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Post by Muskrat on Sept 2, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -5
Definitely Riho. I’m not sold on Nyla at all, but even if I was a fan I’d still say Riho. I wouldn’t have both champs be heels right out the gate. Had Hangman won, I’d say go with Nyla.
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Post by Dang! on Sept 2, 2019 16:12:57 GMT -5
Definitely Nyla. Riho has already beat her once, so it would really start to hurt her "monster" gimmick if someone THAT small would get another W against her. Nyla needs to be built as the Brock Lesnar of the AEW women's division.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 2, 2019 16:29:26 GMT -5
Riho is a better wrestler in every way buuuuuuuut Nyla is literally the only representation that me and a f***ton of other fans have ever had in a mainstream wrestling company so I basically go apeshit watching her every time regardless of how green she might be, so her. Look how many big stars were green as goose shit, though. Warrior, The Giant, Goldberg, Ryback, Braun. Way I see it, if Nyla is over enough and safe enough, then f*** it. Why not?
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 2, 2019 18:10:17 GMT -5
Definitely Riho. I’m not sold on Nyla at all, but even if I was a fan I’d still say Riho. I wouldn’t have both champs be heels right out the gate. Had Hangman won, I’d say go with Nyla. Nyla's also had some pretty face-y moments like standing up to Kong and giving Brandi grief on twitter before her triple threat that she thought Brandi would try to f*** with her again, so I could see them having her be more of a face, especially with the vignette they did for her. Plus, they already have the veteran champion, so an up and comer as the first women's champion would make a lot of sense.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 2, 2019 18:29:19 GMT -5
Definitely Riho. I’m not sold on Nyla at all, but even if I was a fan I’d still say Riho. I wouldn’t have both champs be heels right out the gate. Had Hangman won, I’d say go with Nyla. Nyla's also had some pretty face-y moments like standing up to Kong and giving Brandi grief on twitter before her triple threat that she thought Brandi would try to f*** with her again, so I could see them having her be more of a face, especially with the vignette they did for her. Plus, they already have the veteran champion, so an up and comer as the first women's champion would make a lot of sense. Actually, if they book her kinda like tweener Brock, that could really work. Face, heel, she don’t give a f*** she wants gold on her waist and blood on her hands. I’m not a big Nyla fan, but giving her a dominant run like that might be the play. I just wouldn’t do the traditional monster heel right now, but you could always transition to that down the road if you wanna give her a long reign
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 1:51:46 GMT -5
Nyla is way too green for the push they are giving her. Of the two, Riho. Honestly, I think it was a mistake not having the two wrestlers to determine the first champion be the actual two best wrestlers who they have. Like an Aja Kong vs. Mercedes Martinez match, or something along those lines.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 3, 2019 2:09:38 GMT -5
I'm pulling for Nyla. I wouldn't be mad with either outcome, but given they passed on Page, having new blood be a first champion on another title would be nice, especially since it's going to be a ways yet until the tag champions are crowned. Aren't both of them new blood, really? I guess Riho has way more years in the business despite being much younger because joshi wrestling, but how much of AEW's audience has really been following her all this time where she would be that much fresher than Nyla? Ultimately, I'm rooting for Nyla because she has the chance to really break some barriers and make the sort of history that could be in actual textbooks. Yeah, there's definitely folks that have more talent that will touch the title in due time, but Nyla being the first ever AEW World Women's champion is such a bold statement. It also evens the score between Riho and Nyla, which can build to another match at Full Gear where Riho can potentially take it from her (maybe using Nyla's penchant to get cocky when she gets comfortable), setting up a rubber match for another show later on.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 3, 2019 2:14:48 GMT -5
I'm pulling for Nyla. I wouldn't be mad with either outcome, but given they passed on Page, having new blood be a first champion on another title would be nice, especially since it's going to be a ways yet until the tag champions are crowned. Aren't both of them new blood, really? I guess Riho has way more years in the business despite being much younger because joshi wrestling, but how much of AEW's audience has really been following her all this time where she would be that much fresher than Nyla? Ultimately, I'm rooting for Nyla because she has the chance to really break some barriers and make the sort of history that could be in actual textbooks. Yeah, there's definitely folks that have more talent that will touch the title in due time, but Nyla being the first ever AEW World Women's champion is such a bold statement. It also evens the score between Riho and Nyla, which can build to another match at Full Gear where Riho can potentially take it from her (maybe using Nyla's penchant to get cocky when she gets comfortable), setting up a rubber match for another show later on. I was meaning in terms of years wrestling, yeah. I think something people are overlooking when they talk about "actual skill" with the women is that Nyla's not as smooth as some of the others, certainly, but she also doesn't really need to be. That guillotine knee drop she did is probably going to be in video packages for ages. Quantity is a quality all its own, which is something we forget a lot as wrestling fans, and Nyla's look is one that's going to be an attention getter, even outside of that, totally, having a native american trans woman champion would definitely be a statement.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 3, 2019 3:39:53 GMT -5
Riho
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 3, 2019 7:53:05 GMT -5
I suppose Riho. If Joshi-style is AEW's hook for "This is what we do that you won't get anywhere else on a major cable wrestling show", make your first standard-bearer somebody well-versed in that style.
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Post by Instant Classic on Sept 3, 2019 8:05:27 GMT -5
Anyone but Nyla.
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Post by Derk! on Sept 3, 2019 8:36:18 GMT -5
Not a fan of either as first ever champ. But I will go with Riho as she's a great underdog.
