Common Moves That Are Technically Against The Rules

[bmfjules]

The chokeslam begins as an actual choke. The ref should not count the fall.

An inverted atomic drop is just a nut shot using a knee. Should be an automatic DQ.

What are some other common moves that would be rule violations if this were a legit sport?

(And no, I'm not serious.)

[Jake, The Jake, Jake]

I always justified the atomic drop (inverted or otherwise) as being an attack to the tailbone and therefore legal. Kind of like when Bret Hart raises the legs of his opponent off the ground and then plants a boot in his midsection. Looks like a low-blow, but isn’t.

On topic, the 10 punch. Closed fists plus it exceeds the allotted five-count when your opponent is tied up in the ropes. The Rock And Roll Express should have lost every match by disqualification.

[J Lee O'Brien]

Closed fist is illegal, isn't it?

[bmfjules]

Did WWE ever explain how the Tazmission was legal? In ECW it was fine because, well, reasons, but it seemed like Tazz just got a pass to choke people out because it's his gimmick brutha.

[Allie Kitsune]

Jun 26, 2019 14:42:32 GMT -5 J Lee O'Brien said:

Closed fist is illegal, isn't it?

I don't think it is, in WWE anymore.

In most other promotions, it probably still is.

[Pushed to the Moon]

Jun 26, 2019 14:42:04 GMT -5 Jake, The Jake, Jake said:

I always justified the atomic drop (inverted or otherwise) as being an attack to the tailbone and therefore legal. Kind of like when Bret Hart raises the legs of his opponent off the ground and then plants a boot in his midsection. Looks like a low-blow, but isn’t.

On topic, the 10 punch. Closed fists plus it exceeds the allotted five-count when your opponent is tied up in the ropes. The Rock And Roll Express should have lost every match by disqualification.

Yeah I've always thought that about the atomic drop too. If the guy taking it sells is as a groin shot then they're doing it wrong. (Not that I have any right to be critiquing in ring things like I'm Bret Hart haha)

[cassonova]

Jun 26, 2019 14:45:57 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

Did WWE ever explain how the Tazmission was legal? In ECW it was fine because, well, reasons, but it seemed like Tazz just got a pass to choke people out because it's his gimmick brutha.

My understanding is that it's not a true "choke hold" in the fact that it does not cut off the airflow to the body, but restricts blood flow to the brain.

[Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED!]

Jun 26, 2019 14:34:19 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

The chokeslam begins as an actual choke. The ref should not count the fall.

An inverted atomic drop is just a nut shot using a knee. Should be an automatic DQ.

What are some other common moves that would be rule violations if this were a legit sport?

(And no, I'm not serious.)

Actually I remember hearing somewhere the choke hold comes down to whether or not your thumb is under the opponent's chin

[honsou]

Jun 26, 2019 14:45:57 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

Did WWE ever explain how the Tazmission was legal? In ECW it was fine because, well, reasons, but it seemed like Tazz just got a pass to choke people out because it's his gimmick brutha.

The rule is technically that you aren't allowed to obstruct the windpipe, which is why when you see a heel choke someone you clearly see them grabbing the windpipe. Tazmission is a blood choke or a "strangulation", where its just cutting off the blood supply to the brain. Basically its just a modified sleeper hold, which is perfectly legal in wrestling

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Jun 26, 2019 14:34:19 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

The chokeslam begins as an actual choke. The ref should not count the fall.

It’s not a choke once the chokeslam is completed though so what grounds would the referee have to refuse the pin

[bmfjules]

Jun 26, 2019 15:42:46 GMT -5 @cyclonechyno said:

Jun 26, 2019 14:34:19 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

The chokeslam begins as an actual choke. The ref should not count the fall.

It’s not a choke once the chokeslam is completed though so what grounds would the referee have to refuse the pin

It's basically a choke that breaks well before the five count, therefore it is not a DQ. Just like a single punch isn't a DQ either (going by old school rules) however, the ref would not count a fall after an illegal blow. The person is being choked the entire time the move is applied until he is thrown down to the mat, so the opponent gained an illegal advantage allowing him to perform the maneuver in the first place.

I've read that back twice now and it is far and away the most ridiculously nerdy thing I've written in quite a while.


Edit - Here's an oldy I just thought of as well.

I remember JR saying back in the day you could kick with the flat of your foot but not the point or the top.

For a while Randy Orton used the punt to the skull as a regular finisher. Set aside the fact that for a year or so anyone who took the move as a post-match angle went on a minimum month-long hiatus, I can't see how a running soccer kick to a downed opponent isn't an automatic DQ and multiple month suspension on top of that.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

Jun 26, 2019 15:42:46 GMT -5 @cyclonechyno said:

It’s not a choke once the chokeslam is completed though so what grounds would the referee have to refuse the pin

It's basically a choke that breaks well before the five count, therefore it is not a DQ. Just like a single punch isn't a DQ either (going by old school rules) however, the ref would not count a fall after an illegal blow. The person is being choked the entire time the move is applied until he is thrown down to the mat, so the opponent gained an illegal advantage allowing him to perform the maneuver in the first place.

I've read that back twice now and it is far and away the most ridiculously nerdy thing I've written in quite a while.


Edit - Here's an oldy I just thought of as well.

I remember JR saying back in the day you could kick with the flat of your foot but not the point or the top.

