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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Aug 22, 2019 7:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by Dub H on Aug 22, 2019 7:33:47 GMT -5
Not sure if just a genuine high opinion of that city or if they are trying to build up their image into more untapped cities but it still is pretty cool to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:47:00 GMT -5
it's in the range of a private jet from Jax
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 22, 2019 9:25:29 GMT -5
Not sure if just a genuine high opinion of that city or if they are trying to build up their image into more untapped cities but it still is pretty cool to see. Bit of both. Cody is clearly a WCW mark (understandable since he grew up in that company) and will target their old territories. But I also think he is a very smart person and knows that while some areas may not be major markets they are also ignored for big events so they could not only make good money but will also probably get hotter crowds.
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Post by eJm on Aug 22, 2019 9:45:31 GMT -5
Not sure if just a genuine high opinion of that city or if they are trying to build up their image into more untapped cities but it still is pretty cool to see. Bit of both. Cody is clearly a WCW mark (understandable since he grew up in that company) and will target their old territories. But I also think he is a very smart person and knows that while some areas may not be major markets they are also ignored for big events so they could not only make good money but will also probably get hotter crowds. Yeah, if you give the impression they at least know about wrestling history and builds goodwill towards those markets. It's a smart strategy that could pay off long term and separate it further from what WWE's doing.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 22, 2019 9:55:29 GMT -5
Bit of both. Cody is clearly a WCW mark (understandable since he grew up in that company) and will target their old territories. But I also think he is a very smart person and knows that while some areas may not be major markets they are also ignored for big events so they could not only make good money but will also probably get hotter crowds. Yeah, if you give the impression they at least know about wrestling history and builds goodwill towards those markets. It's a smart strategy that could pay off long term and separate it further from what WWE's doing. Plus for an upstart company that just got a new cable deal and probably wants to attract sponsors what better way to do that than to have an insanely wild crowd? Let's say that this show goes as Asylum says it will. Having a crowd like that going nuts for crowning the first tag champs? It makes for a great visual that not only attracts sponsors but TNT executives see that (or let's say hypothetically some are there to check it out) and it potentially opens more doors for AEW. We saw what quickly pissing off tv executives did to ECW and TNA... as well as a lesser extent WCW.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 17:21:00 GMT -5
As someone born and raised in Charleston, and is actually currently here for a few days visiting family, this article is misleading. WWE house shows does here a few times a year. There is no less wrestling in Charleston than there ever has been. When WCW was alive, they ran Charleston and WWE ran Huntington and Wheeling. Once WCW closed, WWE started coming to Charleston multiple times a year. It wasn’t like WCW was running huge shows here constantly, there was one Nitro and one Souled Out PPV.
And honestly, if I was starting a new major wrestling company and wanted to pack a house for TV, Charleston would not be on my hit list. The city is dying a slow, painful death and Kenny Omega ain’t going to pack the Civic Center. They can barely get people to come out for the WVU/Marshall Capital Classic basketball game yearly. Like, half the building full. And that has much larger appeal to the area than a bunch of wrestlers that mark fans have not heard of. ROH ran one show in Charleston in 2012, barely sold any tickets, and never came back.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 22, 2019 17:33:38 GMT -5
As someone born and raised in Charleston, and is actually currently here for a few days visiting family, this article is misleading. WWE house shows does here a few times a year. There is no less wrestling in Charleston than there ever has been. When WCW was alive, they ran Charleston and WWE ran Huntington and Wheeling. Once WCW closed, WWE started coming to Charleston multiple times a year. It wasn’t like WCW was running huge shows here constantly, there was one Nitro and one Souled Out PPV. This is every WWE show held in Charleston since the collapse of WCW, per Wrestlingdata.com: 2019/01/11 WWE @ Charleston 2018/07/13 WWE @ Charleston 2017/11/27 WWE @ Charleston 2017/03/13 WWE @ Charleston 2016/01/16 WWE @ Charleston 2015/05/09 WWE @ Charleston 2014/09/19 WWE @ Charleston 2013/05/05 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2012/07/27 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2011/03/20 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston 2010/06/11 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2009/01/17 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston 2008/07/12 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2007/11/25 WWE SmackDown & ECW @ Charleston 2006/08/13 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2005/08/08 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston Outside the odd 1995, WCW ran the same town 2-4 times a year.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 17:42:45 GMT -5
