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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 13, 2019 23:46:50 GMT -5
I also think it hurts that Page has not shown he can handle himself on the mic. MJF at DoN is one thing. But IMO Kip kind of eviscerated Page on the mic tonight too. Hell now that I think about it, I feel like all 3 wins Page has had have come more from him getting lucky and hitting a quick finisher on his opponents rather than looking like a true contender...
1)Won Battle Royal by eliminating a distracted MJF.
2)Won the four way due to Havoc and MJF being preoccupied with each other.
3) Beat Kip Sabian before the time limit draw because he was able to get lucky by hitting his finisher out of nowhere
Honestly... if I were AEW I would switch the story to show that Hangman had all of the potential and talent in the world but he has to out it together, and while he is showing flashes he is getting lucky. The build should be questioning if he is ready for the chance and Page having self doubt.... that may not make him look like he is in Jericho's league but you can try to have a Rocky like match with him as the underdog rather than trying to play it up like he and Jericho are equal right now
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2019 23:47:02 GMT -5
I'd say it's becoming a bit clear that they kinda f***ed up bad not having Moxley vs. Omega be the title program. This is the same sort of trapping that WWE falls in to. Title match should have been Moxley vs Omega vs Jericho given how All In ended.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 23:51:50 GMT -5
I'd say it's becoming a bit clear that they kinda f***ed up bad not having Moxley vs. Omega be the title program. This is the same sort of trapping that WWE falls in to. Title match should have been Moxley vs Omega vs Jericho given how All In ended. You mean Double Or Nothing but I agree.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 13, 2019 23:52:41 GMT -5
They are not putting him in the best position to suceed
Sure, the PAC situation threw a wrench in the early plans but y'all have had a few more shows since then and Page somehow keeps looking worse after each one and today with the commentary blowing him is not going to make it any better
Seems like no one in the company realizes this and they are on the "progressive train" patting themselves on the back about how he's the young and they are going to put him over without realizing this will doom Page long term
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2019 23:55:08 GMT -5
Title match should have been Moxley vs Omega vs Jericho given how All In ended. You mean Double Or Nothing but I agree. Wasn't it technically called All In: Double or Nothing? Maybe I'm wrong on that but yeah, semantics.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 13, 2019 23:58:08 GMT -5
You mean Double Or Nothing but I agree. Wasn't it technically called All In: Double or Nothing? Maybe I'm wrong on that but yeah, semantics. No, All In was the indy/ROH/NJPW supercard show that more or less served as proof of concept for AEW. IIRC, AEW can't even legally use "All In" because they don't own the trademark. That's why the Chicago show this year is called All Out.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 13, 2019 23:58:50 GMT -5
No, I misunderstood what you meant. Ah alright, cause I was like, double taking at your statement, no it's nowhere near Roman bad, Roman took YEARS of bad decisions... Yeah, my biases more than likely affected my rant without me meaning to. Again.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 14, 2019 0:02:40 GMT -5
Ah alright, cause I was like, double taking at your statement, no it's nowhere near Roman bad, Roman took YEARS of bad decisions... Yeah, my biases more than likely affected my rant without me meaning to. Again. Honestly if you're not watching AEW, maybe stop talking about it altogether? Your rants are misinformed and add nothing but toxicity to the conversation.
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Post by eJm on Jul 14, 2019 0:26:31 GMT -5
Ah alright, cause I was like, double taking at your statement, no it's nowhere near Roman bad, Roman took YEARS of bad decisions... Yeah, my biases more than likely affected my rant without me meaning to. Again. Someone said it to be kind but I’m not going to be. Don’t post in AEW topics again. You’ve made your biases known and there are other topics you can post in. You will not be told this again.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jul 14, 2019 0:38:36 GMT -5
My issue with Page's presentation is that he's never really been a main event talent until AEW made him one.
Omega, Jericho, Moxley, these are all guys who made their way up to the main event of their respective companies. They've all proven they're the best of the best. Page spent most of his ROH and New Japan careers in the midcard, and now all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe he's a heavyweight title contender?
It's like when WWE made Jinder Mahal champion. He went from curtain jerking one month to main eventing the next with no build up. That build up is what Page is lacking to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 1:21:57 GMT -5
I sort of get the feeling that Hangman is just fodder for Jericho at All Out so that a known commodity has the championship going into the TV show...it’s better for him to take the L (and maybe get a bit of a rub by being a featured player in the pre-TV build) than guys like Kenny, Cody, etc...and they couldn’t have inserted Moxley into the world title match because he wasn’t in the company in kayfabe when all these title matches were planned.
