 25, 2019 22:04:59 GMT -5
People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction? Sure, he's entitled to defend it from complaints. What he's not entitled to is publicly trashing every other non-WWE talent for "not being able to cut it in the big leagues" and former coworkers because they were "unable to handle the stress and didn't earn their right to have creative freedom," like it's some sort of privilege to build an image or something. It doesn't have to be that way, but he chose to go on the offensive like that and it's going to damage his image. In closing, I'll just leave this here...
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2019 22:11:11 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is the only brave man in this world for shitting all over his friend developing depression over how badly he handled working for WWE and anyone who thinks otherwise is a coward
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Post by Starshine on Jun 25, 2019 22:15:07 GMT -5
People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction? Sure, he's entitled to defend it from complaints. What he's not entitled to is publicly trashing every other non-WWE talent for "not being able to cut it in the big leagues" and former coworkers because they were "unable to handle the stress and didn't earn their right to have creative freedom," like it's some sort of privilege to build an image or something. It doesn't have to be that way, but he chose to go on the offensive like that and it's going to damage his image. In closing, I'll just leave this here... Goddamn, there is a very special 'L' someone takes when they lose a maturity contest to Will Opsreay of all people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 22:21:36 GMT -5
They could create another Savage and Elizabeth to lead the promotion in terms of fan popularity, maybe even better than Savage and Elizabeth (since Becky is a wrestler and Liz never was). But he needs to stop going on social media and doing interviews criticizing other people in wrestling for fans to universally like them and for that to really happen.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 25, 2019 22:41:23 GMT -5
I guess I’m the one person who likes that WWE is fighting back. For the last few months, WWE as a company has been taking arrows fired at them from every direction, including late-night television shows, podcasts, social media, and upstart wrestling companies. And for the past few months, they’ve stood there and taken it. But I like that they’re finally firing back, reminding everyone out there that if you come at the king, you best not miss. People are castigating Seth Rollins as this corporate shill, a brown-nosing kiss-ass yes man. But for one second has anyone stopped to think that maybe he’s just somebody who likes where he works and is willing to defend it? This company has made him successful and wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and gives him the stage to do what he clearly enjoys doing in front of millions of people every week. If he likes the company, which I presume he does, shouldn’t he be entitled to defend it from all the complaints and criticisms being fired in every direction?
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jun 25, 2019 23:25:19 GMT -5
I’m not gonna say this is a work, but Seth did say it wasn’t the last of him vs moxley, I’m sure Seth might be thinking of a future program. Remember when Cena was talking shit about the Rock in 2008? A future Moxley/Black fued would be HUGE, no matter what promotion
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Post by Dub H on Jun 25, 2019 23:30:03 GMT -5
I’m not gonna say this is a work, but Seth did say it wasn’t the last of him vs moxley, I’m sure Seth might be thinking of a future program. Remember when Cena was talking shit about the Rock in 2008? A future Moxley/Black fued would be HUGE, no matter what promotion After what he said Rollins woukd get so much shit for leaving WWE
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jun 25, 2019 23:32:55 GMT -5
I’m not gonna say this is a work, but Seth did say it wasn’t the last of him vs moxley, I’m sure Seth might be thinking of a future program. Remember when Cena was talking shit about the Rock in 2008? A future Moxley/Black fued would be HUGE, no matter what promotion Honestly, Seth's probably thinking Mox will eventually come crawling back to WWE, since it's apparently the ONLY wrestling that matters. /s Also, if it's not a work, I have to wonder if Mox isn't just looking at his phone screen going "Dude, WTF? I thought we were cool, then you pull this on me?" Probably makes leaving look like a better and better option.
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