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Post by bog on Jun 27, 2019 11:31:33 GMT -5
I feel like he's trying to do the Becky thing of doing SAVAGE TAKES on his Twitter or whatever. Problem is: 1. Becky was against "the authority" the whole time, and 2. people were getting tired of the Becky thing by the time Ronda came around calling everyone jabroni marks
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Post by realist on Jun 27, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -5
I mean he did take his ball and went home and they treated him like royalty on the way out. It’s always cool to have people shit on the wwe and Vince in general and that’s all heroic. But if someone defends they are automatically douchebags. My work depresses me when I leave I’m not going to trash my boss on Facebook because I’m not the president of his company. How did take his ball and go home? By fulfilling his contracrual obligations and putting over talent in his last months? You are not getting it!! Unless you swallow all the shit that Vince McMahon gives you with a big ol' smile on your face, then you are not only the problem but also a big meanie as well!! It really can't get any clearer.
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Post by Matt on Jun 27, 2019 11:38:03 GMT -5
How did take his ball and go home? By fulfilling his contracrual obligations and putting over talent in his last months? You are not getting it!! Unless you swallow all the shit that Vince McMahon gives you with a big ol' smile on your face, then you are not only the problem but also a big meanie as well!! It really can't get any clearer. Close! If you aren’t champion or don’t get to use barbed wire on Lesnar then you mope and have crappy matches that put nobody over and then you blame Vince because you’re sad and Vince is the devil for not letting you do what you want.
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Post by realist on Jun 27, 2019 11:47:20 GMT -5
You are not getting it!! Unless you swallow all the shit that Vince McMahon gives you with a big ol' smile on your face, then you are not only the problem but also a big meanie as well!! It really can't get any clearer. Close! If you aren’t champion or don’t get to use barbed wire on Lesnar then you mope and have crappy matches that put nobody over and then you blame Vince because you’re sad and Vince is the devil for not letting you do what you want. What about if you come back from an injury where you almost die in the best shape of your life and they do nothing with you? What about if they ask you to say disgusting things about your best friend's very real cancer diagnosis? Are those gray areas?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 27, 2019 11:47:30 GMT -5
You are not getting it!! Unless you swallow all the shit that Vince McMahon gives you with a big ol' smile on your face, then you are not only the problem but also a big meanie as well!! It really can't get any clearer. Close! If you aren’t champion or don’t get to use barbed wire on Lesnar then you mope and have crappy matches that put nobody over and then you blame Vince because you’re sad and Vince is the devil for not letting you do what you want. Find a better way to talk to other posters or stop posting in this thread. One or the other.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jun 27, 2019 12:23:12 GMT -5
It really makes you appreciate how well spoken Cena was. Cena would have just been all "yeah, he wanted to move on to other things and that sucks, I think WWE is the best wrestling and the best talent and we're awesome, and I hope he comes back one day." Meanwhile Seth is trying to live the burn it down life, I guess. “I wish them nothing but the best: But my attention is here, at the grandest stage of them all, the WWE. Where we strive to entertain you whether you’re a young or a longtime fan”. You can hear the words pouring out of Cena. The man reeks of a savvy, intelligent, focused, calculated spokesman. He always did. The Benoit ish was trial by fire. And now..well. Here, we are. But I guess, who else is it supposed to be? Roman’s Roman. AJ and DB are over it. It’s just..Seth sucks at it man. He really, really does. See? That's a perfectly fine statement right there. You can defend your company without having to take digs at your buddy for wanting something different than what he was currently getting. And a buddy who fulfilled his obligations and decided not to renew his contract due to creative differences. That's not 'taking your ball and going home.' 'Taking your ball and going home' is more like if you were currently under contract and still had dates to fulfill and just decided that you didn't want to do it and just went home.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 27, 2019 13:28:36 GMT -5