As someone born and raised in Charleston, and is actually currently here for a few days visiting family, this article is misleading. WWE house shows does here a few times a year. There is no less wrestling in Charleston than there ever has been. When WCW was alive, they ran Charleston and WWE ran Huntington and Wheeling. Once WCW closed, WWE started coming to Charleston multiple times a year. It wasn’t like WCW was running huge shows here constantly, there was one Nitro and one Souled Out PPV. This is every WWE show held in Charleston since the collapse of WCW, per Wrestlingdata.com: 2019/01/11 WWE @ Charleston 2018/07/13 WWE @ Charleston 2017/11/27 WWE @ Charleston 2017/03/13 WWE @ Charleston 2016/01/16 WWE @ Charleston 2015/05/09 WWE @ Charleston 2014/09/19 WWE @ Charleston 2013/05/05 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2012/07/27 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2011/03/20 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston 2010/06/11 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2009/01/17 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston 2008/07/12 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2007/11/25 WWE SmackDown & ECW @ Charleston 2006/08/13 WWE RAW @ Charleston 2005/08/08 WWE SmackDown @ Charleston Outside the odd 1995, WCW ran the same town 2-4 times a year. So, they go there every year? What point are you trying to make, nitpicky?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 22, 2019 17:56:15 GMT -5
So, they go there every year? What point are you trying to make, nitpicky? WWE house shows does here a few times a year. Once WCW closed, WWE started coming to Charleston multiple times a year. Calm your tits. You made an inaccurate statement - twice - and I was supplying facts that showed you were in error.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 18:08:29 GMT -5
So, they go there every year? What point are you trying to make, nitpicky? WWE house shows does here a few times a year. Once WCW closed, WWE started coming to Charleston multiple times a year. Calm your tits. You made an inaccurate statement - twice - and I was supplying facts that showed you were in error. I am not sure how accurate that list you provided even is because it definitely seems as if they come more than that. Still, you are arguing semantics either way, because the point is Charleston is a place where people are struggling to put food on the table unfortunately. Not an untapped market with a lot of money ready to spend on wrestling. That was the point of my post. And bringing wrestling back to Charleston IS inaccurate, because at the least WWE makes a stop once a year.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Aug 22, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
ROH ran a TV taping here in ‘12 and - using a the ‘Grand Hall’ of the pre-redesign configuration - did a pretty good crowd. Don’t know the exact number but, I was there and recall it being pretty solid considering.
They attempted to come back a couple years later, didn’t sell dick in terms of tickets (because they didn’t promote or work with local people to nearly the scale they had the previous time...Cornette covered this on one of his podcasts actually) and ended up canceling.
Anyway, as I’ve been saying all week, 10/30 WILL sell out.
The hype around here right now is very real.
And I wouldn’t say Charleston is dying in general...it’s on an upswing and that has a whole hell of a lot to do with some more progressive minded folks being in charge these days. There’s still work to do, but it’s not the ghost town people like to paint it as. AEW putting their faith in the market is just the latest step in that direction.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 18:20:59 GMT -5
ROH ran a TV taping here in ‘12 and - using a the ‘Grand Hall’ of the pre-redesign configuration - did a pretty good crowd. Don’t know the exact number but, I was there and recall it being pretty solid considering. They attempted to come back a couple years later, didn’t sell dick in terms of tickets (because they didn’t promote or work with local people to nearly the scale they had the previous time...Cornette covered this on one of his podcasts actually) and ended up canceling. Anyway, as I’ve been saying all week, 10/30 WILL sell out. The hype around here right now is very real. And I wouldn’t say Charleston is dying in general...it’s on an upswing and that has a whole hell of a lot to do with some more progressive minded folks being in charge these days. There’s still work to do, but it’s not the ghost town people like to paint it as. AEW putting their faith in the market is just the latest step in that direction. I was at the ROH show in 2012 and it was not a huge crowd. And I am in Charleston as I type (I am sitting in the parking lot of the Nautilus gym in KC for reference), sure looks like a town that isn’t doing so good to me. And it has never been a smark town, always veered on the markier side of things. I would be very surprised if AEW sells out the Civic Center. I think they would be better off running Huntington or even Morgantown, as I am sure they could find more of the younger crowd tapped into their style of product in the colleges.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Aug 22, 2019 18:27:10 GMT -5
ROH ran a TV taping here in ‘12 and - using a the ‘Grand Hall’ of the pre-redesign configuration - did a pretty good crowd. Don’t know the exact number but, I was there and recall it being pretty solid considering. They attempted to come back a couple years later, didn’t sell dick in terms of tickets (because they didn’t promote or work with local people to nearly the scale they had the previous time...Cornette covered this on one of his podcasts actually) and ended up canceling. Anyway, as I’ve been saying all week, 10/30 WILL sell out. The hype around here right now is very real. And I wouldn’t say Charleston is dying in general...it’s on an upswing and that has a whole hell of a lot to do with some more progressive minded folks being in charge these days. There’s still work to do, but it’s not the ghost town people like to paint it as. AEW putting their faith in the market is just the latest step in that direction. I was at the ROH show in 2012 and it was not a huge crowd. And I am in Charleston as I type (I am sitting in the parking lot of the Nautilus gym in KC for reference), sure looks like a town that isn’t doing so good to me. And it has never been a smark town, always veered on the markier side of things. I would be very surprised if AEW sells out the Civic Center. I think they would be better off running Huntington or even Morgantown, as I am sure they could find more of the younger crowd tapped into their style of product in the colleges. Putting it in Charleston draws from all over the state. I think that helps. Civic Center has put out (via Tom Bragg’s Twitter) that total sellable seats is 10,218. And, like I said, it’s a slow progress...and there’s a still a lot of work to do. (Posted from the Kanawaha Boulevard Starbucks for reference 😉😂)