Hope they sign some of the women from the battle Royal to help strengthen the division..
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Post by markymark on Sept 3, 2019 10:09:54 GMT -5
I suppose Riho. If Joshi-style is AEW's hook for "This is what we do that you won't get anywhere else on a major cable wrestling show", make your first standard-bearer somebody well-versed in that style. Yuka vs Nyla couldve been more interesting match(a shame that Yuka is busy with TJPW).
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 3, 2019 10:14:31 GMT -5
Went with Nyla but I love both. Nyla winning would be great for optics alone adding to the fact she's such a different kind of wrestler than most out there, outside of Nia Jax and Awesome Kong. She'd be a great invincible giant for another underdog to have to defeat. Though, I will say Britt Baker and Hakura Shida were my first picks for first time champs.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 3, 2019 15:41:49 GMT -5
I wanted Shida, but I'll take Nyla.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 4, 2019 13:26:14 GMT -5
I'm pulling for Nyla. I wouldn't be mad with either outcome, but given they passed on Page, having new blood be a first champion on another title would be nice, especially since it's going to be a ways yet until the tag champions are crowned. Aren't both of them new blood, really? I guess Riho has way more years in the business despite being much younger because joshi wrestling, but how much of AEW's audience has really been following her all this time where she would be that much fresher than Nyla? Ultimately, I'm rooting for Nyla because she has the chance to really break some barriers and make the sort of history that could be in actual textbooks. Yeah, there's definitely folks that have more talent that will touch the title in due time, but Nyla being the first ever AEW World Women's champion is such a bold statement. It also evens the score between Riho and Nyla, which can build to another match at Full Gear where Riho can potentially take it from her (maybe using Nyla's penchant to get cocky when she gets comfortable), setting up a rubber match for another show later on. I get being a statement but it would be a shallow break. I think AEW is doing the right thing giving her opportunity to showcase herself and be a big star as very few places would do that.But having her win the title on that base alone would turn people off.Not even getting into the more deep subject, having title wins and pushes defined only by the "moment" it causes is one of the big flaws of WWE
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Sept 4, 2019 13:47:16 GMT -5
Definitely Nyla. Riho has already beat her once, so it would really start to hurt her "monster" gimmick if someone THAT small would get another W against her. Nyla needs to be built as the Brock Lesnar of the AEW women's division. on the contra side of that argument, a good catalyst for a violent streak or some sort of character arc could come from getting rolled up by Riho twice. It would undermine her monster status temporarily, while allowing her to get more of a hardened edge to her character, or to walk her back more towards a tweener role that is more sympathetic. Really I feel like both options have their positives.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 4, 2019 13:51:54 GMT -5
Aren't both of them new blood, really? I guess Riho has way more years in the business despite being much younger because joshi wrestling, but how much of AEW's audience has really been following her all this time where she would be that much fresher than Nyla? Ultimately, I'm rooting for Nyla because she has the chance to really break some barriers and make the sort of history that could be in actual textbooks. Yeah, there's definitely folks that have more talent that will touch the title in due time, but Nyla being the first ever AEW World Women's champion is such a bold statement. It also evens the score between Riho and Nyla, which can build to another match at Full Gear where Riho can potentially take it from her (maybe using Nyla's penchant to get cocky when she gets comfortable), setting up a rubber match for another show later on. I get being a statement but it would be a shallow break. I think AEW is doing the right thing giving her opportunity to showcase herself and be a big star as very few places would do that.But having her win the title on that base alone would turn people off.Not even getting into the more deep subject, having title wins and pushes defined only by the "moment" it causes is one of the big flaws of WWE The problem is, people who would declare that is the only reason already made up their minds. It's not like they hired a trans woman off of the street to be their champ, it was a wrestler, who also has a pretty unique look, and with the flying knee that is probably the spot that stands out the most of any of the AEW women's matches so far. Like, if someone doesn't like her, they don't like her, but she's got a pretty solid case for being first champ material before you even get into her being a trans woman who is native. It's not like when some promoter wanted to book Benoit's son who hadn't even really finished training yet to exploit his notoriety, or anything like that.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 4, 2019 13:54:32 GMT -5
I get being a statement but it would be a shallow break. I think AEW is doing the right thing giving her opportunity to showcase herself and be a big star as very few places would do that.But having her win the title on that base alone would turn people off.Not even getting into the more deep subject, having title wins and pushes defined only by the "moment" it causes is one of the big flaws of WWE The problem is, people who would declare that is the only reason already made up their minds. It's not like they hired a trans woman off of the street to be their champ, it was a wrestler, who also has a pretty unique look, and with the flying knee that is probably the spot that stands out the most of any of the AEW women's matches so far. Like, if someone doesn't like her, they don't like her, but she's got a pretty solid case for being first champ material before you even get into her being a trans woman who is native. It's not like when some promoter wanted to book Benoit's son who hadn't even really finished training yet to exploit his notoriety, or anything like that. I think the reason,she really doesn't have much to show right now,she ain't good enough yet. Obviously the company sees potential on her and are big on her beyond that. But if you push her before the is ready people really would start saying it is the only reason(And I was really trying to avoid getting on that more sensitive topic ) and that would really hurt the division and her own push in the company. And it really isn't a "she is trans "exclusive thing(even if it makes the reaction show a worse side).Anytime someone gets pushed without being good enough people latch on a reason for it(ex: Roman,Charlotte and even Page)
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