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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 5, 2019 3:40:52 GMT -5
Isn't Ed Koskey the idiot who thought that giving Daniel Bryan a losing streak in 2011 after winning MITB was the key to success? It's a weird tact they like to do. I remember when Edge won the first MITB, it felt like he ended up spinning his wheels a lot or losing some matches you'd expect him to win because I feel like they wanted us to not think about him and the briefcase as factors until he actually cashed in. He really was. I remember just about nothing he did while holding it outside of the Matt Hardy feud.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 5, 2019 4:11:26 GMT -5
What’s the timeline of 205Live? About when did it turn from fun characters into SRS guys who wrestle good? Like immediately after Enzo was fired, so late 2018. Enzo was gone in January 2018.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 5, 2019 4:14:36 GMT -5
It's a weird tact they like to do. I remember when Edge won the first MITB, it felt like he ended up spinning his wheels a lot or losing some matches you'd expect him to win because I feel like they wanted us to not think about him and the briefcase as factors until he actually cashed in. He really was. I remember just about nothing he did while holding it outside of the Matt Hardy feud. To be fair, that was one hell of a feud that did a lot to take Edge from dude that was on the fringes of the main event and occasional visitor into a bona fide superstar and heat magnet. And after it finished, he tore his pectoral and that put him on the self for quite a while.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 5, 2019 4:26:46 GMT -5
Like immediately after Enzo was fired, so late 2018. Enzo was gone in January 2018. Didn't mean to pile on here. I saw after I posted my comment that someone had already pointed this out and I tried repeatedly to delete my comment. Sorry.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 5, 2019 4:36:00 GMT -5
He really was. I remember just about nothing he did while holding it outside of the Matt Hardy feud. To be fair, that was one hell of a feud that did a lot to take Edge from dude that was on the fringes of the main event and occasional visitor into a bona fide superstar and heat magnet. And after it finished, he tore his pectoral and that put him on the self for quite a while. Edge cashing in and getting a brief 3 week reign seemed like such a rushed / panic move. Like they forgot to book him to cash it in for 9 months and then realized, oh shit WrestleMania is already around the corner and we need to promote the next MITB and Edge is still holding onto last years! Now that you reminded me of Edge's pec injury in late 2005 that probably was the reason he held onto it for so long. I think to this day he still holds the record for holding onto the brief case the longest, right?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 5, 2019 4:45:24 GMT -5
To be fair, that was one hell of a feud that did a lot to take Edge from dude that was on the fringes of the main event and occasional visitor into a bona fide superstar and heat magnet. And after it finished, he tore his pectoral and that put him on the self for quite a while. Edge cashing in and getting a brief 3 week reign seemed like such a rushed / panick move. Like they forgot to book him to cash it in for 9 months and then realized, oh shit WrestleMania is already around the corner and we need to promote the next MITB and Edge is still holding onto last years! Now that you reminded me of Edge's pec injury in late 2005 that probably was the reason he held onto it for so long. I think to this day he still holds the record for holding onto the brief case the longest, right? Carmella holds the record, holding the MITB only one week longer than Edge did here.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 5, 2019 4:55:53 GMT -5
Edge cashing in and getting a brief 3 week reign seemed like such a rushed / panick move. Like they forgot to book him to cash it in for 9 months and then realized, oh shit WrestleMania is already around the corner and we need to promote the next MITB and Edge is still holding onto last years! Now that you reminded me of Edge's pec injury in late 2005 that probably was the reason he held onto it for so long. I think to this day he still holds the record for holding onto the brief case the longest, right? Carmella holds the record, holding the MITB only one week longer than Edge did here. Oh yeah. I should remember that since I was there when Carmella cashed in. I probably forgot because Carmella sucks and everything she does is forgettable.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 5, 2019 11:38:07 GMT -5
To be fair, that was one hell of a feud that did a lot to take Edge from dude that was on the fringes of the main event and occasional visitor into a bona fide superstar and heat magnet. And after it finished, he tore his pectoral and that put him on the self for quite a while. Edge cashing in and getting a brief 3 week reign seemed like such a rushed / panic move. Like they forgot to book him to cash it in for 9 months and then realized, oh shit WrestleMania is already around the corner and we need to promote the next MITB and Edge is still holding onto last years! That’s actually apparently exactly what happened, they were approaching the new year, realised they had to pay that off ASAP and because it was the first ever MITB Edge had to win to get the gimmick over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 16:42:16 GMT -5
Some more details per TheWrap. Apparently it's due to the Reigns/Rowan/Bryan storyline also some dude sleeping.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 5, 2019 16:49:21 GMT -5
