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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 21, 2019 7:09:31 GMT -5
Being Jewish and a Holocaust Survivor are far from the only reasons to cause radicalization. Yes, but erasing his ethnic identity when it's a big part of who he is would be an extremely shitty thing to do. Especially when antisemitism in the real world is on the rise. Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’s
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Post by Dub H on Oct 21, 2019 7:47:04 GMT -5
The only issue with NEEDING Magneto to be an holocaust survivor is that he would need to be what 80 years old?Unless you make him never aging
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 21, 2019 8:17:19 GMT -5
Yes, but erasing his ethnic identity when it's a big part of who he is would be an extremely shitty thing to do. Especially when antisemitism in the real world is on the rise. Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’sOr anything else. Pick a genocide. If they change it from the Holocaust and the Nazis I'd imagine they will just set it in a nondescript Eastern European type country and a Holocaust-esque genocide rather than picking a real event.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 21, 2019 8:18:09 GMT -5
The only issue with NEEDING Magneto to be an holocaust survivor is that he would need to be what 80 years old?Unless you make him never aging Assuming he's between 5 and 10 years old when the Holocaust began, and X-Men are introduced in the post-Endgame 2023 time period, he'd be anywhere between 87 and 92.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 21, 2019 11:49:49 GMT -5
Yes, but erasing his ethnic identity when it's a big part of who he is would be an extremely shitty thing to do. Especially when antisemitism in the real world is on the rise. Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’s Yea I was bout to say you could actually just use a big event that discriminates against others as a way to sell him differently Muslims after 911, Black people and the civil rights movement etc He doesn't necessarily have to be Jewish, you can go other routes per se
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 21, 2019 12:58:43 GMT -5
Yes, but erasing his ethnic identity when it's a big part of who he is would be an extremely shitty thing to do. Especially when antisemitism in the real world is on the rise. Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’s "Holocaust survival" is a big part of Jewish identity, especially in today's day and age when antisemitism on the rise and the lessons learned by the Holocaust are being forgotten. Jews are the biggest targets of religion-based hate crimes in the country. Yes, even more than Muslims. Changing the event that shapes Magneto's world views from the Holocaust to something else is its own form of erasure.
But then you're not Jewish, so you don't understand what my people have gone through and continue to go through even today.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 21, 2019 13:25:26 GMT -5
Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’s Yea I was bout to say you could actually just use a big event that discriminates against others as a way to sell him differently Muslims after 911, Black people and the civil rights movement etc He doesn't necessarily have to be Jewish, you can go other routes per se And Luke Cage doesn't necessarily have to be black. There are white people in Harlem. I'm guessing that didn't sit as well, because it's whitewashing. It's taking away the identity of an ethnic minority. Well, if you change Magneto, you're doing the same. You're taking away the identity of a persecuted minority.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 21, 2019 13:29:33 GMT -5
Yea I was bout to say you could actually just use a big event that discriminates against others as a way to sell him differently Muslims after 911, Black people and the civil rights movement etc He doesn't necessarily have to be Jewish, you can go other routes per se And Luke Cage doesn't necessarily have to be black. There are white people in Harlem. I'm guessing that didn't sit as well, because it's whitewashing. It's taking away the identity of an ethnic minority. Well, if you change Magneto, you're doing the same. You're taking away the identity of a persecuted minority. You're missing the point I'm talking if you're changing the whole character around, not just their orientation. Luke Cage could be white, but what is he representing is what i'm getting at I'm not saying change Magneto, i'm saying you could go a different avenue of persecution if they wanted to. That's a diff avenue of arguing why Magnet should stay Jewish because they go hand in hand which I don't disagree with
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Post by The Spelunker! on Oct 21, 2019 15:16:03 GMT -5
I feel like your examples would work better if you picked some like the Armenian genocide, the Bosnia-Serbian war, the ethnic cleansing of Kurds a number of places, or the ethnic cleansing of Coptic Christians in Egypt rather than what you’re looking at.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 21, 2019 16:33:12 GMT -5
Magneto’s ethnic identity is a big part of who he is because of the Holocaust. If Muslims were the main target of Hitler’s aggression in WW II, then the character would’ve been written Muslim. The key part of his character isn’t the Judaism, it’s the genocide survival. He’s seen the evil mankind can do when they feel threatened. You could very easily turn that story to be about Civil Rights in the 60’s "Holocaust survival" is a big part of Jewish identity, especially in today's day and age when antisemitism on the rise and the lessons learned by the Holocaust are being forgotten. Jews are the biggest targets of religion-based hate crimes in the country. Yes, even more than Muslims. Changing the event that shapes Magneto's world views from the Holocaust to something else is its own form of erasure.
