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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 22:18:16 GMT -5
Danny Lyon (PWG). He was the first to give a spotlight to A LOT of new guys who went on to eventually become big stars in the industry, and has been doing so for over 15 years now. His audience isn't the same as every wrestling audience, but as far as booking for what his audience wants, he has a great track record.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 10, 2019 22:21:14 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Jerry Jarrett yet. The guy had a hand in the early careers of, well, everyone. Hogan got an initial push there in 1979 before heading to the WWF. Savage of course got known from feuding with Lawler. Rude made a name for himself there. The Rock and Roll Express formed in Memphis. Even if you want more modern guys Rock was a rookie in the USWA in 1996, Undertaker was Master of Pain in Memphis circa 1989, I think Austin went there as well (though to be honest he was more a TX USWA guy), Foley got his first real notoriety in Memphis.
It's funny but in one of Prichard's shows he dissed Jarrett for saying that Glenn Jacobs "Could be the next Sid for ya. You can bring him in now and use him on top." This was in 1993. Obviously he was green at that point but could he have been a top guy in 1995 with a different gimmick than Isaac Yankem? Maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 22:23:05 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate about Jerry Jarrett, he also booked a ton of terrible talent over the years. You win some, you lose some, when you promote for that many decades.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 11, 2019 0:33:38 GMT -5
That's not true at all, I'm sorry. He was a top star on the territory circuit who was having matches with Andre, Backlund, Antonio Inoki; already had a short run at the very top in Knoxville, and was teaming with the likes of Dusty and Hansen. I’ll defer to you. I always thought Hogan was just an average heel before Hulkamania. I guess it depends on what you consider as such. He certainly wasn't at the level he would attain post-Rocky III, but he was already a presence. I think one of the main things that hurts his standing in that era is that he was going the Brody route, not staying put anywhere too long, so he's an unknown quantity in regards to whether he could sustain runs at the top for any length. Dude had 20 matches against Backlund in 1980-81. Had title shots against Harley the year before. Topped the card against Jerry Lawler in Memphis, held Knoxville's top belt.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Sept 11, 2019 1:50:29 GMT -5
Bischoff was better at this than given credit for. Paul Heyman would say Eric just stole his guys, but ECW was a glorified indy. Those wrestlers were moving up. Anyway, yeah. Bischoff is responsible for Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Jericho, and a real important one, Konnan. Konnan was Eric's guy for finding Cruiserweights and luchas. That brought us Rey Jr., Ultimo Dragon, Juvi, Psichosis, La Parka. Bischoff has a legacy of just hiring WWF main eventers, but that's a crock. Bischoff wasn't taking food off Heyman's table ( though he could benefit from eating less) these guys wanted to put food on theirs
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 11, 2019 3:08:21 GMT -5
Bischoff was better at this than given credit for. Paul Heyman would say Eric just stole his guys, but ECW was a glorified indy. Those wrestlers were moving up. Anyway, yeah. Bischoff is responsible for Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Jericho, and a real important one, Konnan. Konnan was Eric's guy for finding Cruiserweights and luchas. That brought us Rey Jr., Ultimo Dragon, Juvi, Psichosis, La Parka. Bischoff has a legacy of just hiring WWF main eventers, but that's a crock. Let's not forget how many of the guys Heyman 'discovered' had been on WCW promoted shows prior to getting anywhere near an ECW ring. For the most part, Heyman and Bischoff both found people that had already been given pushes in major promotions, but Heyman is credited as a genius starmaker while Bischoff is a talent thief. Shows the benefits of having the WWE machine revising history for you.
