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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 27, 2019 13:59:21 GMT -5
I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE A GLORIFIED INDIE FOLDED Putting your trust in someone, to the point of detriment to yourself, and then having them stick it up your ass, is a tough pill to swallow.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 27, 2019 14:04:10 GMT -5
I ain’t saying it’s right but I get where he was coming from. I get wanting to kill someone. I get wanting to kill yourself. But shooting someone in the back of the head in front of millions of people, then busting out a wrestling pose before killing myself on camera...I don’t get where that is coming from. Because where it's coming from is a dark and horrible place, but it's not actually that unusual. A lot of suicidal ideation comes in the form of 'fantasy'; think really f***ed up daydreams where instead of going to a cool place or getting superpowers you just f***ing end your misery. And to that end, spectacle means a lot. I can't speak for exactly what he was feeling, but it sounds to me like the fantasy was about catharsis. About getting his revenge heroically for everything Heyman screwed him for, then ending his own misery, in front of people who would forever remember him and his legacy. He would have gone down in history for it. Certainly not good history, but when you are at your lowest f***ing point, the idea of being eternal is promising, because being broken down and feeling like dirt can overwhelm everything else. This sort of thing isn't something I have had personally, but have dealt with in ways I'm not going to go into. All I'll really say here is that it's good you don't get where he's coming from, and I think that's something you should be very grateful for. Lives are much, much better off never having to touch something like this.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 27, 2019 14:07:09 GMT -5
You know what, I'm glad he talked about this. Not to be a dick but a lot of the responses to this around the net are the reason people don't discuss their depression. "What's wrong with you, keep it to yourself" etc. are some of the very phrases that push people further down into a spiral. I'm not saying that what Tommy was thinking was right but in the lowest parts of my struggle with addiction and depression I've had a lot of similar thoughts. Totally rational and wonderful people can think like monsters if it gets bad enough. Then talk to a shrink, not a journalist.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 27, 2019 14:16:18 GMT -5
I wonder how Heyman feels about this now. Next time they meet is probably gonna be awkward as f*** I'd imagine that Paul probably gets that he was in a bad place and I'm sure likely has some level of sympathy. That said, I don't see how the 2 can ever look each other in the eye again
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2019 14:30:31 GMT -5
I'M GOING TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE A GLORIFIED INDIE FOLDED It was a glorified indie to us, sure. To Tommy, ECW was his life. Heyman may have been the brains behind it, but without Tommy putting his heart, soul, blood, sweat, and tears into it the company would've folded years before. To have done all that, and given up several job offers that would've guaranteed him more money than he could've ever earned even if ECW had stayed in business for another ten years only to discover that the guy you'd stayed loyal to had sold you down the river and left you to tell everybody they're out of a job will inspire a lot of negativity.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 27, 2019 14:36:50 GMT -5
You know what, I'm glad he talked about this. Not to be a dick but a lot of the responses to this around the net are the reason people don't discuss their depression. "What's wrong with you, keep it to yourself" etc. are some of the very phrases that push people further down into a spiral. I'm not saying that what Tommy was thinking was right but in the lowest parts of my struggle with addiction and depression I've had a lot of similar thoughts. Totally rational and wonderful people can think like monsters if it gets bad enough. Then talk to a shrink, not a journalist. He may have and most do. I just respect the dude for being in a place now where he can talk about it even if it is going to hurt his image or whatever. I don't wanna be one of those dudes that the mods have to tell to walk away from a topic so I probably won't be posting in here again because I don't want to seem like I'm trying to escalate anything. I just relate a little closer to this than most do and I understand and respect that. Everyone has their own experiences and opinions and I'm not here to tell anyone they're wrong because that would just be f***ed up.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 27, 2019 14:41:46 GMT -5
I ain’t saying it’s right but I get where he was coming from. I get wanting to kill someone. I get wanting to kill yourself. But shooting someone in the back of the head in front of millions of people, then busting out a wrestling pose before killing myself on camera...I don’t get where that is coming from. Depression, that's where he's coming from. And I don't think he had blueprints of how it was going to go down or anything...just that the thought crossed his mind. The important thing is that he realised it was a f***ed up thought.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Jun 27, 2019 14:44:34 GMT -5
I don’t believe any of this. It’s easy for someone during conversation to make a good story mention something almost 20 years old that can’t be proved. Dreamer has ALWAYS seemed like the type who likes attention and to get sympathy or be in peoples minds or on their tv. I feel like he’s just doing this for his own gain or to keep him in the fold of the wrestler world...he knows nothing will come of this and it can’t be proven or debunked so might as well say whatever
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 27, 2019 14:45:27 GMT -5
He was going to hit his pose before offing himself.
