Kross says doesn't want to sue Impact, opportunities delayed

[Nosnorb]

If Impact do roll over that contract, then f*** them.

[markymark]

In the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Dave Meltzer gives insight into the IMPACT Wrestling’s side of the Killer Kross situation.

Dave was clear to say that this is not an account by IMPACT Management, but maintained confidence in its accuracy:

"Their feeling is Kross should have worked through his contract, and they did offer him more money (granted it wasn’t great money compared to what he may have been able to get today as a free agent, but he wasn’t a free agent). The feeling would be that if they put him on television and push him, it’s a waste because they know he’s leaving and they reward him for being unprofessional. If they put him on tv to get others over, he becomes a sympathetic character and management looks like the bad guys. The idea is that he put the company in a no win situation and they were the ones who gave him his career break. the idea is that the professional thing to do is work out the deal."

Just let him go at the end of the year once his contract expires.

[Cyno]

Making him sit at home and denying him his livelihood is doing way more to make management look like bad guys than having him put other guys over. Only way it looks spiteful is if he's outright jobbing out.

[markymark]

Sept 19, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Making him sit at home and denying him his livelihood is doing way more to make management look like bad guys than having him put other guys over. Only way it looks spiteful is if he's outright jobbing out.

Kross can still take booking from other places, and AAA(When Impact isnt involved), he gotta take as much booking as possible for the next 3 months so he is free and he can go to AEW for example. 

[octopus]

Sept 19, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5 Cyno said:

Making him sit at home and denying him his livelihood is doing way more to make management look like bad guys than having him put other guys over. Only way it looks spiteful is if he's outright jobbing out.

Well they're not going to reward him for being unprofessional as said above. There is no win in using Kross now.

[Cyno]

Or they could just release him from his contract. Though only in this carny-ass business is firing someone apparently "rewarding" them.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

You’re not WWE, you’re not in a position to be trying to hold people to what is a very ticky tacky contract. Let him go and get rid of the headache

You’re not paying him enough to sit on this high horse and say think about what you done

[Nosnorb]

"The idea is that he put the company in a no win situation and they were the ones who gave him his career break. the idea is that the professional thing to do is work out the deal."

Err, no you didn't. That was Jeff Jarrett in GFW, not the current Impact management. Also, the dude made his debut in AAA over a year before he made his debut for Impact, and he had already appeared in the tapings for Lucha Underground.

And apart from GFW, pretty sure they would have paid him more than what Impact was paying him and that "6 figure offer" you gave him.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Sept 11, 2019 10:16:26 GMT -5 The Spelunker! said:

To me, Kross is just acting like Antonio Brown. Not really a fan of it at all.

This is where I am on the whole situation. Athletes of every sport are getting out of control. What the hell is the point of signing a contract if you can't be held to it? If you sign for 3 years or 5 years or however many years then that's how many years you should perform or play for that organization. Now you can sign, then get a wild hair up your ass next week and demand a trade and the owners have to oblige by what you want even though you already committed on paper to that organization! And if the organization tries to hold you to your word somehow that makes the organization the bad guy.

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the interview with CVV was good www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=u6TWqfFncdY

[honsou]

For Impact this isn't about doing the "right thing" its about attracting talent. They're entire pitch is how they are going to be more open than WWE about coming in and going out and this just makes them look bad. Probably best to just let the guy go

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 19, 2019 14:08:24 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

Sept 11, 2019 10:16:26 GMT -5 The Spelunker! said:

To me, Kross is just acting like Antonio Brown. Not really a fan of it at all.

This is where I am on the whole situation. Athletes of every sport are getting out of control. What the hell is the point of signing a contract if you can't be held to it? If you sign for 3 years or 5 years or however many years then that's how many years you should perform or play for that organization. Now you can sign, then get a wild hair up your ass next week and demand a trade and the owners have to oblige by what you want even though you already committed on paper to that organization! And if the organization tries to hold you to your word somehow that makes the organization the bad guy.

Because in a high contact sport, you have to capitalize on your value as your career could end at anytime. Teams or in this case a company will cut you without question if you have no value to them, get hurt, etc... Your window to potentially maximize your value is short and if you can do so, you better otherwise teams and organizations will gaily pay you on the cheap

[Final Countdown Jones]

"We didn't want to look like bad guys paying him to lose so we decided to do some supervillain shit where we can't possibly looked like we're sleazebags."

