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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 18, 2019 22:57:05 GMT -5
O M G
Cannot wait
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 18, 2019 23:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by King Boo on Dec 18, 2019 23:43:20 GMT -5
This season sucked; who cares, moving on.
SANDRA. DANNI. DENISE.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 19, 2019 1:23:38 GMT -5
If Amber wins, she takes Sandra’s crown, I believe.
She would be 2-1 vs Sandra’s 2-2.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 19, 2019 6:16:57 GMT -5
A few early thoughts on all-winners:
*I never thought I’d mark out for the return of Amber Brkich-Mariano, but here we are.
*Beyond thrilled to see Danni back. We finally have some non-Stephenie representation from Guatemala.
*It warms my heart to see Ethan back at all, fully healthy and ready to go. A true survivor.
*I want Ben to GTFO early, please and thanks.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 19, 2019 7:17:57 GMT -5
Also, final thoughts on season 39: It was pretty messed-up and backhanded of the show to tout all this diversity and women’s empowerment only to persist in keeping a predator in the game and have the blandest white dude out of the lot win at the end. It’s made me lose trust in this show.
It’s clear Tommy rocked the hell out of the social game. It’s unfortunate that in this current era he’ll be written off for having done nothing just because he didn’t find an idol or make Big Movez. With that said, let’s not forget he was willing to go to the end with a predator and dropped supremely awful lines like “It’s teaching time with Tommy!” What a dud of a character.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 19, 2019 8:37:50 GMT -5
Pretty funny tweet from Rick quoting his wife's tweet. (That's Rick Devens, who keep in mind was on Survivor last season and lost.)
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 19, 2019 11:56:30 GMT -5
I know we all kinda wanted Noura but let's be realistic if any of us had to spend an elevator ride with her we'd be sick of her shtick. She's gonna go down in history with the likes of Coach and Russel as players who could never sway a jury matter how much they talk.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 19, 2019 14:16:44 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media:
Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4.
Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH).
Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC.
If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 14:35:15 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media: Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4. Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH). Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC. If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form. Janet would have won the whole thing if she made it to fire-making.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 19, 2019 14:36:31 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media: Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4. Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH). Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC. If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form. I was just thinking about this (without specifics, which are sadder than I realized) last night. I don't know that I want to get into gender politics as it relates to the game as well as on aspects of society, but at the same time I can't help noticing that it seems as though things have regressed in the game where it pertains to that. I could theorize the hows and whys but ultimately, it's just... sad. The Chrissy loss is just egregious, imo. That more than anything, I think, is a microcosm of everything wrong with the current state of the game.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 19, 2019 14:37:36 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media: Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4. Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH). Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC. If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form. Jeez, who knew it was that rough? I wonder how you fix it though to even things out. Because now, the game is technically fair but since Survivor is always a very physical game in every aspect, it would naturally lean towards 'the gender with biologically more muscle' even if only slightly. I think they did try to even things out over the years, making more challenges slightly less physical by putting puzzles in almost every challenge, so at least a typical challenge needs more brain power to win, not just brawn.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 19, 2019 14:44:47 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media: Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4. Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH). Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC. If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form. Jeez, who knew it was that rough? I wonder how you fix it though to even things out. Because now, the game is technically fair but since Survivor is always a very physical game in every aspect, it would naturally lean towards 'the gender with biologically more muscle' even if only slightly. I think they did try to even things out over the years, making more challenges slightly less physical by putting puzzles in almost every challenge, so at least a typical challenge needs more brain power to win, not just brawn. It's about factors besides challenges, I think. It's more about the combination of what's seen as "great gameplay" and how that reflects upon each gender. Again, not to make it all serious and heavy, but when a woman behaves more "masculine" - the ol' taking charge vs. bitchy thing, for example - it seems as though it reflects poorly on them. For the men, it's seen as strategic superiority and for the women it's seen as social inferiority. I think maybe women, a lot of the time, subconsciously downplay or avoid that kind of game approach because of how it's perceived and then they're seen as "doing nothing" when they're really just playing a more understated game. It's a lose-lose scenario. It makes me want to go and see the different instances where women won, received votes, received more votes than a man even if they both lost, etc. The nuances of it will probably be even more enlightening.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 19, 2019 15:17:29 GMT -5
I just hope that for season 40, they heavyweights stick around, and not outed early like all stars and the post merge features the underwhelming returnees who weren’t all that memorable. Early picks are Wendell or Jeremy
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Post by fw91 on Dec 19, 2019 15:20:05 GMT -5
On rumor is that edge of extinction is only back so production could get their money’s worth out of the returnees. Many demanded a high price to return and would want to go home immediately if they were voted out pre-merge.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 19, 2019 16:06:10 GMT -5
On rumor is that edge of extinction is only back so production could get their money’s worth out of the returnees. Many demanded a high price to return and would want to go home immediately if they were voted out pre-merge. Good thinking, because I remember back with the first All Stars season, apparently multiple castaways wanted the consolation payouts (the lesser amounts of money earned by every player but the winner) to all be higher than usual.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 19, 2019 19:53:29 GMT -5
Some stats I’ve come across on social media: Women have only won 3 of the past 14 seasons. Additionally, no woman has won since the introduction of fire-making at the final 4. Of the 52 jury votes in the past five seasons, only 2 of them were cast for women (the votes for Chrissy in HHH). Season 39 was the fourth consecutive season where women didn’t receive any votes at the FTC. If this season accomplished anything, it shed light on a larger systemic problem with the show in its current form. I think it's just an indication of the modern Survivor game more than anything, where anyone showing any positive trait is cannibalized before F4. I also think it's easier for an accomplished man to make it to the F3 than a strong woman whether it be socially, strategically, or in challenges. The idea that women are generally nicer and more nurturing hurts because people always think around 8 that they're going to win and must be stopped. From 8-4, you always see women like Janet or Elaine go because they're such a threat socially and usually not overly good at challenges. And historically women haven't been great at finding idols. So they're sitting ducks essentially. And that also makes it easier to keep them until this point. Where as people like Karishma and Noura are more likely to go deep into the game because they're goats.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 19, 2019 22:17:08 GMT -5
I just hope that for season 40, they heavyweights stick around, and not outed early like all stars and the post merge features the underwhelming returnees who weren’t all that memorable. Early picks are Wendell or Jeremy I'm curious as to how you would break that down for next season, who qualifies as a heavyweight, and who is a weak winner
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Dec 19, 2019 22:54:03 GMT -5
Love that Tyson is back. Same with Sandra. Would have like to seen MIIIIIIISTAAAAAH CROOOOOWWWWLLLEEEEEEYYYYY come back. Or even more people from earlier seasons. All the same, I'm looking forward to this.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 20, 2019 10:45:20 GMT -5
Natalie White would’ve steamrolled over these people and Jeff didn’t invite her back because he knew it was the truth. That’s the tea.
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