You are not getting it!! Unless you swallow all the shit that Vince McMahon gives you with a big ol' smile on your face, then you are not only the problem but also a big meanie as well!! It really can't get any clearer. Close! If you aren’t champion or don’t get to use barbed wire on Lesnar then you mope and have crappy matches that put nobody over and then you blame Vince because you’re sad and Vince is the devil for not letting you do what you want. I don't know how much you listened to what he said, but I don't recall hearing anything about "I should have been champion during (X time) and I wasn't" in any of it. He had complaints about the way the creative process worked, how exhausting it was, how Vince made him do dumb shit that he still poured everything into as a performer despite hating it, how he was constantly in a frustrating back and forth struggle with VInce over the scripts and no amount of performance or results could get him any leeway to say that he didn't want to get ass injections. It doesn't matter if WWE put his farewell house show on the Network to placate the fans and make him think he got a good send-off, they gave him 500 bucks as a final "f*** you" for the sin of fulfilling his contractual obligations. That's some weird nightmare circus nonsense. What exactly is the purpose or good in defending the fragile feelings of a billionaire who stiffs someone who worked hard for him and always put his all in even when he f***ing hated it, and who now is giving marching orders to one of the ex-worker's friends to go shit talk him to Sports Illustrated? How is this an environment worth sticking up for over just like, a human being who suffered depression and shit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 13:40:50 GMT -5
What exactly is the purpose or good in defending the fragile feelings of a billionaire who stiffs someone who worked hard for him and always put his all in even when he f***ing hated it, and who now is giving marching orders to one of the ex-worker's friends to go shit talk him to Sports Illustrated? How is this an environment worth sticking up for over just like, a human being who suffered depression and shit? Tbh... If Meltzer's comments are correct then it's just Vince using Rollins as a puppet. If anyone knows how that is then it's Ambrose given Ambrose had to say that Roman cancer stuff. Yeah it sucks but there's a difference between people saying what they mean and them being puppets. Goes back to my comment earlier about how people always blame the wrestlers rather than those who give them orders. This is really no different. Moxley will probably make a comment and say something like "I've been there before" or at least he should whenever he gets a chance. Vince just has guys do his bidding. It makes you wonder what would happen if said guy doesn't do what he wants. We always read the reports about what he tells them to do but if they do something different? Well, who knows.
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Post by realist on Jun 27, 2019 13:48:47 GMT -5
As I expected, here's what Meltzer said on WOR about this thing It's like I've been saying since this came out, it's clearly a "Rock buries Austin" type of thing. That's Vinny Mac not Colby Lopez. It also explains how Rollins went from "I'm excited for whatever he does next even though my heart's broken now, you'll see us together again" to what he said here. The thing is people didn't look at it that way and only looked at it on a surface level. That's just classic Vince stuff. Let's take dibs on what Roman Reigns' scripted line will be: "You may have been able to run Dean out of town, but you won't run me off!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 13:51:55 GMT -5
As I expected, here's what Meltzer said on WOR about this thing It's like I've been saying since this came out, it's clearly a "Rock buries Austin" type of thing. That's Vinny Mac not Colby Lopez. It also explains how Rollins went from "I'm excited for whatever he does next even though my heart's broken now, you'll see us together again" to what he said here. The thing is people didn't look at it that way and only looked at it on a surface level. That's just classic Vince stuff. Let's take dibs on what Roman Reigns' scripted line will be: "You may have been able to run Dean out of town, but you won't run me off!!" Either that or "When the chips are down, I don't go DOUBLE OR NOTHING, I don't go ALL OUT, I just stay loyal!!!" We're probably gonna get more of this stuff.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 27, 2019 13:52:55 GMT -5
What exactly is the purpose or good in defending the fragile feelings of a billionaire who stiffs someone who worked hard for him and always put his all in even when he f***ing hated it, and who now is giving marching orders to one of the ex-worker's friends to go shit talk him to Sports Illustrated? How is this an environment worth sticking up for over just like, a human being who suffered depression and shit? Tbh... If Meltzer's comments are correct then it's just Vince using Rollins as a puppet. If anyone knows how that is then it's Ambrose given Ambrose had to say that Roman cancer stuff. Yeah it sucks but there's a difference between people saying what they mean and them being puppets. Goes back to my comment earlier about how people always blame the wrestlers rather than those who give them orders. This is really no different. Moxley will probably make a comment and say something like "I've been there before" or at least he should whenever he gets a chance. Vince just has guys do his bidding. It makes you wonder what would happen if said guy doesn't do what he wants. We always read the reports about what he tells them to do but if they do something different? Well, who knows. Yeah that's why I mentioned marching orders; if your ex-boss sticks his hand up your friend's ass and makes him start yapping about how you're a shitty quitter who couldn't handle the stress of the schedule and high level performance on that schedule, that's a shitty boss and even more reason to both stand up against that when you're out, and not to stand up for that as someone on the outside.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 13:59:54 GMT -5