I can't wait for them to roll over his contract out of spite just to see the f***ing pretzels people twist into to try and spin it as a defensible action that actually confirms their right-ness. Hope you guys are taking some Wednesday night yoga classes to warm up.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Sept 19, 2019 15:46:18 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

"We didn't want to look like bad guys paying him to lose so we decided to do some supervillain shit where we can't possibly looked like we're sleazebags."

I can't wait for them to roll over his contract out of spite just to see the f***ing pretzels people twist into to try and spin it as a defensible action that actually confirms their right-ness. Hope you guys are taking some Wednesday night yoga classes to warm up.

It’s pretty f***ing simple as been said multiple times. Why in the world would you offer him a BS contract knowing he would turn it down. You gave him a choice and you f***ed up simple as that.

[markymark]

Scott D'Amore was asked about the Killer Kross situation during his appearance on Talk Is Jericho. D'Amore said, "That situation is where it is, unfortunately. Kross is a guy that myself and Don (Callis) both enjoyed working with in the time he was active with us. He showed up and did his thing. We'll see how things play out. That's kind of out of our hands. We'll see what the future holds."

www.fightful.com/wrestling/fight-size-update-d-amore-comments-kross-brian-cage-skateboard-luke-harper-more

Nordholms issue now, and this isnt the first time(Hardyz, Rohit, Eli Drake)

[Final Countdown Jones]

Interesting to see the responsibility kicked upstairs, Nordholm really is a huge slimeball and honestly any time people talk about the old problem-laden management being gone I think back to all the shady shit Anthem did around the buyout and forcing an NDA on Corgan if he wanted to get his money back. Dixie might be gone but the guy at the top is maybe even worse in a few ways, because he has the business know-how to actually f*** people over on purpose

[XaviersSS2015hair]

Sept 19, 2019 15:36:20 GMT -5 Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) said:

Sept 19, 2019 14:08:24 GMT -5 XaviersSS2015hair said:

This is where I am on the whole situation. Athletes of every sport are getting out of control. What the hell is the point of signing a contract if you can't be held to it? If you sign for 3 years or 5 years or however many years then that's how many years you should perform or play for that organization. Now you can sign, then get a wild hair up your ass next week and demand a trade and the owners have to oblige by what you want even though you already committed on paper to that organization! And if the organization tries to hold you to your word somehow that makes the organization the bad guy.

Because in a high contact sport, you have to capitalize on your value as your career could end at anytime. Teams or in this case a company will cut you without question if you have no value to them, get hurt, etc... Your window to potentially maximize your value is short and if you can do so, you better otherwise teams and organizations will gaily pay you on the cheap

I completely get what you're saying. So if I'm an athlete maybe I don't commit for that long. Maybe I'm old school but I was always taught you stick to your word. And more than that I always thought when you signed a contract it was kind of you know, legally binding.

[XaviersSS2015hair]

I'm actually a big fan of Killer Kross and Scarlett Bordeaux. If I were Impact I would have taken all that money that they gave Tessa and cashed out Kross and Scarlett as I have absolutely zero interest in Tessa.
That being said why doesn't Kross just come out and tell the truth? AEW wasn't a thing when he signed with Impact and now it is so he wants to go make more money? Sorry buddy you signed a legally binding contract to work for these people so now stop crying and go do your job that you're being paid for.
This isn't the territory days where you can just walk out because a better offer came along. YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT COMMITTING TO A COMPANY SAYING THAT YOU WOULD WORK FOR THEM FOR X AMOUNT OF YEARS FOR X AMOUNT OF MONEY.
Did Impact sound ridiculously stupid saying that all together they are paying Kross a six-figure deal? Of course they did. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life. They should have kept that to themselves. At the end of the day Kross already signed a deal committing to Impact. I don't see how Impact are the bad guys for expecting a guy to keep his word.

[Deleted]

They're getting way more bad PR for refusing to let him work than they would be for jobbing him out.

The whole situation just makes them look like spiteful idiots. They've made their point by now, just let him go.

[Cyno]

Sticking to your word means f***all when the contracts are exploitative and one-sided. It gives the contractors a gazillion and one different outs to dump a person from it and it's not like most wrestlers can afford high-priced lawyers or agents to argue a fairer deal on their behalf like the billion dollar corporations can.

The Kross situation is just more proof of why wrestlers need to unionize. A legal fund to negotiate on behalf of talent would do a lot.