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Post by jimmyjames on Sept 11, 2019 3:37:36 GMT -5
A current promoter I would say is Dave Marquez. In NWA Hollywood in 2010 he had Wiilie MAck, Brian Cage, Eli Drake, Austin Aries, Cesario and Bayley to name a few. I know some were established indy stars but that's a pretty darn good list. He was also involved with Karl Anderson earlier and others.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 11, 2019 7:09:07 GMT -5
If Giant Baba was the one who talked Jumbo Tsuruta into putting over Misawa in that 1990 match, then him.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 11, 2019 7:17:00 GMT -5
If Giant Baba was the one who talked Jumbo Tsuruta into putting over Misawa in that 1990 match, then him. He would be the man. As the legend goes, Tsuruta initially was meant to go over. Then shortly before the show (I want to say the day of the show) when Baba was giving out finishes, he switched it and he told them Misawa was going over. Now how much of this was Baba sensing the timing was right in the heat of the moment and how much of this he may have planned all along (but faked Misawa out and kept close to his chest till the day of) is up for debate. Tsuruta himself never spoke on it as I recall, but others involved have and the above story is the one they give. Though Baba was known to occasionally keep things secret even from the boys until the moment was right, so either scenario is likely. Either way, whether on impulse of reading the crowds or engineering the rise more calculatingly, Baba made the right call.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 11, 2019 8:17:47 GMT -5
What about Bill Watts? He was savvy enough to know that JYD would be big business in Mid-South. plus, you add DiBiase, Duggan, Jake Roberts, Freebirds, Butch Reed, Rock n' Roll Express, Midnight Xpress/Jim Cornette, Magnum TA, Terry Taylor. That's a top shelf list right there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 8:28:50 GMT -5
During Gabe's time in ROH there was more hits than misses.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 11, 2019 16:59:33 GMT -5
Bischoff was better at this than given credit for. Paul Heyman would say Eric just stole his guys, but ECW was a glorified indy. Those wrestlers were moving up. Anyway, yeah. Bischoff is responsible for Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Jericho, and a real important one, Konnan. Konnan was Eric's guy for finding Cruiserweights and luchas. That brought us Rey Jr., Ultimo Dragon, Juvi, Psichosis, La Parka. Bischoff has a legacy of just hiring WWF main eventers, but that's a crock. This is a fair shake. Bisch may have done nothing with them (more than people would like to remember) but he knew how to spot a great worker.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2019 20:07:39 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Jerry Jarrett yet. The guy had a hand in the early careers of, well, everyone. Hogan got an initial push there in 1979 before heading to the WWF. Savage of course got known from feuding with Lawler. Rude made a name for himself there. The Rock and Roll Express formed in Memphis. Even if you want more modern guys Rock was a rookie in the USWA in 1996, Undertaker was Master of Pain in Memphis circa 1989, I think Austin went there as well (though to be honest he was more a TX USWA guy), Foley got his first real notoriety in Memphis. It's funny but in one of Prichard's shows he dissed Jarrett for saying that Glenn Jacobs "Could be the next Sid for ya. You can bring him in now and use him on top." This was in 1993. Obviously he was green at that point but could he have been a top guy in 1995 with a different gimmick than Isaac Yankem? Maybe. No one gives the credit he deserves because Jarrett paid those rookies starvation wages.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2019 3:33:04 GMT -5
Bischoff was better at this than given credit for. Paul Heyman would say Eric just stole his guys, but ECW was a glorified indy. Those wrestlers were moving up. Anyway, yeah. Bischoff is responsible for Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Jericho, and a real important one, Konnan. Konnan was Eric's guy for finding Cruiserweights and luchas. That brought us Rey Jr., Ultimo Dragon, Juvi, Psichosis, La Parka. Bischoff has a legacy of just hiring WWF main eventers, but that's a crock. This is a fair shake. Bisch may have done nothing with them (more than people would like to remember) but he knew how to spot a great worker. I know Stevie Richards kicks himself some for accepting Heyman's guilt trip and planting seeds of doubt about WCW to come back to ECW. It did get him the WWF gig eventually, but Bischoff had made it clear to Stevie that he intended to push him and elevate him up the card. It makes me wonder how differently Richards' career would have gone. He certainly was a good enough wrestler to probably make it work, and WCW was such that he would have been shielded from a lot of the political bullshit.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 12, 2019 7:18:12 GMT -5
Amazed no one has mentioned Jerry Jarrett yet. The guy had a hand in the early careers of, well, everyone. Hogan got an initial push there in 1979 before heading to the WWF. Savage of course got known from feuding with Lawler. Rude made a name for himself there. The Rock and Roll Express formed in Memphis. Even if you want more modern guys Rock was a rookie in the USWA in 1996, Undertaker was Master of Pain in Memphis circa 1989, I think Austin went there as well (though to be honest he was more a TX USWA guy), Foley got his first real notoriety in Memphis. It's funny but in one of Prichard's shows he dissed Jarrett for saying that Glenn Jacobs "Could be the next Sid for ya. You can bring him in now and use him on top." This was in 1993. Obviously he was green at that point but could he have been a top guy in 1995 with a different gimmick than Isaac Yankem? Maybe. No one gives the credit he deserves because Jarrett paid those rookies starvation wages. OK, Bruce.
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