Hangman coming in and being a “main eventer” has been flat, but it’s really because he actually hasn’t been a main eventer. He’s worked a preshow battle royal and a “work the crowd” match in the middle of the card. I’ll be stunned if he actually wins at All Out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 2:03:38 GMT -5
Because it's impossible for AEW's booking crew, whether it be Cody, Kenny and the Bucks or someone else, to not have seen what WWE has done wrong when it comes to top guy booking. Those guys likely have some input, but Tony Khan made himself the booker because it's his promotion.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2019 2:04:54 GMT -5
Because it's impossible for AEW's booking crew, whether it be Cody, Kenny and the Bucks or someone else, to not have seen what WWE has done wrong when it comes to top guy booking. Those guys likely have some input, but Tony Khan made himself the booker because it's his promotion. They have a lot of input, Khan puts up the money but the boys no doubt are making him feel as welcome as he wants to be so the bank roll doesn't stop
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 2:11:16 GMT -5
Those guys likely have some input, but Tony Khan made himself the booker because it's his promotion. They have a lot of input, Khan puts up the money but the boys no doubt are making him feel as welcome as he wants to be so the bank roll doesn't stop Absolutely. And I guess it's to be expected, just like Vince McMahon is in charge of WWE and that's never going to change as long as he's still alive. But the point should be made, Khan didn't, say, hire Cody to be his booker, while he oversees the business end. He's running the creative himself.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 14, 2019 2:11:40 GMT -5
I'd say it's becoming a bit clear that they kinda f***ed up bad not having Moxley vs. Omega be the title program. This is the same sort of trapping that WWE falls in to. I wonder what match will be closing All Out now. The title itself probably needs the main event rub more than anything else, but Moxley and Omega is about as close to a singles dream match as they've got, and there's obvious parallels to be had with Wrestlemania X8, and the fact that Jericho is the constant here doesn't help that comparison any.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jul 14, 2019 2:14:32 GMT -5
I'd say it's becoming a bit clear that they kinda f***ed up bad not having Moxley vs. Omega be the title program. This is the same sort of trapping that WWE falls in to. I wonder what match will be closing All Out now. The title itself probably needs the main event rub more than anything else, but Moxley and Omega is about as close to a singles dream match as they've got, and there's obvious parallels to be had with Wrestlemania X8, and the fact that Jericho is the constant here doesn't help that comparison any. Just have Moxley vs. Omega go on last, honestly. They've already f***ed up by not having it be the title feud, don't make it worse by having the actual title feud have to follow it up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2019 2:16:38 GMT -5
They have a lot of input, Khan puts up the money but the boys no doubt are making him feel as welcome as he wants to be so the bank roll doesn't stop Absolutely. And I guess it's to be expected, just like Vince McMahon is in charge of WWE and that's never going to change as long as he's still alive. But the point should be made, Khan didn't, say, hire Cody to be his booker, while he oversees the business end. He's running the creative himself. Oh yeah oh course not and I can't blame Khan. He's got to have some type of control over what is his business. Cody and the boys set the ground work and they will obviously have a big say so but he can veto every now and again if he so chooses. It is a dangerous game to play but one they have to tight rope
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2019 2:18:14 GMT -5
I wonder what match will be closing All Out now. The title itself probably needs the main event rub more than anything else, but Moxley and Omega is about as close to a singles dream match as they've got, and there's obvious parallels to be had with Wrestlemania X8, and the fact that Jericho is the constant here doesn't help that comparison any. Just have Moxley vs. Omega go on last, honestly. They've already f***ed up by not having it be the title feud, don't make it worse by having the actual title feud have to follow it up. The title has to go on last They'd be f***ing over their main title on the first night by not doing so. They bit the bullet with Page and have to see this through. A pheonemonal performance against Jericho can change things but outside of that it has to be the main event just because it is the title
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jul 14, 2019 2:32:56 GMT -5
Just have Moxley vs. Omega go on last, honestly. They've already f***ed up by not having it be the title feud, don't make it worse by having the actual title feud have to follow it up. The title has to go on last They'd be f***ing over their main title on the first night by not doing so. They bit the bullet with Page and have to see this through. A pheonemonal performance against Jericho can change things but outside of that it has to be the main event just because it is the title They don't have to see anything through when it's clearly not meant to be. Mox vs. Omega is by far and away the most intriguing match on the card and you'd be doing way worse to the belt by having it be introduced when a substantial bit of the audience has tuned out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2019 2:43:35 GMT -5
The title has to go on last They'd be f***ing over their main title on the first night by not doing so. They bit the bullet with Page and have to see this through. A pheonemonal performance against Jericho can change things but outside of that it has to be the main event just because it is the title They don't have to see anything through when it's clearly not meant to be. Mox vs. Omega is by far and away the most intriguing match on the card and you'd be doing way worse to the belt by having it be introduced when a substantial bit of the audience has tuned out. "Not meant to be" is in the eyes of the beholder. You just can't put your title match on the backburner because one man has fallen down especially when it is your FIRST title match for your brand You endure and see this through
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