Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Jun 26, 2019 9:54:55 GMT -5
No it wasn't... on multiple counts... for one his promos WERE boring and angry... Wait wait wait wait, you’re wrong Plat. Jinder was such a good Heel, he drove hundreds of thousands of viewers away single handedly! ...what do you mean “that isn’t what a good heel does”? It is crazy to think Jinder was veru harmful to SD Live and yet he gets resigned for 5 years. .When thinking from a business perspective at least,it is like rewarding for doing a bad job.
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Post by eJm on Jun 26, 2019 10:04:20 GMT -5
Wait wait wait wait, you’re wrong Plat. Jinder was such a good Heel, he drove hundreds of thousands of viewers away single handedly! ...what do you mean “that isn’t what a good heel does”? It is crazy to think Jinder was veru harmful to SD Live and yet he gets resigned for 5 years. .When thinking from a business perspective at least,it is like rewarding for doing a bad job. I still think Jinder got a real bum deal from all that. Like, I get the idea but you can very easily do a much slower build to him winning if you wanted to and get him hated by people if you gave him the time to get used to having longer matches and building a character. The only good thing WWE got from that is him being mentioned in Canadian Parliament. You know, the country Jinder's from and they actually didn't want him talked about in. I'm still not over Stephanie basically throwing him under the bus after India didn't take to him like they wanted him to. Like, take some responsibility for it, Christ.
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 26, 2019 10:28:15 GMT -5
The heels to which we've been subjected these last few months are, almost to a person, the least effective heels at their jobs in the thirty-four years I've been following WWF/E. They have utterly failed to make me care about the babyfaces that oppose them one iota, and their utter dominance and their failure to endure comeuppance is killing WWE from a creative standpoint and a business one.
As much as I may sound like I'm beating a dead horse here, the _last_ time we got any satisfaction from a feud, even when the dynamic seemed to favour the heel, was during the Balor/Wyatt feud. Maybe it was Finn's charisma that carried his bubbly little tuchus through that despite the garbage creative was throwing at him, or the underlying narrative that was drawing a lot of us in, but I for one genuinely cared about the outcome and was deflated when it was cut off so abruptly (though some might say it was a mercy killing given the ridiculous image of Bray cross-dressing as Sister Abigail.)
We have reached the point, in general, at which we probably wouldn't know what to do with ourselves if AEW were to provide us with a more balanced face/heel dynamic. WWE needs its faces not to look like chumps and its heels not to be so overdominant. Yes, I get it that heels, on paper, are supposed to be more interesting. The issue I have is that WWE has lost all sense that, in the battle of good vs. evil, the fans go home happiest when good triumphs. When the news headlines are screaming nothing but evil triumphing on the world stage, it becomes more important than ever for even small victories for good to come through. When they don't, the temptation becomes too great simply to walk away.
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Bang Bang Bart
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 26, 2019 11:32:55 GMT -5
The only main roster heels I care about are Daniel Bryan and Bray Wyatt — and the latter hasn’t even actually wrestled yet.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jun 26, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
All the same with the same motivations.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Jun 26, 2019 13:34:31 GMT -5
Corbin hasn't been as bad as Jinder since they have yet to give him a 6 month title run. Once they tap into that restaurant server demo though Corbin will be raking in the dough for WWE. The bigger problem is that heels have no heat, regardless of how similar they are. If you have similar heels but they all draw money then you're solid. That said, consider the late 1984/early 1985 Akbar's Army that I have been watching on Mid-South: --Ted Dibiase. Ring leader of the group, best wrestler of the bunch, can go for either the top singles title or partner with someone. --Hercules Hernandez. The muscle of the group, teams with Dibiase, does singles, and occasional devious run ins. --Buddy Landell. The buffoon of the group. Essays the comedy act well. --Kamala. The monster heel. If you meet him, you are a dead man. Now to me that's a varied, diverse array of heels. So would an equal or lesser version of that group be Heenans Family? Andre the Giant Hercules Rick Rude King Kong Bundy
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 26, 2019 14:10:20 GMT -5
Maybe but add in Terry Taylor as the Red Rooster to give it a chump. And then the Brainbusters for tag champs.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 27, 2019 7:15:07 GMT -5
Every good guy is the same too. I'm betting the writers don't even tailor their promos to the individual. It's just good guy says this. Bad guy says this. You could take a random Rollins script and swap in Roman or Balor and there'd be no difference. If you just read a Drew promo or a Corbin promo you probably couldn't tell who said it.
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