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Post by Dub H on Sept 2, 2019 7:56:27 GMT -5
Nick doesn't really feel hurt but sayd he is not ever doing that spot again,for obvious reasons Pretty crazy they have did these types of match for more than 10 years and don't show long term damage. And they also say this is the most healthy the wrestling economy has been,which I don't disagree.
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Post by petef3 on Sept 2, 2019 8:01:57 GMT -5
Most healthy since the Monday Night Wars, maybe.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 2, 2019 8:04:23 GMT -5
Most healthy since the Monday Night Wars, maybe. Healthier =/= Not most money made by companies. Lower card are probably making much more than people at that time and the money isn't mostly focused around only two companies. Wrestler have plenty more of opportunities today to make a decent living.
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Post by petef3 on Sept 2, 2019 8:21:52 GMT -5
It's not even debatable that territory-era wrestling was much healthier than today's, business-wise. Healthier than the late '90s too, for that matter.
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Post by KofiMania on Sept 2, 2019 9:28:16 GMT -5
It's not even debatable that territory-era wrestling was much healthier than today's, business-wise. Healthier than the late '90s too, for that matter. For the wrestlers? Or just for the companies?
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Post by petef3 on Sept 2, 2019 9:28:54 GMT -5
For the wrestlers. Way more wrestlers making a regular living, performing in a way higher number of fans, in the 1970's and early-to-mid-'80s than any time period after, including the MNW.
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Post by eJm on Sept 2, 2019 9:37:46 GMT -5
It's not even debatable that territory-era wrestling was much healthier than today's, business-wise. Healthier than the late '90s too, for that matter. For the wrestlers? Or just for the companies? I guess it depends, really. Like, if we're comparing company wise, there's definitely fewer companies now then there were back then but compared to back then, there are more ways to see those companies whether you're local or on the other side of the world, whether via streaming or YouTube or Twitch or whatever. Wrestler wise? It's actually hard to judge at this present moment. There are more opportunities for sure but pay depends on what company you are and where that company is able to perform. There are exceptions (Courage Wrestling here in Dublin paid people double what they usually would get...and then they died three shows later for a variety of reasons) but with some of the stuff bubbling underneath (Pro Wrestling EVE's Code of Conduct agreement with EquityUK should be something every company globally should have their eye on) and with more places springing up and each bringing their own style and image to the business...who knows? What we do know is that the scene is getting an influx of talents and there are a growing number of decent schools rather than hokey ones that couldn't get talent onto a bus, never mind an actual wrestling show. Wrestling's definitely more niche then it once was in the territories but there's way more room to grow now then there was, say, 2002 even with the proper start of places like ROH and CZW. For the wrestlers. Way more wrestlers making a regular living, performing in a way higher number of fans, in the 1970's and early-to-mid-'80s than any time period after, including the MNW. Having said that, this is true as well. I can only think of a handful of names that can wrestle everywhere without a full time job or running a school or something like that for extra money.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 2, 2019 10:16:14 GMT -5
For the wrestlers. Way more wrestlers making a regular living, performing in a way higher number of fans, in the 1970's and early-to-mid-'80s than any time period after, including the MNW. That's very debatable. 90% of the territory workers were working for peanuts.
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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 2, 2019 10:44:16 GMT -5
I'm almost 100% certain had they not been off the road for the vast majority of the year prepping AEW, they would've sustained some more serious injuries after that.
That faceplant was one of the scariest bumps I've seen in some time.
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Post by Muskrat on Sept 2, 2019 12:22:56 GMT -5
I'm almost 100% certain had they not been off the road for the vast majority of the year prepping AEW, they would've sustained some more serious injuries after that. That faceplant was one of the scariest bumps I've seen in some time. I thought he broke his neck on the live angle. Scared the shit outta me
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Sept 2, 2019 18:31:19 GMT -5
For the wrestlers. Way more wrestlers making a regular living, performing in a way higher number of fans, in the 1970's and early-to-mid-'80s than any time period after, including the MNW. That's very debatable. 90% of the territory workers were working for peanuts. “AND IT WAS GREAT!” - Jim Cornette (probably)
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN (Nana is BUNS) on Sept 2, 2019 18:32:08 GMT -5
I'm almost 100% certain had they not been off the road for the vast majority of the year prepping AEW, they would've sustained some more serious injuries after that. That faceplant was one of the scariest bumps I've seen in some time. I thought he broke his neck on the live angle. Scared the shit outta me The only spot in the entire match that legit worried me.
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Sept 2, 2019 19:30:52 GMT -5
I loved the match but it's not something I would need to see again. That botched table spot with Nick made my heart skip a beat. I thought he was done. Let's go back to storytelling matches for a little bit guys. Remember Matt you have a bad back.
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Post by chrom on Sept 2, 2019 20:04:09 GMT -5
The Bucks have been very lucky to avoid injuries their whole career.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 2, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
The Bucks have been very lucky to avoid injuries their whole career. Eh I would say it is 10% Luck 20% Skill
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Post by eJm on Sept 2, 2019 20:08:39 GMT -5
The Bucks have been very lucky to avoid injuries their whole career. Eh I would say it is 10% Luck 20% Skill 15% concentrated power of will?
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 2, 2019 20:28:36 GMT -5
The Bucks have been very lucky to avoid injuries their whole career. Serious injury, yeah, though they definitely have taken on some wear and tear. Reminds me of someone asking Cornette how Bobby Eaton avoided being hurt, doing the top rope knee drop, splash, and leg drop. His answer was basically, "He didn't. Have you seen him walk around these days?", but also that he saved those for the big shows, anyway, or it'd be worse.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 2, 2019 21:11:30 GMT -5
The Bucks have been very lucky to avoid injuries their whole career. Eh I would say it is 10% Luck 20% Skill 15% or more on car insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 23:46:36 GMT -5
It really is a miracle they are not injured. But they need to realize, if they haven't already, that they'd have made the same money if they just worked a regular match on that show, than if they were taking super dangerous bumps on tables and ladders. I get that they want to contribute to the exciting building of this new promotion that they are executives in, but... seriously, there wasn't any reason they couldn't put on just as exciting of a match with just doing wrestling moves and structuring the match properly to illicit the same reaction from the crowd.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 2, 2019 23:53:22 GMT -5
It really is a miracle they are not injured. But they need to realize, if they haven't already, that they'd have made the same money if they just worked a regular match on that show, than if they were taking super dangerous bumps on tables and ladders. I get that they want to contribute to the exciting building of this new promotion that they are executives in, but... seriously, there wasn't any reason they couldn't put on just as exciting of a match with just doing wrestling moves and structuring the match properly to illicit the same reaction from the crowd. Eh, this is also a feud-ender, so that's also a motivating factor, but certainly, I think they could afford to dial it back.
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