Ooookay. Some of these wrestlers need serious help. The fact that he would factor getting his spot in after murdering a guy.
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Post by segaz on Jun 27, 2019 14:47:49 GMT -5
You know what, I'm glad he talked about this. Not to be a dick but a lot of the responses to this around the net are the reason people don't discuss their depression. "What's wrong with you, keep it to yourself" etc. are some of the very phrases that push people further down into a spiral. I'm not saying that what Tommy was thinking was right but in the lowest parts of my struggle with addiction and depression I've had a lot of similar thoughts. Totally rational and wonderful people can think like monsters if it gets bad enough. Then talk to a shrink, not a journalist. Enough time has passed for him to share this. Wanting to go out in a blaze of glory is not that unusual. He was in a dark place. He came out though. Now if he was saying he wanted to bang an underage Stephanie, or he thought about stabbing Pauls kids, that'd be different. These specifics are manageable here in public.
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Post by marvelocity on Jun 27, 2019 14:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by bog on Jun 27, 2019 15:08:06 GMT -5
Right. And it's probably worse when your entire life has been wrestling, revenge angles, and hanging out with doped up wrestlers. This is also true. Take the struggles a lot of us have day to day and then add to that the batshit crazy world of wrestling. Again, I don't want it to seem like I'm condoning what Dreamer was thinking about, because that's absolutely not the case but I think a lot of people tend to ignore/don't know about Dreamer in his early career. Like, we all just know him now as the goofy, Twitter pants wearing guy that tries his best to keep the ECW memory alive. Before ECW became what it was, Tommy was a good looking dude that was really damn solid in the ring and he easily could've been a mid card champ in WWE or WCW. For better or worse he chose to stay ECW and he helped build the company with Heyman, not just in the ring but behind the scenes as well. And then when you're pretty much hitting the hottest point of your career and the company you helped build, the guy you built it with left everyone holding the bag when it all came to a stop. That'll f*** someone up hard. At the end of it all, I'm glad that Tommy is in a better place mentally and in his life in general. And I really hope that someone who is going through some shit sees this and thinks " damn, he went through that and came back. I can too." Imagine spending all your free time on the road talking to crazy people at truck stops. It's no wonder so many wrestlers are into conspiracy theories.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jun 27, 2019 15:31:52 GMT -5
He was going to hit his pose before offing himself. Ooookay. Some of these wrestlers need serious help. The fact that he would factor getting his spot in after murdering a guy. Gotta get your shit in, man!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 15:35:27 GMT -5
Why would you even admit that.
I hope he means he imagined it and it scared him. If this was an actual plan of his... Jesus. That’s scary.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 27, 2019 15:51:22 GMT -5
While sure, it is to be admired that he admitted this and is in a better place now, I don't think this is gonna be good for not only his remaining career but his House of Hardcore promotion
It's just extremely unsettling... probably will push some people away regardless of intent.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 27, 2019 15:58:48 GMT -5
Perhaps him saying this will bring others to understand they don't have to suffer these things alone.
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Post by realist on Jun 27, 2019 16:17:19 GMT -5
Had it happened, to this day, some folks would insist it was a work and Heyman and Dreamer faked their deaths to relaunch ECW under assumed identities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 16:33:44 GMT -5
In light of recent events I hope that arena isn't STILL allowing people to come in armed Meanwhile, in Alaska, granted it was a NRA display.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jun 27, 2019 16:38:23 GMT -5
I'm glad he's feeling better but I don't think WWE can ever hire him again after this confession. He may not even be allowed on the premises.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 27, 2019 16:58:20 GMT -5
While sure, it is to be admired that he admitted this and is in a better place now, I don't think this is gonna be good for not only his remaining career but his House of Hardcore promotion It's just extremely unsettling... probably will push some people away regardless of intent. Like, Tommy's pretty close to Cody, but I wonder how Tony Khan's gonna feel about that association going forward...
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