Kyn
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Post by Kyn on Sept 23, 2019 2:22:57 GMT -5
Maybe Cornette isn't bitter, but he can sure come across that way sometimes. What does he have to be bitter about? He's apparently set financially (heard a recent podcast where he asked folks to stop sending orders for merch because of a temporary backlog in shipping the items) and gets exposure through his podcasts and other media posts. His opinions are controversial and disliked intensely by a small segment of the wrestling fanbase, but that doesn't make him bitter; hell for all we know he could just be working for his own amusement. From your username, I'll accept this as an expert opinion on the subject. (That's not snark btw, I read the reply, looked at your username and started giggling.)
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 23, 2019 2:25:04 GMT -5
Maybe Cornette isn't bitter, but he can sure come across that way sometimes. What does he have to be bitter about? He's apparently set financially (heard a recent podcast where he asked folks to stop sending orders for merch because of a temporary backlog in shipping the items) and gets exposure through his podcasts and other media posts. His opinions are controversial and disliked intensely by a small segment of the wrestling fanbase, but that doesn't make him bitter; hell for all we know he could just be working for his own amusement. Yeah, I wouldn't call Cornette bitter. He's more "passionate" about what is and is not wrestling to him. The problem is Cornette's anger causes him to go overboard like using the term "butterface" or the Sonny Kiss stuff.
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Post by bitteroldman on Sept 23, 2019 6:42:16 GMT -5
What does he have to be bitter about? He's apparently set financially (heard a recent podcast where he asked folks to stop sending orders for merch because of a temporary backlog in shipping the items) and gets exposure through his podcasts and other media posts. His opinions are controversial and disliked intensely by a small segment of the wrestling fanbase, but that doesn't make him bitter; hell for all we know he could just be working for his own amusement. Yeah, I wouldn't call Cornette bitter. He's more "passionate" about what is and is not wrestling to him. The problem is Cornette's anger causes him to go overboard like using the term "butterface" or the Sonny Kiss stuff. I'll just say this in Cornette's defense, AEW did Sunny Kiss no favors by not explaining exoticos. The only spot Kiss did of major importance was basically having Tommy Dreamer go ass to mouth on him. No explanation, just Dreamer once again showing that he's willing to put damn near anything in his mouth.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 23, 2019 6:56:17 GMT -5
Vince McMahon The guy owns the majority of pro wrestling and won the wrestling ratings war of the 90s. He still can't get over himself and give the fans what they want. The invasion storyline is proof of that. He rushed it and made sure the WWE side came out on top. That could have been one of the greatest storylines in wrestling. I don't think we know nearly enough about Vince to say he's bitter or not. I actually highly doubt he is bitter. Crazy? Absolutely, but not bitter. As for not giving fans what they want, what fans want changes day by day, you can't give them everything they want, it's not possible. But at the same time, fans wanted Becky Lynch to main event Wrestlemania. Fans wanted Kofi to win the title at Wrestlemania. Fans wanted AJ styles to be taken seriously as a main event level talent. Vince gave us that. It might take a lot, but he does give the fans what they want in the end often. As for the Invasion, of course WWE was going to come out on top of it in the end. It'd be pretty stupid to end that angle with WCW winning and basically saying "Yeah WCW was always really better than WWE." My thing with Vince (and the WWE as a whole) is this: Do I still enjoy most of what I see? As long as the answer is "yes", then we're good. As far as the Invasion goes, the end result *should* have been the WWF winning, it's how they got there that was idiotic. Too many nonsensical turns and swerves for the sake of it. NOT getting their hands on/ponying up for some of the bigger names (many of them were brought in a mere couple of months after the end of the Invasion storyline). If done right, the end of the Invasion could have been Mania 18. The reason it took place at Survivor Series is that they botched the holy shit out of it to the point where they had to put it out of its misery
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Post by PTBartman on Sept 23, 2019 7:13:06 GMT -5
There's a whole thread opining on Cornette's attitude problems and while I broadly agree with the sentiment that he's playing some shock jock character to keep interest in his podcasts and shoots, his anger at the current product is real and like many of his generation/background manages to be both a bully and a snowflake at the same time and in there not deeply buried is some genuine sadness and anger that so few contemporary wrestlers respect him. With Prichard, Jarrett and Bischoff back in the fold at titan towers and several WCW alumni getting backstage work for AEW every time the phone rings at Jim's house he probably explodes with excitement only to deflatedly put it down 5 minutes later having given a hapless telesales employee a piece of his mind. That’s an unfair statement. He is self-aware enough to know he can’t handle the pressure that is corporate wrestling. He has managed to make his podcasts and his online store a sustainable business without having to leave home. Cornette’s always struck me like that crazy old uncle that everybody puts up with because he’s family but you really dig cause he’s got all the dirt on your parents growing up, and no filter.