But then you're not Jewish, so you don't understand what my people have gone through and continue to go through even today.
I want to preface this by saying in no way, shape or form am I trying to detract, minimize or trivialize any of the extremes hardships the Jewish people have gone through. At all. However, to act or imply that extreme persecution or attempted genocide is a uniquely Jewish suffering feels like its downplaying some of the horrors other ethnicities and races have suffered. You’re right in saying I’m not Jewish, not sure how you knew that by the name Muskrat but I digress, my experiences are different. But, what is so uniquely Jewish about Erik Lehnsherr that couldn’t or wouldn’t be the same if he were a survivor of the Darfur genocide, or the Rwandan genocide? Or even the American Civil Rights movement? If he were a Tutsi, is it not believable he’d end up with the same distrust of mankind? The biggest thing about Magneto is he saw what people in power can do to those who are different. And how they can rally the general public via fear to their side to also attack those who are different. He saw it happen to his ethnic people and wants to ensure it doesn’t happen to his race. But, in my opinion, the actual ethnicity of origin isn’t the key point it’s the experiences he lived through due to being a minority. What minority isn’t really the relevant factor. He could be from the Fry Guy race who was persecuted by the Grimaces if they want, it’s the persecution that formed who he was.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 21, 2019 19:26:34 GMT -5
They can easily have Magneto’s history stay the same with minor changes if any. Maybe his ancestors were victims of the Holocaust and he grew up surrounded by anti-semitism. Maybe he watches more of his family die in a senseless assault and his powers kick in. Hell, we’re talking about the fact that a magic based hero is probably going to create mutant kind just because...clapping her hands like she’s turning on the light. Who’s to say Magneto and Xavier don’t get pulled into modern day? We’ve already seen time travel.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 26, 2019 17:48:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 17:58:47 GMT -5
Good as it should be like everyone said after EndGame.
The next time they do anything like that it has to feel even bigger and a huge part of that is gonna be having the rest of marvel characters to pull from specifically the x-men and other mutants.
EndGame should feel small scale compared to the next time IMO.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 26, 2019 18:23:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that’s definitely the smart play. Can’t go to that well to often, IW/Endgame worked because we were invested in the characters, many people grew up with them. If you were 10 when Iron Man came out, you were old enough to drink anywhere in the US when Endgame dropped
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 28, 2019 19:17:29 GMT -5
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Post by Chainsaw on Oct 28, 2019 22:44:36 GMT -5
Well, that's likely not something that will come back and bite them in the ass...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 28, 2019 23:28:31 GMT -5
I'm guessing they did their research to feel confident to say this now at this juncture
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Oct 29, 2019 5:17:54 GMT -5
I'm guessing they did their research to feel confident to say this now at this juncture I think what we have to remember about stuff like this is that Divorce cases is that both parties are doing what they can to basically show the other person isn't an upstanding citizen so you want to break up with them and have them out of their lives. That's not even to say this stuff didn't happen or that it isn't true but you're justifying separating from another person in the eyes of the law. There's a means to this. If I were them, I probably would have just re-casted him but I also get why they didn't if they did the research and saw the paperwork and such.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 5, 2019 0:03:49 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 5, 2019 1:07:55 GMT -5
So stoked for this. I love their chemistry.
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