But doesn't Vince have final say, especially in angles involving a star the caliber of Roman Reigns? There's no way a Roman angle makes it to TV without Vince thinking it's "such good shit". These poor writers are just fall guys for anytime Vince's stupid crap fails.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 17:45:46 GMT -5
But doesn't Vince have final say, especially in angles involving a star the caliber of Roman Reigns? There's no way a Roman angle makes it to TV without Vince thinking it's "such good shit". These poor writers are just fall guys for anytime Vince's stupid crap fails. Depends. For the past few weeks there's been some SDLs that Vince hasn't been on and although he's rewritten the show multiple times that doesn't mean he's literally in charge of every single piece of it. Like Kaz's podcast episode stated, there's some stuff that Vince might have the outline of but not each individual detail. It just depends on what it is. Like a dude sleeping, nah we can't blame that on Vince lol.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 5, 2019 17:49:47 GMT -5
Some more details per TheWrap. Apparently it's due to the Reigns/Rowan/Bryan storyline also some dude sleeping. Motorcycle Fetish Geek hires man who wrote on Biker Gang Show to write Sports Entertainment. Writer falls asleep immediately upon reporting to work.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 5, 2019 18:07:28 GMT -5
But doesn't Vince have final say, especially in angles involving a star the caliber of Roman Reigns? There's no way a Roman angle makes it to TV without Vince thinking it's "such good shit". These poor writers are just fall guys for anytime Vince's stupid crap fails. Depends. For the past few weeks there's been some SDLs that Vince hasn't been on and although he's rewritten the show multiple times that doesn't mean he's literally in charge of every single piece of it. Like Kaz's podcast episode stated, there's some stuff that Vince might have the outline of but not each individual detail. It just depends on what it is. Like a dude sleeping, nah we can't blame that on Vince lol. Well obviously not the guy sleeping, but I just can't buy WWE doing anything with Roman without Vince giving it a thumbs-up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -5
Depends. For the past few weeks there's been some SDLs that Vince hasn't been on and although he's rewritten the show multiple times that doesn't mean he's literally in charge of every single piece of it. Like Kaz's podcast episode stated, there's some stuff that Vince might have the outline of but not each individual detail. It just depends on what it is. Like a dude sleeping, nah we can't blame that on Vince lol. Well obviously not the guy sleeping, but I just can't buy WWE doing anything with Roman without Vince giving it a thumbs-up. We have to get more info on exactly how it was botched before we make our decision on it because it could be either or. It could be the overall outline, could be something small like the guy looking too much like Rowan, who knows. Either way something like that being what's caused a shift is a bit drastic when we've seen far worse like idk, the guy who gave a mic to Lars when he couldn't cut a promo. Guess we'll find out what's exactly botched about this angle when more info leaks. I wonder how it was supposed to be.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 5, 2019 18:17:08 GMT -5
Some more details per TheWrap. Apparently it's due to the Reigns/Rowan/Bryan storyline also some dude sleeping. Motorcycle Fetish Geek hires man who wrote on Biker Gang Show to write Sports Entertainment. Writer falls asleep immediately upon reporting to work. This is the most Bischoff shit right here and if he does have actual power on Smackdown in the long term I hope more trainwreck shit like this comes of it
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Post by fw91 on Sept 5, 2019 18:21:15 GMT -5
i mean is it really noteworthy news considering writing staffs seem to rotate often?
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Post by ayumidah on Sept 5, 2019 19:25:36 GMT -5
TheWrap.com recently contacted WWE regarding the recent story of the writing positions for RAW/Smackdown being changed:
A rep for WWE issued this response to our questions for this story: “We don’t comment on employee matters.”
Man. WWE reps and PR people have such rough jobs with these insightful one liners when asked about DUIs and job terminations and the like.
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Post by Hypnosis on Sept 5, 2019 19:42:48 GMT -5
i mean is it really noteworthy news considering writing staffs seem to rotate often? Yeah, I was thinking the big news Alvarez was talking about was going to be Vince stepping down or Punk making a surprise return.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 5, 2019 20:18:27 GMT -5
i mean is it really noteworthy news considering writing staffs seem to rotate often? The lead writer of Raw for many, many years being moved over to Smackdown is honestly huge news in terms of the implications and consequences of the move. What does it mean for the shows and their relative levels of priority now that Smackdown is on a more accessible channel and pulling in way bigger money now than it ever did before; is this about making up for Ward being on hiatus, or is this Vince putting a tenured writer he feels he can trust to write the show about to hit broadcast television? As far as I knew it wasn't that writing staffs constantly swapped around and jumped between shows, it was that the job led to a high turnover rate. A shake-up like this is actually pretty huge.
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Post by nisidhe on Sept 5, 2019 20:43:58 GMT -5
What happened to Fox wanting Smackdown to be a more "sports-oriented" show? 'Coz putting Ward on hiatus and bringing over the Raw guy seems as though WWE's going in the opposite direction.
As for Bischoff: whatever Vince brought him in for, I hope he's kept as far away from the writing room as possible.
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