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Post by PTBartman on Sept 23, 2019 7:31:37 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it since I first saw this thread, and honestly, I think Rollins deserves a place in the conversation. The things he's said over the years, continues to say, and what he said in those texts that leaked with his nudes... maybe Becky will change his outlook, but if not, I call shotgun on nominating him when this topic comes up in 20 years. I think Rollins is a douche as much as the next guy, but I think his issues stem more from emotional immaturity rather than bitterness. The ego, the "I hate my life and my fiancee" leaked texts, viewing his best friend getting a job somewhere else as a betrayal - he's basically a 15 year old in a 30-something body. Hopefully being with Becky will give him some perspective. Anyway, my nomination is Al Snow. As was said, the guy just seems to hate the fact that he, by his own metrics, was a failure in the wrestling business, and is taking that out on modern fans and modern wrestlers. You think Rollins is bitter, you should talk to Ambrose’s raccoon. Boy talk about smack chirpin’ Dude actually expected to get signed with AEW too. With all he did, now Moxley, won’t even take his calls. And Vince let be known that he’d be arrested on sight if the caught him scrounging around.
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Post by Shark on Sept 23, 2019 14:57:22 GMT -5
I don't think we know nearly enough about Vince to say he's bitter or not. I actually highly doubt he is bitter. Crazy? Absolutely, but not bitter. As for not giving fans what they want, what fans want changes day by day, you can't give them everything they want, it's not possible. But at the same time, fans wanted Becky Lynch to main event Wrestlemania. Fans wanted Kofi to win the title at Wrestlemania. Fans wanted AJ styles to be taken seriously as a main event level talent. Vince gave us that. It might take a lot, but he does give the fans what they want in the end often. As for the Invasion, of course WWE was going to come out on top of it in the end. It'd be pretty stupid to end that angle with WCW winning and basically saying "Yeah WCW was always really better than WWE." My thing with Vince (and the WWE as a whole) is this: Do I still enjoy most of what I see? As long as the answer is "yes", then we're good. As far as the Invasion goes, the end result *should* have been the WWF winning, it's how they got there that was idiotic. Too many nonsensical turns and swerves for the sake of it. NOT getting their hands on/ponying up for some of the bigger names (many of them were brought in a mere couple of months after the end of the Invasion storyline). If done right, the end of the Invasion could have been Mania 18. The reason it took place at Survivor Series is that they botched the holy shit out of it to the point where they had to put it out of its misery 100% agree about the Invasion. I think the problem really is that it wasn't what WWE wanted to do at that point. They wanted to do separate rosters and eventually build to a crossover thing, but once Booker vs Bagwell bombed, which was an idiotic move in the first place but that's another story, they got desperate and went with the Invasion angle instead. It was booked so badly because it wasn't their first option.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 23, 2019 15:14:21 GMT -5
"Superstar" Billy Graham is one of the grumpiest people I've ever seen. He's also one of the biggest pieces of crap in (well at least previously involved) wrestling alive today, so I imagine those two things crossover.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 23, 2019 16:22:39 GMT -5
For a period of 3 or 4 years, I got to spend a decent amount of time around Ole once a year, and even managed to have dinner with him in Atlanta. I feel safe saying that he isn't bitter at all. He's incredibly blunt, doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks about it (or him) and is like my grandfather in that he'll give you shit, but if you give it back to him, that's when he starts to like you. I don't think he was any different than he was at the height of his success when the business was exactly the way he thought it should be.
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Post by edgestar on Sept 23, 2019 16:28:51 GMT -5
Bret Hart, though I wouldn't blame him for being bitter. Bret was very nice, when I met him.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 23, 2019 23:02:01 GMT -5
The answer is probably us, the fans, are the most bitter people involved in this business.
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