Tbh... If Meltzer's comments are correct then it's just Vince using Rollins as a puppet. If anyone knows how that is then it's Ambrose given Ambrose had to say that Roman cancer stuff. Yeah it sucks but there's a difference between people saying what they mean and them being puppets. Goes back to my comment earlier about how people always blame the wrestlers rather than those who give them orders. This is really no different. Moxley will probably make a comment and say something like "I've been there before" or at least he should whenever he gets a chance. Vince just has guys do his bidding. It makes you wonder what would happen if said guy doesn't do what he wants. We always read the reports about what he tells them to do but if they do something different? Well, who knows. Yeah that's why I mentioned marching orders; if your ex-boss sticks his hand up your friend's ass and makes him start yapping about how you're a shitty quitter who couldn't handle the stress of the schedule and high level performance on that schedule, that's a shitty boss and even more reason to both stand up against that when you're out, and not to stand up for that as someone on the outside. Yeah and we're probably going to get more of this. Just goes to show you who Vince is. Not just this but a lot of stuff that we talk about (that's controversial) involves superstars just "doing their job" and at the end of the day it goes back to one man. Like he really thought that 500 dollars thing would affect Moxley and it didn't so now this stuff comes up. Watch someone else use Dirty Deeds and see someone kick out at 1.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 27, 2019 14:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah that's why I mentioned marching orders; if your ex-boss sticks his hand up your friend's ass and makes him start yapping about how you're a shitty quitter who couldn't handle the stress of the schedule and high level performance on that schedule, that's a shitty boss and even more reason to both stand up against that when you're out, and not to stand up for that as someone on the outside. Yeah and we're probably going to get more of this. Just goes to show you who Vince is. Not just this but a lot of stuff that we talk about (that's controversial) involves superstars just "doing their job" and at the end of the day it goes back to one man. Like he really thought that 500 dollars thing would affect Moxley and it didn't so now this stuff comes up. Watch someone else use Dirty Deeds and see someone kick out at 1. It's going to hasten a lot of unhappy people right out the door, I think. No way this sort of nonsense leaves anyone feeling good about their jobs or like they should keep doing them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is somehow both to raise morale and to scare people off from leaving lest their close friends bury them in Sports Illustrated too. Vince is playing a venomous game here and it's going to bite him in the ass, because he can't just leave well enough alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 14:16:40 GMT -5
Yeah and we're probably going to get more of this. Just goes to show you who Vince is. Not just this but a lot of stuff that we talk about (that's controversial) involves superstars just "doing their job" and at the end of the day it goes back to one man. Like he really thought that 500 dollars thing would affect Moxley and it didn't so now this stuff comes up. Watch someone else use Dirty Deeds and see someone kick out at 1. It's going to hasten a lot of unhappy people right out the door, I think. No way this sort of nonsense leaves anyone feeling good about their jobs or like they should keep doing them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is somehow both to raise morale and to scare people off from leaving lest their close friends bury them in Sports Illustrated too. Vince is playing a venomous game here and it's going to bite him in the ass, because he can't just leave well enough alone. 100%. This only leads to more unhappy wrestlers say you're a lower card guy. If you see Seth doing this you think "wow so I gotta do that too when I get in that spot?" or do you think "I can't wait to get there" instead? It's no good because regardless Moxley worked harder than anyone for years, he had the most matches for years, did anything you expected him to do, he did it all. He fulfilled his obligations and at the end of it all he left under his own terms. And he's still shat on. I mean if he's treated this way then no one else is safe. Look at Cena. The guy had his entire moveset buried in one match after all he did.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 27, 2019 14:21:07 GMT -5