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 18:32:56 GMT -5
I was at the ROH show in 2012 and it was not a huge crowd. And I am in Charleston as I type (I am sitting in the parking lot of the Nautilus gym in KC for reference), sure looks like a town that isn’t doing so good to me. And it has never been a smark town, always veered on the markier side of things. I would be very surprised if AEW sells out the Civic Center. I think they would be better off running Huntington or even Morgantown, as I am sure they could find more of the younger crowd tapped into their style of product in the colleges. Putting it in Charleston draws from all over the state. I think that helps. Civic Center has put out (via Tom Bragg’s Twitter) that total sellable seats is 10,218. And, like I said, it’s a slow progress...and there’s a still a lot of work to do. (Posted from the Kanawaha Boulevard Starbucks for reference 😉😂) I don’t agree that putting it in Charleston draws the rest of the state. Look at the aforementioned Capital Classic. Put that game in Huntington or Morgantown and it sells out, in Charleston hardly anyone comes out. And that has WAY more statewide appeal than an AEW show. I want there to be more things to do in Charleston, but I just don’t like how Cody worded it as he is the genius who finally thought to run a wrestling show in the wrestling hotbed of Charleston, WV.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2019 18:35:40 GMT -5
Calm your tits. You made an inaccurate statement - twice - and I was supplying facts that showed you were in error. I am not sure how accurate that list you provided even is because it definitely seems as if they come more than that. Still, you are arguing semantics either way, because the point is Charleston is a place where people are struggling to put food on the table unfortunately. Not an untapped market with a lot of money ready to spend on wrestling. That was the point of my post. And bringing wrestling back to Charleston IS inaccurate, because at the least WWE makes a stop once a year. But aren't you also arguing semantics just as much if the crux of your claim is that the article is inaccurate for the claim AEW is bringing wrestling "back" to Charleston even though WWE runs a house show there every year or so?
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Aug 22, 2019 18:36:03 GMT -5
Putting it in Charleston draws from all over the state. I think that helps. Civic Center has put out (via Tom Bragg’s Twitter) that total sellable seats is 10,218. And, like I said, it’s a slow progress...and there’s a still a lot of work to do. (Posted from the Kanawaha Boulevard Starbucks for reference 😉😂) I don’t agree that putting it in Charleston draws the rest of the state. Look at the aforementioned Capital Classic. Put that game in Huntington or Morgantown and it sells out, in Charleston hardly anyone comes out. And that has WAY more statewide appeal than an AEW show. I want there to be more things to do in Charleston, but I just don’t like how Cody worded it as he is the genius who finally thought to run a wrestling show in the wrestling hotbed of Charleston, WV. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, my dude.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 22, 2019 18:39:29 GMT -5
Not sure if just a genuine high opinion of that city or if they are trying to build up their image into more untapped cities but it still is pretty cool to see. Bit of both. Cody is clearly a WCW mark (understandable since he grew up in that company) and will target their old territories. But I also think he is a very smart person and knows that while some areas may not be major markets they are also ignored for big events so they could not only make good money but will also probably get hotter crowds. More than trying to go for a crowd that might be hungry for some major wrestling content, if you hype up the town you're going to before you go to it, it's a better look than being ashamed to mention the city you're in on TV, which WWE has done on a few occasions. It might be a cheap pop, but it's a cheap pop to sell tickets, and I think it's a cheap pop WWE has let fall by the wayside as they move only to hype major cities hosting Big 4 PPVs.
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Post by abjordans on Aug 22, 2019 18:43:53 GMT -5
I am not sure how accurate that list you provided even is because it definitely seems as if they come more than that. Still, you are arguing semantics either way, because the point is Charleston is a place where people are struggling to put food on the table unfortunately. Not an untapped market with a lot of money ready to spend on wrestling. That was the point of my post. And bringing wrestling back to Charleston IS inaccurate, because at the least WWE makes a stop once a year. But aren't you also arguing semantics just as much if the crux of your claim is that the article is inaccurate for the claim AEW is bringing wrestling "back" to Charleston even though WWE runs a house show there every year or so? No I don’t think I am.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 21:27:17 GMT -5
As someone who lives in Charleston and has for the last 34 years, Charleston is an extremely devoted wrestling town, but it is definitely a traditional, southern wrestling town. Having attended wrestling shows in Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Columbus, and other places, I've yet to see such an old-school crowd that cheers the faces and boos the heels with such enthusiasm.
WCW was HUGE here, especially the NWA/pre-Monday Night Wars era. WWF/WWE has just never connected in this region. They have never given much attention to West Virginia, and have never gotten much back. Even Smoky Mountain was hotter than WWF here at the time. Sadly, wrestling largely died here with WCW.
I can most definitely see how, from a Rhodes' perspective rather than a WWE one, it's a good call. For what it's worth, I personally have friends traveling from Columbus and quite a few other places in a three hour radius for the show.
Are there any other states that haven't had a WWE TV taping in over 20 years? That has to be some kind of record.
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