For a while Randy Orton used the punt to the skull as a regular finisher. Set aside the fact that for a year or so anyone who took the move as a post-match angle went on a minimum month-long hiatus, I can't see how a running soccer kick to a downed opponent isn't an automatic DQ and multiple month suspension on top of that.

That's like saying if the opponent grabbed the ropes, and a submission, instead of being broken, the wrestler dragged his opponent away from the ropes and made him tap wouldn't count. That hasn't been the case in practice, so sure, there's referee discretion, but they have no precedent for not counting the pin.

[El Pollo Guerrera]

Breaking up a pin by entering the ring during a tag match? This came up here before... teams have been DQ'd before for too many pin breaks.

[IgnahtaSempria]

Jun 26, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

Jun 26, 2019 15:42:46 GMT -5 @cyclonechyno said:

It’s not a choke once the chokeslam is completed though so what grounds would the referee have to refuse the pin

It's basically a choke that breaks well before the five count, therefore it is not a DQ. Just like a single punch isn't a DQ either (going by old school rules) however, the ref would not count a fall after an illegal blow. The person is being choked the entire time the move is applied until he is thrown down to the mat, so the opponent gained an illegal advantage allowing him to perform the maneuver in the first place.

I've read that back twice now and it is far and away the most ridiculously nerdy thing I've written in quite a while.


Edit - Here's an oldy I just thought of as well.

I remember JR saying back in the day you could kick with the flat of your foot but not the point or the top.

For a while Randy Orton used the punt to the skull as a regular finisher. Set aside the fact that for a year or so anyone who took the move as a post-match angle went on a minimum month-long hiatus, I can't see how a running soccer kick to a downed opponent isn't an automatic DQ and multiple month suspension on top of that.

I have heard Mike Quackenbush bring up the "no toe kicks " rule in Chikara once or twice.

In the case of most soccer kicks, I believe they are considered shin kicks, since most of the point of contact is with the shin, and not the toe. Also. most soccer kicks I see are done to either the back or chest, rarely the head or face.

On the topic of chokeslams, I see it as a case where, because the rule on choking is that you have a 5 count to release, as long as you don't hold the actual choke on for more than 5 seconds, it's not illegal. Sure, it's referee's discretion, but most will still count the pin. Similarly, pulling hair is illegal, but if you slam your opponent to the mat by the hair, then pin them, most refs will still count the pin.


On the thread topic, it is generally illegal to strike an opponent in the throat. But wrestlers like Kane and Haku would use a throat thrust as a regular strike in their arsenal, and some guys like Umaga and Bad Luck Fale even use a throat strike as a finisher.

[bmfjules]

Jun 26, 2019 16:15:36 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Jun 26, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 bmfjules said:

It's basically a choke that breaks well before the five count, therefore it is not a DQ. Just like a single punch isn't a DQ either (going by old school rules) however, the ref would not count a fall after an illegal blow. The person is being choked the entire time the move is applied until he is thrown down to the mat, so the opponent gained an illegal advantage allowing him to perform the maneuver in the first place.

I've read that back twice now and it is far and away the most ridiculously nerdy thing I've written in quite a while.


Edit - Here's an oldy I just thought of as well.

I remember JR saying back in the day you could kick with the flat of your foot but not the point or the top.

For a while Randy Orton used the punt to the skull as a regular finisher. Set aside the fact that for a year or so anyone who took the move as a post-match angle went on a minimum month-long hiatus, I can't see how a running soccer kick to a downed opponent isn't an automatic DQ and multiple month suspension on top of that.

That's like saying if the opponent grabbed the ropes, and a submission, instead of being broken, the wrestler dragged his opponent away from the ropes and made him tap wouldn't count. That hasn't been the case in practice, so sure, there's referee discretion, but they have no precedent for not counting the pin.

Once a wrestler touches the ropes, if the ref sees it, the hold should be broken regardless of he is pulled back after the fact. Maybe I'm suffering from light dementia but isn't this how the rule was typically enforced?

I want Tommy Young to issue a decision here.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2019 17:39:28 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

Breaking up a pin by entering the ring during a tag match? This came up here before... teams have been DQ'd before for too many pin breaks.

It's going to differ, but I recall Moxley when he was in WWE saying while on commentary that teams get one breakup pet tag, I think. After a breakup, he put over that "oh they've burned their interruption!", so further interruption without tagging out is seemingly verboten once you've done it.

If Moxley's in-ring career ends, he'd be a fantastic commentator.

[DASH 243✅]

Jun 26, 2019 17:39:28 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

Breaking up a pin by entering the ring during a tag match? This came up here before... teams have been DQ'd before for too many pin breaks.

I remember Dusty once saying that in the old days teams got 2 pin breaks 3rd time they were dq'd

[arrogantmodel]

Didn't Rock used to lift his opponent's legs up and then just straight up punch them in the groin right in front of the ref? Or was it a "shot to the midsection?"

[Joe Neglia]

As far as the atomic drop goes, in theory, it has the wrestler connecting with the tailbone, not the nuts. If some of the more gifted do a tuck-under, that's their problem.

[Mozenrath]

Jun 26, 2019 21:25:38 GMT -5 DASH 243✅ said:

Jun 26, 2019 17:39:28 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

Breaking up a pin by entering the ring during a tag match? This came up here before... teams have been DQ'd before for too many pin breaks.

I remember Dusty once saying that in the old days teams got 2 pin breaks 3rd time they were dq'd

Maybe it was two, then. Shit, I have to try and track down the time Dean Ambrose of all people felt the need to explain it, and the guys whose job it normally is just never bother.