It's going to hasten a lot of unhappy people right out the door, I think. No way this sort of nonsense leaves anyone feeling good about their jobs or like they should keep doing them. I wouldn't be surprised if this is somehow both to raise morale and to scare people off from leaving lest their close friends bury them in Sports Illustrated too. Vince is playing a venomous game here and it's going to bite him in the ass, because he can't just leave well enough alone. 100%. This only leads to more unhappy wrestlers say you're a lower card guy. If you see Seth doing this you think "wow so I gotta do that too when I get in that spot?" or do you think "I can't wait to get there" instead? It's no good because regardless Moxley worked harder than anyone for years, he had the most matches for years, did anything you expected him to do, he did it all. He fulfilled his obligations and at the end of it all he left under his own terms. And he's still shat on. I mean if he's treated this way then no one else is safe. Look at Cena. The guy had his entire moveset buried in one match after all he did. When Roman got wellnessed, Mox worked both house show circuits as champion to try and pick up the slack. He dropped everything to give the company whatever they wanted. It didn't mean shit. Loyalty stops meaning anything to Vince in the space between you leaving and any chance of you coming back in the fold.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2019 23:33:19 GMT -5
That last point is vital: that any amount of "loyalty" or whatever someone shows is worth nothing if there ever comes a time when they leave or otherwise dip out. Mox did both house show circuits to keep up business? Nope, screw that guy, he left and isn't going to make us money anymore. Bret Hart was just about the most loyal soldier you had, and was largely looked up to in your non-Kliq portion of the locker room? Nah, screw job time. Austin "took his ball", Punk as a "quieter", on and on and on and on and on about these guys who ground their bodies down to keep business going for a company demanding 300+ dates a year sometimes.
And then they'll have the audacity to say "These wrestlers let you, the fans, down!" Piss off with that. It's why no matter how bad people like Warrior might've been on a number of other fronts, or how "lazy" someone like Nash gets accused of being, end of the day, they didn't owe Vince one @#$%ing thing. It's admirable when wrestlers want to make the fans happy; but when some of them up and say "wait a minute, the fans are fine, but YOU don't get to use me like this", I'm fine with them exercising their leverage to do something about their situation vis a vis management, and am not about to buy into the whole routine the company often pulls on guys who do that to make the wrestlers look ungrateful and the company look like it's just sticking up for the fans. Out of here with that nonsense.
That's not a matter of singling out Vince or WWE, by the by; any company that pulls stuff like that on its workers, just particularly workers who are expected to behave like employees but without most of the benefits thereof, deserves a callout like that, and I wouldn't expect any large company, unfortunately, to behave much differently.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 27, 2019 23:40:40 GMT -5
The vindictiveness that Vince McMahon displays is what makes me surprised he hasn't tried to humiliate Renee in order to "stick it" to Jon.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jun 28, 2019 1:02:54 GMT -5
The vindictiveness that Vince McMahon displays is what makes me surprised he hasn't tried to humiliate Renee in order to "stick it" to Jon. There’s still time.
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EyeofTyr
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jun 28, 2019 1:10:13 GMT -5
Yeah, he's still the same Tyler Black that used to crow similar crap about whatever promotion he was in before he even got signed.
Dude's a tool and a real life version of Dolph Ziggler's character.
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Post by King Boo on Jun 28, 2019 1:47:40 GMT -5
Yeah that's why I mentioned marching orders; if your ex-boss sticks his hand up your friend's ass and makes him start yapping about how you're a shitty quitter who couldn't handle the stress of the schedule and high level performance on that schedule, that's a shitty boss and even more reason to both stand up against that when you're out, and not to stand up for that as someone on the outside. Yeah and we're probably going to get more of this. Just goes to show you who Vince is. Not just this but a lot of stuff that we talk about (that's controversial) involves superstars just "doing their job" and at the end of the day it goes back to one man. Like he really thought that 500 dollars thing would affect Moxley and it didn't so now this stuff comes up. Watch someone else use Dirty Deeds and see someone kick out at 1. He thought the guy who made it abundantly clear that money wasn't a motivating factor in his decision making would be affected by a petty $500 payday. I just. The logic.
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